Daiwa I must have a similar understanding (correct or incorrectly) of Sharia as you. Your comment was well said. As you mention about Sharia Law being incompatible with the secular society of the US, I must refer back to my comment (lucky #13)... Why the sudden outpouring support from the normally skittish left (on terms of religion and secularism) for Islam?
I'm not speaking of the folks that support it for legal reasons, but those that are deliberately making this about religion. In this case the dreaded Islamaphobia. What is the end game? Why the support (indirectly) of a set of laws that are in direct conflict with our constitution? I believe the rat Pelosi smells is emanating from her own tail.
Show me evidence that they are trying to impose Sharia law in the US. If(!) you can then show me why other groups that attempt to have the laws in the USA changed are not subject to this kind of attack.
Then I will believe it is not about religion
Gotta love you guys. Show me were I said they (the mosque people) were attempting to impose Sharia law? Should be simple enough the quotes are right here. As for Daiwa, I believe he was making a statement about Sharia Law not being compliant with US law. His reference that can be construed to mean Islam is being IMPOSED, states nothing of it being done in the US, but it is being done elsewhere in the world.
Now I have no way of knowing what is in the heart of Muslims, or any other group, in the US (after all I'm not a liberal, with their subliminal powers). I have to take the word of those that do know.
Here is an interview with PBS with Inman Feisal Abdul Rauf (the cultral center guy) first paragraph (in bold is the interviewer, other bold done by me http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/interviews/feisal.html
"My understanding of [the Sharia] rules about punishment for matrimonial infidelity [is that] you have to have four eyewitnesses, or several eyewitnesses to the [act] in order to demand the death penalty. It's almost inconceivable to me that you could ever produce that kind of eyewitness or evidence. But we hear that these kinds of punishments are meted out fairly regularly. Is the law being followed the way it's set [out]?
You cannot judge a whole body of law by one instance of criminal law. When people think about Sharia law, they often think about the penalties for certain crimes. They don't think about the sum total of Islamic law and its jurisprudence, which means the underlying structure and philosophy and understanding of how you arrive at what we call the Islamically correct decision. You do not define Sharia law by just a couple of penalties."
So I take this as "please don't judge our religion's laws by the ones were we stone or disrespect women, We're really, really nice and the women like it too". Now I know Bible and Koran quotes have been flying back and forth. Maybe someone here can tell me which religion most recently carried out a terrible act, remotely linked to their corresponding book, with support of the government of the particular country it occurred in? Never mind.
He goes on to say:
There is also a collective subliminal ambition that Muslims have, that at a collective level, they also embody the ideals of the community that the prophet developed in Medina. So when Muslims today speak of the attempt to establish an Islamic state, what they are really saying is that they would like to have a community that lives in accordance with the ideals, the relationships, the social contract, which the prophet had developed in Medina with his companions and how they had this amongst each other.
Hum, I wonder what the "Prophet developed in Medina"? Collective subliminal ambition? That explains a lot... they ARE liberals. Now I get the bond completely!
The Inman doesn't seem to have an isolated opinion, there are other more nefarious voices.
This from a 2009 article (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-baltimore/national-day-of-prayer-to-islam-sept-25-2009):
"A march called “the Day of Islamic Unity,” is expecting a crowd of 50,000 from mosques throughout the country, including a Muslim contingency from Alaska. The march will happen in conjunction with The National Day of Prayer, “Our time has come!” proclaims Islam on Capitol Hill, a new non-profit, tax-exempt corporation that is seeking millions in sponsorship.
Hassen Abdellah claims the inspiration for this march was spawned from a speech Obama gave at the University of Cairo. Hassen Abdellah is an attorney that defended Islamic terrorists who bombed the World Trade Center. When asked why use the term, “Our time has Come,” the planners of the event explained, “Democracy is not revelation, and democracy does not equal freedom, for in democracy you have apartheid, you have slavery, you have homosexuality, you have lesbianism, you have gambling, you have all of the voices that are against the spirit of truth; so no we don’t want to democratize Islam, we want to Islamize democracy. That’s what we want.”
Really? How would you describe the comments on this very board about the gay marriage and the fact that it shouldn't happen because your god says it is naughty?
Apparently "your god" isn't the only one that thinks it's naughty or at least against the "spirit of truth". Sounds like the Islamic god feels the same. Liberals must just hate the "your god" more than the Islamic one, as that one gets their full support for homophobia. Too damn funny.
I like this funny too:
Enforcing Sharia values here in the US would be ok so long as it's not violent?
And what about the rather long history of anti-abortion violence?
What is abortion but killing babies or fetuses? Why don't liberals just think of the anti-abortion deaths as retroactive abortions? One would think they'd be clamoring for more, or is the kick in killing something (or someone) that can't fight back? Well one thing's true any kooky religion has nothing on the far left.
