It can be done the way I want and still have good everything, but it is just a quextion so whatever.

Sorry for the post I gave in response Schem, I was sleepy and not paying attention.


Anywho, what I was asking was which style of resource collection are they planning on using. The typical one, or a more realistic and( given the contexted of the game) fitting way of convoys.


Back before they took the pics of the ships away, I thought i had seen a picture of a Vasarri transport, and the cruisers fo the TEC are modifications of Transport Hulls, so they already have the framework.


To answer your questions, you must first take into consideration that they plan to have large numbers of ships and debris in the game already therefore it is entirely possibly to add a few more ships to the game without there being much of a problem.


Before I answer, I would like to again point out that I have no knowledge of the dev teams' planned implimentation of the resource collection procsess, the only information I am using is the information given about other topics of this game, and what I would do if I were to impliment a collection process with transport fleets and the like.


1) To answer how one would keep a beachhead planet, there would be a few options:
-a. Bring with your attacking fleet a Construction ship and a few transport ships ladened with the necsessary materials for building an outpost. Make sure that in you initial bas construction you build a resource silo/warhouse,(for the storage of need materials) a depot( for the processing and distribution of the needed materials), and of course initiall defensive installations whatever they happen to be.
-b. Bring a construction ship( I would think that a construction ship would have some building mats with it, if not, bring some transport ships aswell) with your fleet, after colonizing the planet, begin the extraction with resource collectors, and use the resources to begin building a defensive outpost.
-c. A combination of the two.
-d. Bring a Badass no nonsense fleet to break out cans of ass whoopin when needed.

2 & 3) These two are pretty closely tied together, so I will answer them as one. The key to both, would be use only as many ships as neccessary and make sure that player built structures are used. By this, I mean that you would have your resourceing opt. going on say 6 of the 9 planets in a particular system( ranging from asteroid to planetary mining). You would have an on site HQ(like any mining opt.) that would serve as both the Directing station and prep-facility for the smaller transport ships( this building would give a small bonus to mining operations).

From there, the resources a picked up by a smaller transport ship(created by a shipyard, or at your System Recource Operations/Construct Center)(*1a) and taken to your SROCC( or whatever they would call it). At the system stations, the material is then added to your empires tally for that recource.

Now, should you want to Construct anything in the system, you would just select the building from your que and a little construction ship scurries out from the station to go build.

For the sake of keeping ship numbers down, this station would also be able to construct Intersolar Freighters(*2a) whos purpose whould be to either trade with other empires and for the re-allocation of materials to other SROCCs throughout your empire.

You would only need one major SROCC per system( again I dont know how many systems and the like so alteration to my idea may need additional tailoring) and one transport ship per mining operation. The only thing that would really take some looking at is how one would defend this and how many ships would some one would actually use. It can be done, but then again, if some one goes overboard then maybe not.

However, if everyone in the game has to pay a maintinance(sp) fee for all his/her ships out there, then slap some fees on and see whats what.


*1a. you can have more then one station of this type, and the mining opts. can set delivery points to any of them.*

*2a There could also be a IF(aa) for the TEC or perhaps the other races. This is an Armed&Armored varient of the standard Intersolar Frieghter designed to withstand light raid attempts. These would be noticably stronger but carry less and are much more expensive.*

Not at all, I would like them to actually carry the cargo, so that if an enemy fleet raids and say destroys these vessels, there will still be cargo containers that are undamaged and able to be recovered although you would want to capture the ship yourself. The whole point of that, would be to add another aspect of trading, and raiding, and make sure that there is no carelessness lest you run the risk of the price for being careless.

Well, now that I'm more informed (according to the PC Gamer preview) the resources are finite, so making sure they don't run out is a part of the game. Bad news for Total Annihilation fans, but apparently this opens up market manipulation strategies. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it works in the beta

Extractable resources being finite doesn't mean there isn't a way to keep going

My english to danish translater didnt know the word "finite" so ill guess it means limited.

True planets run out of resources, But that doesnt mean your stuck. Blair once told there is marketplace where you can trade all you want.

OMW, if they are finite, then that would make the storage, protection, and transportation of them all the more interesting to have in the game. Imagine if a player has a major convoy get ripped apart by a cloaked vasari fleet or something of that nature. That would be a huge blow to ones economy.



One easy work around would be to not have a ships pysically carry anbything, but upon its destruction generate a few cargo containers or something similar. It may be a little clunky, but it would be insanely fun. That is an efficient way to bleed an enemy dry. If that enemy wantes to defend its convoys, that means that they will be forced to increase escort number/quality. If this is done then most likely, they will leave planets a with a little lighter garrison or have weaker quick response fleets.

All you would have to do then is up the bounty, then wait for a planet to get weakened. Once tha happens, you attack.

as i said above. Theres a marketplace where you can trade for what you need.
If you got alot of cash, you could trade some of that into crystals or what ever
So i dont think you will get stuck.

Taxes from the population on your planets.

The more ppl on the planet = the more cash you get

Skirmish option to make resources infinite? - I like really long games...

I really like the idea of finite resources it ensures that you actually have to plan ahead and make sure that your fleets survive instead of just trading ships for ships until somebody's economy calls it quits.

I would like technology to make a difference in resource gathering.
I.e. 'That planet is full of resource we desperately need to manufacture pine scented bridge fresheners, but sadly it's surface temperature is 8000 deg C. But thanks to a breakthrough in full body oven mitts we are finally capable of harvesting them'

It's one of the aspects I don't like in glacis 2. You can't really hurt the other player’s economy by destroying ships, because he'll always be able to produce more.

Well I agree with you that it's not a nice Strategy, but you don't always have the luxury of choosing your enemies or be in a much stronger position than your current enemy. I like the idea of fighting enemies who a roughly my equal or withering down an enemy whilst i'm occupied elsewhere. Not every strategy has to be blitzkrieg nor does every strategy need to involvee definite win.

It's a game thats what makes it fun, doing things whichs arn't nessecarily smart and trying to win at any cost.
Some of the best games i've had where games that i've lost. I remeber one game of BOTF that was a downhill battle against the Borg for every player in the game. In the end I was the only one left.