You way off the mark there bud. You only get close to truth with the metor, but even there you fall short of truely calling it.

yeah, sorry dude, can't share the same emotion as you stupidolphin

You do realize that it costs more to use deploy starbase function as Vasari than it does as TEC or Advent right?

Thanks for the feedback guys but please... list some reasons why what i am saying is wrong

Starbases need to be half as tough and should not be buildable in systems not under your control.  this is a hot fix suggestion until proper balance is worked out.

Also completely remove the asteroid ability for something less fleet wrecking with way less range.

Telling me that starbases are not broken, just "go round them" is completly stupid and avoiding the problem.. you must destroy them to take the planet!

Also, if force is not how they are suposed to be destroyed then how plz ?

Culture boosts your economy, adds the race-specific culture effect, and defends against enemy culture.

Returning Armada is quite useful, but it isn't endless free ships anymore.

Deflector Shield can only be on for a portion of the time and only reflects half/two-thirds damage depending on upgrade level. (Starbases can only have eight upgrades max.)

The Vasari SB also happens to be their anti-SB weapon.

Starbases are very, very expensive. You need a good-sized fleet to crack 'em. Anti-structure cruisers are great against them, but are also very fragile. Defend them. In particular, fighters mow 'em down. Also, bombers are awesome against SBs.

Advent SBs are particularly tough with the Mass Disorientation Meteor Control combo, and need to be approached with a plan.

Upload a replay of the TEC Safety Override not working. Works fine for most everybody.

never get close to a TEC starbase with this option in play

NEVER!

the infamous missile barrage as got nothing on this thing

Missile Barrage doesn't nuke yourself, though.

When they first released Starbases in the beta, I actually liked them better. They were way cheaper and with much less HP. Basically you could build them everywhere but never create a system that was so slid it couldn't budge. 

That changed though because beta testers wanted extreme fortresses instead. I much rather prefer the other way but other players didn't and that's how it goes!

Your other points I don't agree with.

allow me to make myself more clear.  My game is patched.  I tested this for the whole day.   I am very quick to learn games please do not treat me like an idiot when your solutions are invalid and extreme.

Upon finding an enemy has begun constructing a starbase I must now go and build 40 long range cruisers just to remove it from the system.. while his fleet just sit there and wait for me to do this.. NOT

Removing a Starbase can only be considered at the end game when you have silly reasources.

As it is now, the first person to build a starbase and block off large areas of planets wins (the dungeon keeper method)

1. bombers are not the answer to a starbase that can have soo many fighters that it can repel and destroy 20 cruiser carrier's worth of bombers... then send the fighters over to kill the crusier carriers.

Please note this is not even including fighter hangars in the test..so in a real game this is even more one sided.

2. long range weapons do not out range asteroids, only the TEC starbase can be out ranged, and this is why it is so un balanced.

Also i have tested the self destruct move 4 times now and it doesn't even damage fighters/bombers, let alone the massive fleet i put right next to it.

3. telling me starbases are "allowed" to be over powered due to their cost is stupid because they can definately kill way more money's worth of enemy ships then they cost even max upgraded.

4. allowing this to all be made infinitly worse by allowing cruiser and structure abilities to boost/repair starbases is insane.

5. Starbases clearly do not count as structures as the scout explosive ability cannot target them, but it says specifically it targets enemy structures. (tec scout frig)

6. although i respect sun tzu and have read his book "art of war" he is out dated and all his tactics are invalid when talking about modern/ futuristic warfare as his strategy heavily depnd on the stamina of human troops, not spaceships.

7. both of the crusiers designed to kill structures are too expensive and too "one trick pony" to be properly implemented in any adaptable tactics.

I would like to suggest that when a starbase is built, the building "ship" does not disapear inside it, thus leaving no way to kill it and prevent the building.  Allow the building ship to be killed to prevent building at the very least, or you haven't even learned the leson that ruined warcraft 3.

You dont need 40 cruisers. That is overkill. As for the fighters...well where is your flak and your own fighters? As for his own fleet guarding his SB. Once you kill the fighters with flak then park your fleet right out of range. And let your crusiers pound the SB. If you use the Akkan with targeting uplink and/or using the research that increases missle range you can outrange meteor easily.

Your overcompicating this IMHO.

Probably we treat you like one because we have played for far longer and have learned myraids of tactics that work

1. Starbases have too many fighters? The complaint is that they have too few, how many carriers do you build?

2. hmmm..... have you tried upgrading TEC missile range and using the Akkan's range increase ability? This always allows me to out range any starbase by at least 5000 which is substantial.

And the BRB dont work? hmmmm.... are you sure you got everything updated properly, it works fine for me

3. So they are doing their job?

4. again they are doing their job?

5. never bothered with that tactic, starbases would paste them anyway unless you built hundreds

6. Some yes, Others no

7. Meh.... agree to a small point but I usually just use bombers though with TEC the I find the Orgovs to be effective in a big fleet

Um... you can destroy the starbase as its being built. That is the many complaint about the Vasari's Orky being its Anti-Structure weapon

Quoting EmperorXavior,

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Quoting Ryat,
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Um... you can destroy the starbase as its being built. That is the many complaint about the Vasari's Orky being its Anti-Structure weapon


 

Heh thank for answering my question about what orky was. Even if it wasn't toward me!

no prob man, so much short hand around here makes it hard even for ones like me that wander the forums

ok.

Please outline to me a fleet that you would build mid game to kill these starbases.

Also explain how you would be economicaly capable of building/researching these builds mid game.

I don't believe a fleet of greater than 20 crusiers is possible mid game, and even if it is, you would have nothing else to defend your whole empire with.

All because someone built one starbase in one of your systems... you must now change your whole game plan.

You build A, I build 20 of B.  that is not a strategy game, it is boring and predictable

I really did like the game before SB tho, apart from returning armada and the culture deliverance engine being useless.