Hi Neil! Both your questions were answered in my first post. Windows loading screen (perhaps I was not clear here) and problem cured once Start8 removed.

Start8 hasn't even started at the point you are having the freeze, so I suspect the issue is something to do with the shutdown process itself.  We use the hybrid shutdown option, perhaps you are shutting it down without Start8 without that?

I was meaning when you tested without Start8 to see if it still happened.

It might be interesting to have Start8 running as normal and then shutdown not via the Start8 shutdown menu, but from the charms bar (win+c, settings, power).  See if the same thing happens.

Neil, I did as you suggested. I reinstalled Start8, rebooted, and then once PC was back up completely, I used the Charms bar to shut down completely (or as completely as I have now learned Windows 8/8.1 do). The same freezing problem occurred upon attempting to start the machine. Once I again uninstalled Start8, the freezing problem immediately stopped.

Your comment about the hybrid shut-down prompted me to do some research. Apparently, Windows 8 (and I am assuming 8.1) use the hybrid shut down process even from the Charms bar. The only apparent way to completely shut down a Windows 8 machine now is to run a command line prompt (Shutdown /s /t 0). This is according to the one source that I have had time to read up on this at. The article has some typos, but it is a very good reference for those who like this power stuff explained simply (ME). http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/how-windows-8-hybrid-shutdown-fast-boot-feature-works/.

I checked the logs looking for all the approximate dates and times since I began having trouble with Start8 (since the Windows 8.1 upgrade). Sure enough, the problem is flagging as an incomplete or interrupted shut down. Now, This is a mess, because the PC appears to shutdown completely normally when Start8 is installed (it looks exactly the same as without Start8, visually and audibly). There is no appearance of an interruption, a sudden click off, or a crash. But, the logs sure say otherwise. I have a screenie of the log, but no where to host it, so I cannot post it here.

So, what do I do. Going back to Windows 8 is not an option. And, I would very much like to use my Start8 program that I paid for. I really like it.

Is there something...a config file, an .ini file, or something else that I can edit in Start8 to force it to use the old-fashioned full shut down procedure?

johnnyzero, thanks for the article link. I will take a look at it. I don't wan't to disable hybrid shutdown, because I really like it. Also, it gives me no problem as long as Start8 is not installed. However, I want to learn all I can about this, so I appreciate you steering me in this direction.

Hey Neil....do you have any further thoughts regarding my last post? I could really use some help here. Since very few regular PC users shut down their PCs, and since even fewer have probably upgraded to Windows 8.1 so far, you may not see a lot of people reporting the problem. I assure you it is real and it is related to Start8 though, so please don't forget about me.     Stardock Support has not gotten back to me at all from the ticket submission page. I would really like for someone with newer hardware but still running Windows 8.1 and Start 1.30.1 to chime in and say whether they have experienced the problem.

Hi Neil! Thanks for getting back! I was already running Start8 v1.30.1 when I upgraded to Windows 8.1. Also, I have uninstalled and reinstalled that version several times now as well. I do clean uninstalls using Revo Uninstaller Pro, so all the files are removed.

Thanks for reminding me about the shift key with shut down. I read that somewhere, but I did not know if I believed it would provided the same complete shutdown as using the command line. Does it? I am too new to Windows 8+ knowledge to know any differently. I believe that I will reinstall Start8 and try to cold boot again using that method to see what happens. If it works, that is good enough for me at the moment. I still want Start8 to work for me because I like the Windows 8 fast boot time. If nothing else, I will wipe my laptop and reinstall Windows 8. I do not need 8.1.

As far as you not duplicating....if I may ask: 1) How old is your system (mine is about 5 years old with no driver support from HP now)? 2) Intel or AMD processor? 3) UEFI or old fashioned BIOS (I am old-fashioned BIOS)? 4) On-board graphics or independent video card?

From what I have learned so far, Windows 8+, using the hybrid shut down, first logs off the user/s, then hibernates the kernel, then shuts down the hardware. Is that correct? Since my logs are showing an incomplete or unexpected shut down when trying to use Start8 or even when it is installed and I use the Charms shutdown, I am going to assume that it is occurring in the second phase somewhere. Perhaps something not being allowed into the hibernation properly? The only problem with all of this is that my PC has no problem with the Windows 8+ shutdowns when Start8 is not installed, so I am at a loss as to understand why Start8 would trigger a problem.

Ticket number for support request...I don't see one. I used the web site to submit the trouble report, and I never heard back from them. No ticket number or anything. I don't even see my request for help online when I log in.

I am off to try your shift shutdown suggestion. By the way, is there not an .ini or .cfg file that I can edit to get Start8 to do a proper shutdown and ignore whatever it and Win 8.1 cook up together on my PC during the shutdown process? Thanks again!

Pressing the shift key while clicking shutdown has solved the problem with Start8 cold reboots. However, interestingly, using the shift key caused a loss of Norton Internet Security updates for the past 24 hours. Interesting. At this point, I am going to either perform a clean Windows 8.1 install (mine was an upgrade from 8 to 8.1) or I am going to do a clean Windows 8 install. I cannot remember to hit the shift key every time I shut down with Start8 installed. Since I had zero problems with Windows 8, and I am having multiple problems with Windows 8.1 (not just Start8 either), I am probably going to stick with Windows 8. Thanks for all the help Neil. I will keep checking this forum to see if the issue with Start8 and Windows 8.1 gets resolved.

Update on the ticket I submitted too....Stardock tech support sucks. Received this reply today with no further help offered and the ticket closed. What a crock. I think I will move onto a different company.

Hello,

Thank you for your feedback. I will pass it along to the product manager.

Again, thanks.

Ken Janeczko
Customer Care

Ticket Details

Ticket ID: LLK-857-95349
Department: Decor8
Type: Inquiry
Status: Closed

Holding down the shift key on shutdown simply makes Start8 do a non hybrid shutdown.  If you lost Norton updates then something else is going on.

dpr2: your issue is complexly unrelated.  You need Fences 2.11 which is downloadable from the My Downloads part of the store.  Microsoft changed something about the desktop which broke earlier versions of Fences ability to drag & drop.

Also what was your ticket ID as you should have had a reply (though 4 days ago was the weekend)

having the same problem here. except i couldnt get into the machine at all. after install of 8.1 the system froze. had to restore from a backup. disappointed this happened to two of my machines with start8

typical i guess. their support is useless. if you have a problem dont expect it to get fixed :/