No, I think we should use government force to discriminate against Jedis.
No thanks.
ALDERIC POSTS: 10It is pretty much saying that we as a nation, and/or as a government trust in God. That's just not true, and that, in my opinion, is too damn close to favoring a specific religion.
I agree.."In God we trust" means we are placing our government, our nation and it's people under His care. A very, very good thing in my view. In God we trust means that we recognize this land, this flag, and our government as a gift from God to be used for His purposes. It means we didn't become the land of the free and home of the brave by blind faith or a happy set of circumstances, rather, it was a wise and loving God hovering over us from the very hour of our nation's conception. It means that Christopher Columbus, under direction of the Holy Spirit, diecovered this land, and took a cross in his own hands, planted it in the soil fell upon his knees, and took possession of this land for God. It means that our Founding Fathers established this land upon "the laws of nature and the laws of nature's God" (Bill of Rights).
The Founding Fathers warned that our Constitution was good only so long as the Lord is our God. The second verse of the National Anthem so proudly sung reads, "Blessed with victory and peace my this heaven rescued land praise the Power that hath made a preserved ua a nation. Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto, "In God be our Trust". And the Star Spangled Banner, in triumpth shall wave, o're the land of the free and the home of the brave."
So, it was true from the time of America's founding through the 1960s when the sexual and cultural war began...from then on, secular and atheistic humanists have led a campaign to eliminate the Christian religion, ethos, and morality from government and the public square.
Following the radicals of the French Revolution who were the first to demand that religion be removed from the state, they started undermining America's religious foundation by having prayer removed from school in 1963 by judiciary fiat.
1. Oddly enough, I believe the judges that made the first supreme court case ruling on prayer were all of Christian/Judaic faith. I'm assuming they weren't following the word or way of God, correct? It's the same with the other ruling when it comes to faiths (in the justices faiths)
2. I don't see it as eliminating the Christian faith, seriously. Just as you don't want Atheism or secularism pushed down your throat, neither do they. Surely you understand that desire?
It's comments like these that scare me. (Figuratively/metaphorically) God help us if we get someone in office in the future with as much zeal, we're all doomed. In a way, it feels like it could end up being the Christian "antichrist" so to speak. Making everyone pretty much live in a Christian nation.
*sniff* *sniff*
I smell Christian persecution complex...
~Zoo
I agree.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion(1), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof(2); or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
1 - It implies pretty darn well that any law that respects any religion - is unconstitutional. To me, that also implies that any official claim of a religion is the same.
2 - It states the right to free excersize of any religion, which logically would imply the right to not practice.
I agree with #2 but not #1.
The problem is most young people today have not been taught correct U.S. History......and are voting with thoughts of revisionist history running thru their heads as taught by the government schools.
Our first Chief Justice of the United States appointed by George Washington was John Jay. He said on Feb 28, 1797 in a letter:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers. And it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
Wow! Not only did our very first Justice say we were a Christian nation but that we are to prefer Christians as rulers. We don't have that today and look at the mess we are in. Coincidence? I think not. Why do you think over the last so many years it's been imperative that these men in office go to church (like Obama) even when it's clear they are NOT Christians? Because of history.
Now Obama just recently said (and its all over the news) to the Turks that we are NOT a Christian nation. While I agree with that now, how did we get here? That's not what Jay or any of our founders thought of our nation. They all wrote about our Nation as one under God. We were once upon a time a Christian nation and it's very very evident by our Founding Father's writings. And as a Christian, I believe that's why we have been so blessed and are now losing that blessing.
George Washington in his farewell address said this:
"Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
Now, is it any wonder we have so much corruption from the White House on down? How's morality working for us these days?
Consider this and test it for yourself.
Go and get a picture (a classic) of the Signers of the Declaration. There were 56 signers. Point out how many you can recognize. My guess? Two. Yep two out of 56....maybe three or four if you're really bright. The two? Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. You know why? Because you've been conditioned (government schools) to only recognize those two who are the "least" religous of our founding fathers. Coincidence? I don't think so. Take the picture and ask your friends how many they can identify. If you're open minded enough. I dare you.
Do you think they (or you) could identify Minister John Witherspoon? How about Dr. Benjamin Rush who founded the First Bible Society? How about Francis Hopkinson who was a Choir Leader and produced the first American Hymn book in 1767? How about Thomas McKeen who was a legal expert and Govenor of Delaware and PA? He was also the Chief Justice of PA. Ever hear of him? He wrote the first legal commentary on the Constitution of the U.S. and his decisions we can still read today.
He wrote a case against a John Roberts for treason. When he gave the verdict and sentenced this man to death he said: "You have very few days left. You need to make peace with your maker."
So what is this? An atheist giving an altar call in court?
How about Roger Sherman, Abraham Baldwin or John Dickerson? Ever hear of them? They were major theologians, minsters of the gosepl and were also signers.
Did you know the American Bible Society was started by two Atheistic Founding Fathers?......NOT! Did you know that our founders started what we now know is Sunday School and the American Sunday School Union? Did you kow that Frances Scott Key was President of this Uniton for 40 years?
Did you know that the American Tract Society (bible tracts) were started by our founding fathers. We still benefit from these today but most don't know where they came from.
Did you know in our Records of Congress that in 1774 our first Congress opened in prayer? It was so significant and so serious (why do you think our Country has been so blessed?) that a painting was done to recapture this moment. Did you know this prayer lasted three hours?
I didn't know atheists prayed that long.
No, what we've been seeing (and its moving rapidly) is the secularization of our nation. I know exactly where we are heading and have been preaching this for years way before it was even on the radar. We are heading for a one world government and a one world religion.
We will still have our Baptists, Mormons, Methodists, Muslims, Jews, etc....all under one head or authority. The government. The ones who will be in trouble will be the Jews and the biblical Christians who will not submit to the government authorities when it comes to morality and biblical principles. That's why there is such a clash between the Christians and the whole homosexual issue right now. The churches will eventuallyl not be able to discriminate or discipline and will have to adhere to government authorities instead of biblical authority if they wish to remain open. Most likely what will happen first is their tax exempt status will be taken away. The tax laws are already being set up to go in that direction as we speak. But then it's going to get worse and while the churches above ground will be filled with "so-called" Christains, the genuine bible believers will go underground. They will have no choice. It's either obey God or man.
And that's exactly why our country was founded in the first place.
We have gone almost full circle and I'm sure our founding fathers if they could see what we've done would not be happy.
That's all well and good KFC, but just because they were of a faith, doesn't mean that they didn't want a nation that was secular. If you look at their (founding fathers), they've asserted time and time again the need for a secular American government, because they were aware enough to know that the nation was not comprised of just Christians. There were Jews, and I believe a small bunch of Muslims.
Remember the saying - Actions speak louder than words? - or - You can judge a man/people by his/their actions? To me, while they may have been of a faith (Deist in fact, from my own personal interpretations.), their actions were that of a people that were wise enough, and intelligent enough to know what the future may have held. They, through their actions, chose to establish a secular government. Period. End of story.
:le sigh:
One persons so called revisionist history is another's factual history; I hate politics.
I'm not Christian, but I think the saying should stay. Last I checked, the US was supposed to be a Democracy (it's supposed to be...it may not be anymore, but that's a different discussion). With a Democracy, majority rules. Christians are the majority when it comes to religion in the US.
The US may well be a Democracy, but being a Democracy does not mean that the majority rules by tyrrany. There are checks and balances in place, and in a Democracy there is expected to be responsible governing, which would entail minority (party, opinion, et al.) rights. Just because there's a majority doesn't mean that the majority is the only opinion that counts, this is after all, a representative democracy - everyone's opinion is supposed to count.
~Alderic