Without some sort of 'saving' options, i doubt i'll ever bother using these. Chicken_or the_Egg.

I'd need *another* tab, too; Research Governor!

Imagine listing all the techs and being able to develop patterns for strategic pathways; focus on defense, diplomacy, science, speed, etc.

The economy is a bit different than in DA.  Lots of the buildings cost more maintenance, so you need to place less money-sucking buildings (or demolish some of the ones you already have).  Use the asteroids where possible to avoid building so many factories.  Ensure theat your colonies have the best population, by building transports (a coloniser with an extra colony module, or a proper troop transport) to move excess population where it's needed.  Research better economy buildings and cost-efficient labs/factories.

If you have created a decent military, extortion works too.

I've played and won games under Twilight - this isn't just differences in maintenance - Take a class 20+ planet, put a colony, a star port, four traditional factories, a farm, a recruiting center, and spam the rest with economic building - total 'profit' at 8-12 billion people? between 10 and 20 bc (12 was the number I remembered). I can't get any speciaized worlds going at all, and like I said, when I hit a recession I went down so fast it was simply unplayable.

Before I hit recession I was on year 4 or five - My homeworlds population would not go above about 13 to 14 billion, because the morale would go into 'losing population' territory'  - by the time my taxes are high enough for me to break even financially, the morale is below the break even point and I am *losing* population.

I considered the possibility that it might be my working with an unfamiliar tech tree (I wanted the Psilons to try out the Altarian tree), but like I said, it seems to be hitting the AI's as well - I was below average on economy (70-80), but other than the Krynn (We got hit by the agent event - the Krynn recovered first, go fig - {G}) , nobody else seemed to be just jumping out like gangbusters either.

If I'm not doing something ridiculously stupid (And given the AI's, I honestly don't think I am), then I'm not sure if it's the tax base, economics, or morale, but *something* has gone very off kilter.

Jonnan

Edit: If no one else is experiencing this, I suppose I should ask - Is it possible I have a bad install?

In several minutes of testing (I'll do it more thoroughly later, but GCII is angering me at the moment, with regards to something else), I'm not noticing a morale difference from DA to TA.

I am, however, noticing a civ capital difference-from 40% in DA to 25% in TA.  I could have sworn TA was at 40% as well, and I'll be uninstalling the beta and installing 1.96 in a minute here to check.  There's also the fact that TA colonies are 10% morale as opposed to DA's 5%, in addition to TA's colonies only sucking down 10 maintenance a piece instead of 12 on initial colonies, but those should both be changes in your economic favor.

If you're researching at 100% funding, though, you've got an extra 4 research per colony (but not the homeworld) [you also have 2 less industry but that's not relevant for our purposes], which would more than cancel out the decreased colony maintenance...as would having anything actually built on them.

Interestingly, my homeworld produces slightly more income in TA than in DA-apparently due to the civ capital now giving a 10% planetary economic bonus.  Normal colonies, however, produce the exact same amount of money as in DA 1.80g.

And once again Silverbeacher beats me to a reply.  Hopefully you can still glean something useful from it.

Well, I'm confused - Like I said, I just got off a 1.96 game of TA where I wiping the floor with the game (On my wussy 'normal' level of play) and on 1.99 I can't even get past 65% production.

At this point - I have to think some file just didn't upgrade quite right and it's having a weird interaction that killing the economy or morale, because it *never* takes me three years to get my economy going - I'd be dead if I did.

Sucks to be me - a reinstall it is then!

Jonnan

I have a crash everytime when I try to play a game ).

I get the main menu, select new game, go through the setup and after hitting next to begin I crash.

Running windows Vista ultimate, Nvidia gfx, sb card, on AMD Duel Core cpu.

I confess I hadn't thought of it as a possibility, but it's been several games like this and the tech's not an option on my tech window - But Terakris has yet to *see* 13 billion people this game, (about 2 years in on this game) - the morale hits <40% too fast.

Before reinstalling I decided to try "One More Game" just to see if I *could* get a viable empire running despite the load stone economy and I did I research up to the 10% population boost technology for the advantage that gave me - that's what the disease cure springs off of IIRC - I presume that's true in the Altarian tech tree as well? Could a game *start* with that disease in play? My stat's screen shows percentages for everything, I presume it would show them zeroed out? (Had it once, researched ASAP, don't recall much about it)

I actually *am* making a go of it - mostly by making ultralarge colony ships and making sure that any planet at 8billion is shifting population to smaller planets over time, though I'm running from 7-10 among the empires in the stats range.

The *really* sucky thing is, for the first time, I was forced to either take the evil option or bankrupt my empire, and when I researched ethics it had shifted me to a point where I could only choose neutral or evil (Which I don't get - it was once out of 12-15 decisions, mostly good aligned, and the evil option wasn't even that good. Selling food at a profit and not going bankrupt = Evil?) - 10,000 cost to pick good. So I'm not even going to get to see the Altarian Techs I wanted to try.

RAH - 'Starship Troopers' - "Shucks and other comments."

Now that I'm resigned to the fact that it *is* my system and not an actual game bug, I confess I wouldn't want to play like this often, but it's not entirely un fun - J'nan will go down in Psilon History. Of course, unless I can get my tech up (I'm not *used* to being behind the tech curve dammit!), it's because I'm going to die a horrid death living in squalor and reviled by my people for the next ten generations, but it's *history* dammit - {G}. If I lose here and a reinstall doesn't fix it, I'll start whimpering and whining then.

Jonnan

That's something you want to get the debugg.err for, a Smart Exception log and a zipped save game to send in.  I think I've seen some other people having issues with the DL showing up...even prior to this beta.

Ok so I was hapily playing my game. It was sometime before the year 2234. I built a custom ship with a medium scale hull and basic weapons and defence. Saved it as a ship and a template. A few turns later, my medium ship capacity went from 52 to 48, and my new ship disapeared off the ship build list, while the template stayed intact. To add insult to injury, my total logistics points went from 10 to 0, and my fleets disapeared off the map.

So I guess I'll revert to the previous version of the working game and try playing that from the start again.

I am deep in a TA 1.99rc game.  A colony arrives, I land and get ready to apply my planetery build govenor. Suddenly, before I can do that, the game "moves on" and gives me other news reports, survey results, etc. It seems like the game is not put on "hold" while you are in the planet details screen. This is very annoying. You then have to remember where u were and go back to that planet and try to apply a govenor from the planet detail again.

Anyone else having that issue?

Well I have nearly done my 1st game and so far ....

I like the changes with the spys, I use to not bother with them now I am giving them a try.

I like how the station are done now with the constructors. Eliminated a hole lot of clicking.

problem when I click the turn button and one of my troops invande a planet and wins the game seems to just sits there and not continue.

problem when I click the turn button and ships move to a point the game seems to pause there untill I tell the ship to do something like gard. Then the game cont.

I got the memory error again. I wish that would go away, but I don't think it is the games fault. I get it with other games as well. 

sorry about the spelling. cheers.

Okay I haven't seen this listed older bugs that have come back up.

I can talk to all the civs right away even though I haven't met any of them,  Minor races show correctly only when I meet them.

races don't seem to be in a hurry to go after the assension crystals?  I played on a tiny map and collected all 5 assension crystals accross the map before they even begain looking at them.

Random event feature seems to be directly linked to extreme planet feature.  When I select a lot of extreme planets and many random events I seem to get random events every few years.  When I select few extreme planets random events seem to be a lot more spread out.

Odd Bug/Cheat - probably worked before 1.99, but I wasn't aware of it - I had a planet outside the range of my 'large' colony ships, but had one near the edge of it's range, upgraded to the default model, and to my surprise it worked.

The system will happily let you 'upgrade' a colony ship with 'X' number of colony pods on it to a smaller faster colony ship that should have less people on it - but plants the original number of colonists on the upgraded ship/colony.

The ideal fix would be that you can only upgrade to a colony ship with space sufficient for the passengers. Alternatively, you could tell them to hold their breath ("Drengin Colonization Lines - if you survive the trip, you'll damn well survive the destination!") and dump them into space, but as it stands it's a it's a sadly viable cheat, and I'll bet dollars to donuts it works with troop transports too.

Also - I had never actually looked at the Ship design cheat until I got into a war this last game - I can generally avoid combat unil late game but we had one of those "Everybody declares war in one turn" deals, I'm pretty sure Germany invaded France back on Earth, just on general principles - and after figuring out how much better the default designes were doing than my own and looking at it - it really is a rather atrocious bug that needs corrected.

Jonnan