Oh, well allrighty then.....as you were.

Wonder if Microsoft was using Internet Explorer when this happened.

Its easy to make light of this but this is another example of a growing problem.

Massive scale organised state hacking instigated by the Chinese Government, we [the west] are at war but our leaders don't want to face the truth. Probably because they have allowed something like 80% of our productive capacity to relocate there.

Sooner or later this is going to escalate into something.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/google-boss-blasts-china-as-a-tech-menace-and-hacker-50010331/

https://forums.wincustomize.com/440440

TwoWolves, you are right.  You're government, and mine allowed too much industry to be exported offshore and too many local manufacturing jobs to be lost.  Of course it will come back to bite us.  First off, most of our manufacturing infrastructre is in a state of disrepair or is simply gone, so that when we again need to make our own, we can't, well not without great expense... and who's going to foot the bill?  Secondly, the Chinese manufacturing and economic bubbles will burst.  Why?  Because China is still wracked with poverty issues, corruption issues, and an economy that's fragmented and not the most stable among leading world economies.  And when those bubbles burst the US and other foolish countries who more or less handed the Chinese their industries on a platter will face shortages of many consumer goods and various essentials, thus causing an economic meltdown as stores fail to keep up with demand and have to lay off staff.

Paint a pretty dark picture, don't I?  Yeah, well I've seen it coming for years, as I watched Australian industries base their manufacturing operations offshore to exploit cheap labour and make millions from it.  I've watched factories fall into disrepair and/or get torn down, so when we really need them again to make our own goods, they just won't be there... and our f**king businessmen won't spend up to get it going again. Oh no, they'll expect government to prop up their sorry asses after bailing out on Australia for greater profit. 

Yeah, our entire retail industry will go down the toilet as it'll have little or nothing to sell... and we're only a small country compared to the US [population-wise], so the problems there will be tenfold or more when China goes guts up... and/or simply refuses to trade anymore.  And then there's all the US loans and sureties the Chines hold.  Yup, the situation is the creation of past and present business and government leaders, yours and ours, yet those bastards will be the first to invoke the patriotic call and get the ordinary bloke to get 'em out of the shit.... either as cannon fodder or as slave labour.

Yup, bet your sweet bippy on it.

Jafo hones his knives.

Your.    

He can hone his knives all he wants... I've already been... yeah, well, that's another story for another time... or is that ty'me?

If they're still there... even operational.  Saw a documentary about factories in and around Detroit... many had been ransacked as they lay idle; many had their machinery ripped out and melted down for scrap; others were just demolished; and others had been converted into residential lots.  According to the documentary, it was just more of a continuing pattern right across the States.  Moreover, much of the manufacturing workforce, like it has been in Australia, has been retrained in other areas... IT, and the like, so there are few experienced/qualified factory workers to fill positions ... IF they were created. 

No, and sadly so, manufacturing in Australia and the US [many other Western nations] is of a bygone era, and simply selling servces doesn't cut the mustard economically.  I keep hearing Wayne Swann, our Treasurer say how good a shape the Australian economy is, but without a true manufacturing base to that economy, and there isn't, not any more, he's talking shite and concealing the fact that Australia is in deep shit economically.  No doubt you have a similar idiot in Washington spinning the same crap.

The best prevailing wage locations are where the companies will go.  The only way to bring manufacturing back, in any meaningful way, is to eliminate (or make trivial) corporate taxes (it is truly double taxation, anyway) and enact right-to-work laws where they don't exist.  Let the unions compete for members - if what they provide is valuable enough to them, they'll join.  Things have to make economic sense for companies to resume manufacturing here (or Oz).  If we don't provide an economic climate conducive to manufacturing, it won't happen.  Expecting patriotism to be enough is wishful thinking, as has already been clearly demonstrated.

Of course, the flip side of the equation is lower consumer cost of goods, enabling a higher standard of living.  Markets are like water - they will slip through cracks and find level.

idk why everyone hates IE. What are these "holes" everyone is talking about? I've been using IE for as long as I can remember and I've been fine. Maybe you all just need to learn how to secure yourself better rather than depend on the software to do it for you.

Bit of an oversimplification, that.  What keeps it going is the opportunity to become one of those self-serving greedy bastards.  Except that virtually no company was ever successfully built with that goal, and no other, in mind.

Obviously the successful companies with longevity have balanced out profit and customer satsifaction, and there are a few businessmen who have given back greatly to benefit humanity and the environment.  However, that small handful of businessmen/women who make charitable donations do not change my cynical view of the majority.  Most I've met would steal their granny's purse and sell it back to her empty.

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Actually Hostess was bought and sold some 118 times.... all its assets were stripped and ended up without the asset funded health/pension plan... 

No matter. Snopes isn't perfect, but it doesn't have any political leaning I've managed to detect - possibly because it deals with so much right and left leaning crap put out for willing mass consumption.

Very hard to glean truth anymore.