I approve of this thread. However, balancing could be better.

Wow. The patch just came out today, and already people have fount balance issues? You guys work fast.....

It seems to me that the issues related to balance are quite moddable. Why don't people create mods to suit their taste and play those?

It is impossible to balance this game for the average fan and the pro at the same time.

Javaslinger

Thanks Smackmackerson!  These posts are a rare pleasure and do motivate us as much as any criticism

1.03 was nice, yes. But the chat system, I think, is widely agreed to be a step back. =P

And how are you supposed to figure out who is higher level and who isn't? I'm always playing against the AI daily since, in general, I dislike online play against idiots...er, I mean other people. That doesn't mean I'm not good or that I'm bad. I'm also just starting to look at modding for this game. None of this would be known unless I came out and told you. I don't see how you can effectively distinguish between more involved and less involved players without getting to know tons of people to figure out who will give the best criticism and praise. Some of the higher level people give terrible feedback like "it sucks because it crashes" while other people you know little about will dig into the log files and editor to specifically find that "it crashes when I go here, but not when I'm here, so maybe there's something with a culling radius that's causing the crash in this area" (this really happened with a UT3 map I built 2 months ago; all the regulars gave terrible input and then someone came along with exactly what I needed). Not everyone's feedback is the same and it's very difficult to predict who delivers what.


I honestly don't agree with this. They should make the game the way they want to play it and just make small tweaks once the public gets its hands on it. The best games are the ones the developers want to play. If they play it then you get a solid experience (Drakan) as opposed to a fractured buggy mishmash (Unreal Tournament 3).

@ ZJBDragon

Uhh...I think you mis-read my post. I'm agreeing with you....lol

When I said "listen to everyone's experience equally...." I was disagreeing with innociv (which I think you are doing as well) and then I went on to say "the devs should stay true to their ideals for the game..."   

.... same page methinks!


the Monk

I like 1.03 as well. I also agree that the chat system should not have lost functionality. It should have the new commands as well as the old colors and target sticking. But no doubt, this product is phenomenal and will only get better.

As for balance, people want balance, but they also don't want the sides to be cookie cutters of each other. I think the game has many different strategies to employ for victory, and every strategy seems to have a counter -- though some strategies are harder to implement, and some are harder to counter.

Yeah need more balancing work. They should talk to the higher level players about it, not reactor to newbie whine threads.
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This attitude will pretty much kill the game and the company. Sorry, but Stardock made the right decision when deciding to cater to the casual player instead of the protournament goon. This is the philosophy that worked in GalCiv2,it'll work here two.

Nice try though, trying to get your way, how about you save us a lot of time and just spam "Listen only to me!" on every forum. Seeing you crow about yourself in every thread is really tiresome.

I totally agree with you TarlSS
Making the game for the 99% of us casual players just makes sense.

You seem to have missed some things.

IC started supporting the game the moment it went gold (shipped to CD makers). They released 3 patches in little over a month for a game that shipped with few bugs.
IC watches the forums very closely and listens to the players ideas.
IC released a early form of the modding tools before they stated that the complete version would be available because people wanted them so much.
IC has stated that they are going to make a demo for the game, release the final modding tools, do a v1.04 patch AND make a expansion in about a years time.

SD has very little or nothing to do with the patches and content updates apart from the final leg of testing. IC also only has 9 employees.


Where in your mind did you come up with the idea of IC/SD (they make money if IC makes money) not caring about the people who already bought the game? Esspicallywith a expansion pack coming up.

I love this post and totally agree with it. Most feedback players give (in my experiences) is something along the lines of: "Its broken. So fix it!" Ok.... How? What's wrong with it? What needs to be fixed/changed/modded and why?

I'm not saying any particular group or another says this because I think its from every gaming "class". In my opinion though I think you hear about it more from more experienced players because "noobs" may feel they don't know enough to make any real arguments. But who knows. That's the way I approach it though. If I don't have enough experience or information on what's bad/good I don't make any suggestions because they would be pointless.