OK heres some artillery.

ARTILLERY:

1)SAM(AIR TO GROUND rockets)

2)Type 98 MBT-This main tank has a 125mm smoothbore gun , and to save money it doesn't have a autoloader it has a 4th crew member(instead of the normal 3) to load them manuly so shorter rate of fire.

3The only other tank is the Type 63 amphibious light tank- Trmned with a 85 mm rifled gun and a secandary mounted 7.62mm Machine Gun(note:completly expoing the gunner)or a 12mm aa gun. for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_63_light_tank

4)DF-21 IRBM-mobile missle launcher.

are these ok to?

Sybertronic.

Well then, thank you.

Sibertronic, those look like good ideas, i'll have to look into them.

Here is another prototype story that I came up with today during a moment of boredom. It tells how the war began.

The 2012 U.S. presidential election was won by a man named Roy Bloomington. Roy was a cold war era better-dead-than-red anti-communist, who saw China as a threat to the entire western world. He did whatever he could to oppose them. In 2014, Taiwan, emboldened by their new support, attempted to make themselves independent. China respoded with military force, just as they said they would. President Roy saw this as an attack on democracy and attempted to rally NATO against the Chinese "threat", but NATO didn't want to get tangled up in that. Disgusted, Roy declared that the U.S. would be leaving NATO. He then declared war on China, and promised to bring "burning American justice" down upon the "godless-soviet-wannabe-dragon-obsessed-commies." In an attempt to stop him, NATO decided to take a stand against the U.S., although countries in close proximity to the United States, such as Mexico, opted to stay out of the fighting.

I have had the idea that the game would have a day-night cycle, with each minute being equivalent to an hour. Nightfall would reduce visibility, but offer saftey to things like B-2 missions. I also thought that the way to make money by an allowance would be based on how the war was seen back home. A low approval rating means less money, hile a higher rating means more. This could also bbe used as a way to keep people from overusing weapons of mass destruction. Striking first with WMDs would cause your approval rating to plummet, but your enemy would be able to retaliate without losing any approval.

I also came up with some silly unit quotes:

F-22 - selecting unit: "No one comes close.", "whats up?" - attacking: "ownzord", "should I kill him with my awesomeness rays?" - under attack: "This isn't supposed to happen!", "Who does he think he is, Chuck Norris?" - being shot down: "Haaaaaaaaacks!!!!!!! *kaboom*

Ohio-class submarine - launching first strike nuke: "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." - launching retaliation nuke: "Vengance!"

B-2 - attacking at night: "Silent death." - being sent somewhere during the day: "Are you insane!?", "We are going to die."

Is it strange that I always think of the B-2 pilot as a woman?

Samurye.

I like your story a lot, I think i'll use that one. It will probably evolve a bit though, but it's a good plan.

Samuyre.

UPDATE: Some thoughts on the Arabic League:

Genetic testing of Mohammed's remains reveals his descendant, a young man named (insert name of Arabic League learder here). Through sweeping oratory and political maneuvering, (A-L Leader) is able to close the rift between Sunni and Shi'a and establish the New Caliphate. As the geopolitical situation between the US and China deteriorates, Muslim leaders and governments turn to the Caliphate for guidance. Thus, the Arabic League (I recommend changing it to "Islamic League" b/c such an organization would also include Indonesia, (possibly separatist) portions of India, and a large portion of Africa containing Sudan, Egypt, Somalia, and a lot of others. A full list of countries with large Islamic constituencies is available from Wikipedia. Not all of them would probably be involved, (I could see Turkey for instance being torn between the EU and the A(/I)L), but that is still a fairly large swath of the planet. A lot of them aren't THAT developed, but an influx of funding and aide from, say, Saudi Arabia or Dubai could make them a force to be reckoned with.

I can't see isreal still existing at this point. Since the Arabic/Islamic League is allied with the USA prior to the split, i don't think isreal would still be allied. if isreal was there without backing it would be conqured right away.

I would say that prior to the start of the game isreal had either fallen to the Arabic/Islamic League or was absorbed into it.

Also i have a few suggestions for game play. First off, i have played 2 games that had air craft in them, and both of them were annoying as hell. it was a micromanaging nighmare to control just a few planes while the zipped across my screen. it took everything i had just to get them to not fly directly over SAM sites and to get them to the target. and to get that far with them i had to ignore every other aspect of my army, and i was only using 3 planes.

So here is my idea, borrow the fleet concept from GC2. Stack like 10 planes into one "Fleet". Do the same for all units, besides naval ones. Warships are big enough that you wouldn't really need to cluster 5 battleships together. With infantry and such they would be broken down into squads with an officer leading, who could gain exp and give a bonus to his squad.

Alright, i got an idea for logistics. This is also going to take the places of resource gathering.

Instead of going out and harvesting resources and what not, you need to get "Supply" Supply can be gathered in 3 different ways, finding a stockpile of supplies, manufacturing, or delivery. On certian maps there will be armorys, depots, and other forms that contain supplies your army can use, but that can not be renewed.

Also, certian maps might contain factories, or farms that if captured provide a steady but small stream of supply. the reason why they would provide small amounts of supply is because they wouldn't be able to quickly make things, and 1 specific factory would only be able to produce 1 thing, say munitions. you would still need food, oil, armor, and othe things to keep your forces moving.

The other way is through delivery. Almost all maps while allow suppy to be trucked in. to create a supply convoy all you need to do is set up a loading pay on the side of an actual road (has to be on a road, not the middle of no where) as long as your loading dock is there trucks will come from outside of the map and drop of supply.

If there is a railroad and you capture the train station, supply can be sent through the tracks, railways give the greatest amount of supply but are the most vulnerable to enemy attack. you can also have supply brought in via airlift, the larger the airport the more supply that can be sent in. obviously if there is no airport on the map you will have to make a small runway which will get very little supply. If the map contains a seaport or dock you can have supply shipped in aslong as your in control of the docks. and finaly you can create helicopter landing pads and have helicopters bring in the supply.

Before i finish explaining Supply i am going to hit on how I think buildings and unit recruitment should work.

First off, units come in the same way supply does, so if you have no supply routes, then your not going to get any reinforcements.

They way i see buildings working is that instead of producing units they are more like the home for the units. so lets say a small barracks holds 2 squads of infantry. using the stacked fleet idea from GC2 your 2 squads could be 2 full sized squads of 20 soldiers each, of just 2 single infantry men. With your barracks up and running you can request your soldiers to be shipped in with the next batch of supply, however it is being sent. Obviously if your bringing in heavy tanks they wouldn't be able to come in on a helicopter and there would be limits to the amount of soldiers that could come in also. 100 soldiers aren't comming in on a airplane, but they could on a train.

When units are damaged they can return to their home building and regenerate, providing they are resciveing enough supply. Back to supply.

when the supply is being brought in it can be delayed or destroyed. helicopters and planes can be shot down, trucks and trains destroyed and so on. if the road the trucks use is mined your going to see a large delay as the trucks have to navigate past the mines and sometimes even get destroyed. the trains are vulnerable becuase their tracks can get destroyed, if you don't repair the tracks the train wont function. futhermore, after the supply gets brought onto the map it then needs to be transported to the buildings where your units are. so if your only supply point is a train station on the far left of the map and your forces are on the far right, your going to have problems.

Now for this to work there will have to be some kind of time system. i think some one said something like 1 minute being equal to 1 hour, so make it like every 4 minutes your units use up supply.

So lets say you have a barracks with 2 active squads, and you have a helicopter pad for supplies. every 4 minutes you need 2 supply for your infantry squads upkeep. you helicopter brings in 1 supply, but makes the trip every 2 hours. (the frequency of the trips is unique to each map. Being really deep in hostile territory means it takes longer for the trips) In this scenario, assuming your helicopters aren't getting shot down and that the supplies are getting to the barracks your going to be ok.

Now lets say your helicopter eats a RPG on its way in and crashes, your now short 1 supply. so you get to choose which squad gets the supply and the other squad takes a 10% decrease in stats. For each additional 4 minute block that it doesn't get its supplies it takes another 10% hit. back to this example, squad A misses its supplies and is now operationg at 90% efficency. next supply block your helicopter doesn't get shot down and you get all your supplies, so Squad A is back to 100%.

However lets say the helicopter goes down again. now your at 80% efficency. and the next helicopter gets show down, now your at 70%. finaly a helicopter gets through and squad A gets supply, they get one of the 10% losses back, so 70% + 10% = 80%. Squad A needs to get their supplies 2 more times in a row to get back to 100%.

Now lets say your helicopters are comming in easy now, your not loosing any supply anymore. so you build another barracks and call in another squad. you now have 3 squads that need 3 supply, but your hellicopters are only bringing in 2. one of your squads is going to take a hit. you can alternate and try to keep them even, or let 1 squad take it all. IF the squads rateing gets low enough and goes past its hardiness number, then the squad starves and dies. the hardiness number is different for each faction (I picture the arabic league forces being able to go pretty long with out enough supplies.) and the EXP level of the squads commander all factors in. So if the squad that hasn't gotten supply in a few days gets lower than 30% it dies.

BAck to the example again. you build another helicopter pad. so every supply cycle your using 3 supply and bringing in 4. You HQ can hold up to 3 extra units of supply. so the extra supply will be stored there, however any supply over the limit of 3 is wasted. if you build suppy depots you can hold more. So you have a stockpile of 3 extra supply in your hq, you have 4 more comming in every cycle, and your 2 barraks hold 3 squads and use 3 supply.

Gonna add something else here too.your units most spend atleast 6 minutes resting for every 24 minute "Day" every minute less they take a -5% penalty. no sleep at all gives them a -30 that stacks with other negatives. for every extra minute that they rest up to 10 minutes they get a +2.5% bonus. which also adds on to the negatives. by having your guys rest 10 minutes you can make up for the no supply penalty.

Lets say your soldiers are out and about. while they are away from base some bad guys sneak in and blow up one of your barraks. Now squad C is with out a home. You soldiers still need their rest but if you force them to rest with out a home. they take a flat -25% penalty, and that accumulates until they get into a home, so 2 nights spent homelss is -50%. your homelss soldiers can still get supply from the HQ but without their home with in 4 "days" they will be dead. if you can't get a new barracks up and running intime you can make a tent camp. tent camps wont remove any negatives from being homeless that the squad might have picked up, but it will prevent them from getting any more.

Your also going to use Tent camps on the front line where its not really possible to send the soldiers back and forth.

Also, you can intentionaly bring in more squads than you can house, or supply. if your scouts pick up a large enemy force moving towards you, you can bring in extra squads to help fight. IF there not given a home or supply they take the negatives like normal, but if you time it so they arrive right as the enemy comes in they will still be fresh. after you have beaten the enemy back you can send them back on the next supply shipment, after all if they die they loose their EXP, and each side in the war only has so many soldiers.

Well thats my idea.

PS. I am ultra tired right now so there is a chance that this idea might be alot stupider than i think.

OK heres some stuff for the chinese navy:

Navy:

1) Sovermenny class destroyer-It is armned with missles, counter rockets,130 mm guns,and a helipad for a helicoptor.

2)Type 093 nuclear sub-armned with anti ship russian designed torpedoes.

Sybertronic.

chinas air force.

Air Force:

1)Sukhoi Su-30-their main attack fighter.

2)Kamov Ka-27(helix)-anti sumburine helicopter.

3)SA 321 Super Frelon-heavy transport helicopter.

4)Nanchang q-5-ground attack plane.

Sybertronic.

I was thinking more along the lines that you wouldn't have alot of space to build a larger airport. I also want to keep the "Building" of structures to a minimum. Only really small and simple buildings can be built. like ammo dumps, supply depots, transport pays, trenches and such. IF you think about it in real life tearms, anything that can be build within 1 day.

IT doesn't really make alot of sense that in the middle of an offensive into the enemy lines your just going to take a break and build some buildings.

However, buildings that are already there can be converted to military use. a small apartment building can be converted into some barraks, a large retail store into a tank hanger, a garage into a repair pay, doctors office into a medical office, Radio broadcast center into a communications center, a weather station into a radar array. When you find these buildings you need to convert them into your base.

In the event that these buildings aren't on the map, you can have mobile versions brought in. the mobile version wont work as well as the perminate ones. Perhaps the perminate ones will give a bonus of like 5% to units.

Also on the buildings, if the building gets damaged it needs to be repaired, otherwise it wont be usable depending on the damage. if it gets too damaged it might not be able to be repaird by your current forces and then the building is effectivly dead. Also, unless the buildings is complelty blown to peices the building will still stay on the map as an obstical of sorts. Units can even hid in and take cover in the burnt out remains of buildings.

And finaly i have an idea for aircraft, atleast planes. Helicopters would need to return to thier hangers/landing pads to refule and rearm, but otherwise would work like most other units, besides the fact thay are flying.

As for planes, i suggest this. Have 2 different elevation levels. one is ground level and the other is plane level. when planes take off they stay on ground level why the gain alltitude. for this short time they are vulnerable to all enemy units. once they gain enough alltitude to be in the "Plane" Level they can only be attacked by other aircraft, or anti air fire. if you have a radar system set up, they would show up on that depending on the range of your radar. no mater how bad your radar is it will pick up enemy planes (Besides stealth craft) if they are over your base. if you don't have radar planes can visualy be seen when they are close by, providing its day time. if its night time they are almost imposible to spot without lots of searchlights. also if you have your own planes they can spot the enemy planes if they come close enough.

if you planes aren't detected, or they are but aren't shot down, bombers can fly over the enemy base and release the bombs and then head home. enemy forces will have like 5 seconds while the bombs are falling to take cover, then they explode. however fighters making straffing runs, or dive bombers most leave the "Plane" Level and come down to ground level. At this level there is no bomb delay, but the planes can get shot at by any machine guns. Technicaly all planes can stay out ground level if you want to avoid radar detection, but they are vulnerable down there. this is probably a bad idea with the large heavy bombers.

And one more thing, units garrisoned in buildings can be injured or killed if the bulding is attacked. if a fighter just makes a pass and sprays the building with bullets then your men are probably ok, might have some light injuries or 1-2 deaths. however if the building gets leveled by a bomber then almost every one inside is going to get killed. to conter this would be to place armor and have emergency shelters build into buldings.

I haven't played supreme commander, but i know the general idea. one of the things that have always sorta anoyed me in RTS was that the size of units scales really wierd. Some times heavy tanks are only slightly larger than infantry, and infanry are often the size of trees. I haven't played many newer RTS but in the old ones it was pretty common. look at Age of empires 1 and 2. a single ship produced at the docks was almost as large as the entire building, and these ships are supposed to have like over 100 people manning them, but they are only slightly larger than a single horse unit. Logicaly, a massive factory that produces tanks is going to have enough room to hold several hundreds of soldiers.

So idealy i would like to scale things better. A factory would be huge, and lots of people would be able to fit in it. Infact the factory itself could be considered part of the terrian.

And the reason why i said you wouldn't have room to do alot of buildings, is first because i envision the buildings being rather large, and second, because things would already be there. Plus unlike most RTS where you just slapping down a factory and some one comes over and builds it, well that doesn't really make sense. You need to get building supplies, and then the building needs energy, water, and all sorts of other things, that other RTS games ignore.

Realalisticly, you would have a hard time finding a stretch of land sutiable to build a factory on in the town you just invaded. plus the factory wouldn't get up and running in time to make any kind of difference. years latter in Iraq the USA is still having problems rebuilding the main infastructure. It takes time and isn't something that can be done inbetween enemy raids on your base.

And specificaly on the Airport, air fields would require an awfull lot of flat ground in a line. you could put some barracks or AA guns on the side of his and mountains, but not so much an air field.

Of course if you take over an airfield that is an entirly different situation. If you move into a city and take over the civilian international airports than your going to be bringing in tons of supply and extra troops.

I also would like to have realistic sizes for units, and the reason that I think that it would be possible to have large factories is because I want to make the terrain to scale to. Even a large factory is still fairly small compared to the land around it. I agree that building a structure should be more realistic. You would need power plants, water, food and all of those things. The only reason that I even consider creating structures is because they would only be used on big maps and in long, drawn out games. By long drawn out games, I mean that instead of the 1-10 day timespan of a normal game, time would be a bit compressed, and it would be as if you had had many years to plan and build. It would be like you were in a cold war rather than an onging conflict. As I said, there would be two gametypes. The kind of gameplay that you suggested would be the tactical gametype: the buildings are already there, and it is more of a matter of controling the high ground and keeping your enemy on the run. That would be the more realistic type. For those of us who wanted a more strategic approach at the cost of a bit of realism, there would be the strategic gaemtype: you have to build your buildings, placing them in strategic positions, create your units, and finally attack. The strategic gametype would be much less realistic, but it would also be the gametype where the most powerful units came into play: weapons of mass destruction, B-2 bombers, SLBMs, that kind of stuff would be much more common.

Samurye.

Barracks are actualy defined as such,

–noun Usually, barracks.

Barracks aren't used to train anyone, just mearlly people storage. Bassicaly a barracks consits of some beds, bathrooms and shower area, and maybe a small eating area. And since each Barracks holsd 2 squads by defualt, and each squad can contain 21 soldiers by default (20 "grunts" + 1 commander) a single small building is actualy holding 42 people.

Also, if you capture a skyscaper you could use it to store people, and your barracks can be upgraded to hold more, and certian factions would have greater capacity by default anyway. Side note tho, you really wouldn't want to use a skyscrapper to hold much of anything. Assuming the skyscrapper is filled and holds lets say 100 squads, thats 2100 people. and then a bomber comes by and blows it to kingdom come and now they are all dead.

Also i haven't thought about a skirmish mode. The way i envisioned the campaign didn't involved any unit production at all. each side would have a preset amount of each unit, and more would not be forthcomming.

USing my story sample from above, Task force bravo went rouge and attacked the Arabic League through the persian gulf. The forces they brought with them is all they have. They can get reinforcements from another allied fleet, but TF bravo is sorta surrounded, the closests allies are the EU forces fighting in and around turkey and greece. IF the devision of TF charlie that went neutral and is hidding indonesia comes to help then their forces would be added on.

Since the arabic League was caught off guard they don't have many forces there, however since they are fighting in their own territory they can reqruit millitia forces from their own people. But a millitia is only going to stall a regualar army, so while the millitia is teaming up with what ever Arabic League forces where there, the Arabic league will have to divert forces from somewhere else. however if they pull forces off their front with the EU, then they will be weaker there and the EU can choose to push in, or to divert forces to better battle the Eastern US forces in the UK ireland and iceland.

The amount of forces that each side has is for the most part set in stone at the begining of the campaign. This forces the player to be stratigic with the movement of forces, and it also makes retreats way more of a usefull response. Also it forces you to actualy think about what your doing. Sure grabbing 10,000 soldiers and just doing a mass charge right off the bat on the enemy's super fortified mountain top, might work. But your going to take massive looses. and if you do that often your going to find yourself further in the campaign with no infantry because you kept sending them on suicide charges. Instead consider surrounding their mountain and destroying the supply trasnports so they starve.