my personall opinion on the robot's origin is that after their maker died the robots went dormant and started to decay physically untill the advent expelled from thier home planet happened across this technological gem and sacked what they thought looked like it might help them to thier technological goals and left hoping to find more planets like this. (they didn't stay because the atmosphere was toxic and all the junk made it hard to build) When the Advent started to leave the robots woke up and recognizing that the advent were biological hoped they were thier makers returned to life and were quite pissed to find not only were these people not thier makers but they had sacked most of the research centers and were about to leave. So the robots in this agravated state took the advent shuttles that were still on the planet and tried to pursue them but unable to leave the gravity well in these shuttles they had to make a shipyard and ships which took them awhile to do. After the robots built a small fleet they started tracking the advent to guess where the war that sins of a solar empire is set in. Knowing that they had to quickly adapt to these hostile races they started industrializing planets so they could make a bigger fleet

some troop ideas i have are 

The Ripper

rippers would have no guns. they would have little health and no shield. they would be faster than any other ship and able to reverse direction instanly. What rippers would do is to fly up to an enemy ship and rip a gun off. After they have taken the gun they will go to the nearest of your ships and mount the gun on it. (this does not include other rippers) these ships would resemble Squidys from the Matrix

The Salvagers

there would be both a frigate and a cruiser variant of this. These would not start with wepons but can have them mounted on by Rippers. These ships would collect junk from your planets atmosphere and carry it into battle and be capable of repairing your ships with the junk in its cargo hold and be able to gather limited amounts of debris. they would also have the ability to egect their cargo if near one of your planets it would help replenish the junk field. If ejected in an enemy system it would create a ring of junk that they would not be able to build in. if they eject thier junk in the middle of alot of ships they will damage of all the ships nearby (including other robot ships)

and for a building

a ship altering station (haven't got a name for it)

you would set it into one of several modes. Such as adding new guns to near by ships or adding armor or engiene speed ect. Every ship could only be upgraded once per centre. You would be able to increase the number of different types of upgrades, the speed of upgrades, the quality of upgrades, and the number of upgrades each ship can have with reaserch

they dont?

i wasnt talking about robots... what do robots have to do with a transport lab experiment gone wrong?

i was simply giving another idea that fits into existing lore, hopefully one that sounds pretty good.

i mean, ships from hell... you wouldnt run from that?

that would be a good idea

THATS IT!

thanks, that was bugging the hell out of me

so does anyone think itll be a good idea?

if anyone is intrested in my ripper idea i just want to say i agree that rippers should be like strike craft that the salvagers are swarmed by rippers that are the size of strike craft

i also had an idea for defensive rippers. these rippers would be about half the size of most frigates. they would initially cost very little and take 1 tactitcal slot. you would only build 1 defensive ripper at a time but each defensive ripper would passivley take some of your junk and make more of themselves and turn into a swarm. the swarm would attatck the same ship all at once. Defensive rippers would (unlike thier smaller counterparts) would be able to attach 1 or 2 salvaged wepons to each other.so not only do they grow more numerous over time they also gain power every time an assult on that planet is repelled 

there should also be a ship able to incorporate space junk into new ships using their tech (very weak ships, no sheilds, but large swarms come out of big battles). also (i take no credit saw in another post) they should only have sublight engines. but maby some way other than phase jump (uses a lot of energy) to get back and forth from star systems, maby like supergates in stargate? but they have to go very slowly to be able for the vasari to be able to set up shop without getting overrun.

no man (or robot) should be messing with Hell.  Hell is a horrible place, i dont want to play a game that glorifies a place designed for the damned.

1) im not talking about robots im saying, just like in the movie "Event Horizon", the Vasari were researching ultrafast interstellar travel, and the shit hit the fan

2) No one was messing with Hell, it was an unpredictable side effect (or unavoidable fact, who knows)

3) No one is glorifying hell, where did you even come up with that?

4) if it makes you feel better, we can swap out hell for some other weird dimension where demons exist, or some other form of life that will emulate the desired effect. To be honest though, its all semantics.

5) and most important, ITS A GAME! no one is glorifying hell, and we arent actually bringing forth demons from hell to play act in our game. if you cant be mature enough to get over silly bedtime stories, well, im sorry

let me put it in bold for you

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT ROBOTS!!

i was simply giving an alternative idea. to be honest, the most frightening robotic enemy ive ever heard of is Stargate Replicators... i cant picture I,Robot style robots as being all that terrifying.

and that IS what we are going for here... Terror... this thing wiped out what could possibly be the most advanced and powerful empire in our galaxy, without breaking a sweat... and now its coming after you... fear much?

now, like i said, it does not have to be hell persay (though its all semantics, who cares what you call it, its a description) but like i said, it could be some alternate dimension with creatures who could provide the desired effect, similar to what might happen if one accidentally opened a door to hell.

id also ask you not to speak on other peoples behalf assuming they have the same mentality as you. I was just on another thread in the misc section where someone was complaining about 'blasphemous' fail pictures... most of the people were in that thread and a number of them were telling the pious one to chill out and get a sense of humour. id advise you to do the same.

i think your position stems from the fact that Christianity (all religion in fact) teaches you to fear hell. honestly, i think teaching fear is stupid and wrong, but thats just me, you can respect hell, as i do, but to be so afraid of it as to not want it in a video game or anything so you can maintain your blisful ignorance.....

anyway, like i said, i dont want to get into a religious debate here with you. Fine, so lets say scrap hell, honestly, its just lore. just a story. it doesnt even come into the game itself, when you are playing you dont think, oh, hey, look, they brought Hitler out for a spin... (im Jewish so i take that very seriously). all it is is lore and backstory. same thing goes with Robots and the existing three races... you never see the races themselves... for all we know, it could be cute, fluffy, little pink and blue easter bunnies chasing the Vasari (which, i would laugh my balls of at) as long as the ships and tech are balanced with appropriate weaknesses and strengths, it doesnt even matter.

but, if you want to bring religion into a GAME, fine, let me ask you, the bible said God created humans and life on Earth ONLY right? as in he didnt create any life anywhere else? so what about the vasari? isnt that against scripture? or the advent, im sure the did some freaky experiments, thats not offensive to you? in the spirit of progress, like ive said a million times, it doesnt have to e hell, it can be something, anything else, that emulates the same effect, but honestly, its a game, get over it.

i wasnt trying to bring religion into this (although i am Christian), sorry that you thought so.  Here, I'll chill a bit more if you (or anybody) will not bring my faith into this...

now, lets get off this topic, it is stupid not talking about what this thread is about--Robots.  Yes, having a fleet of Vasari-destroying robots would be frightening, but they need to have a reason to be frightening. If we could agree on a complete summary for these guys, then i could talk to the devs about putting them in.

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well to get back on topic to balance it out the "junk feild" around a planet would slow the population grouth but gives the planets new owner a steady income as they salvage the junk field and get the crap out of it

the rippers would have 50-100 hp max and would be unable to do very much if any thing to shields

yes the robots could swarm but EVERYTHING they have would be very weak on it's own

they lose all the recources that planet had since each planet has a personal econmy

so they are not imba just very different

well, how would the other factions use the junk fields?  everything must have a purpose for all factions