Did someone come up with that hack just to get cheaters banned?

Well... who cares about those hacks that can change the game when there are scripts out there?  Hacks change the game, can be patched up, and people can get banned.

Scripts though?  From what I've checked out so far, you can't really prove that someone is using one or more of the subtle ones and it's pretty much poisoned the idea of playing League for me.

Now I'm going to be paranoid every time I play that every good move I see the enemy perform is because they're scripting.  In fact I'm remembering right now a 5's Ranked game I played in where we matched up against Diamonds in the bot lane.  I was marveling at the Jinx's dodging ability... never hit one Thresh hook during the entire laning phase.  Actually, only one the whole game when someone was CC'd.  Now I'm a Thresh enthusiast so I don't face where I'm hooking, but still she zigged every time she needed to zig, and zagged every time she needed to zag.  I was super impressed at the time at the skill of Diamonds.  

But now I wonder... I think I remember the Support having some weird super offensive scaling rune page, almost like they knew they knew they weren't going to lose any trades or get hit by any SS's so they were set to scale for their late game Support Pentakills.  At the time I just figured "I guess when you're Diamond playing against a Gold, you don't need defense cause your enemy doesn't live long enough to fight back."  I'm only bringing this up now because the Xerath scripter I played against had a very similar setup.

What sort of deviant gets off on playing with an unfair advantage?  People who want their account boosted, I understand.  People who want to use bots to make people think they're good?  Kinda strange.  

Hope Riot's just biding their time until they can permaban a good chunk of these people...  I'm sad right now but that would make me pretty stoked.

The Xerath I played against had 600 wins and a skin so it wasn't a total trash account that he had just gotten to 30.  Either he cheats infrequently enough to not get caught, just recently started scripting, or Riot either doesn't prioritize detecting this as much as they should or are helpless to.

I don't know nothing about nothing but it would seem to me that unless Riot has some way to find out one of these asshats has altered their program, how would they know?  All you would have to do is  make a 'Near Perfect Smite' script that RNG's how close you make the timing right? The dodging skillshot thing glitches out apparently somtimes but unless you get a replay of it and start a support ticket, so what?  Even then I'm sure they'd want ironclad proof before permabanning someone's account.  

You see a replay of a Cass that kites her Twin Fangs instantly with zero animation, that's obvious.  But if they take it down a notch to 'Korean' level APM with tiny random differences between simulated keystrokes?

somewhat boozed and distracted.  I think its bad to assume if you get whooped you are being scripted.  Honestly every report of scripters involves god awful players with god awful stats.  They get outplayed but dodge some ss. 

Just checked the Xerath's LoLKing.

Last 10 games he played was as Support Xerath, won 9 of the 10 with god awful stats a massive KDA.  Only 10/10/23 in the game I played against him so yay for my team?  Oh wait, they had a level 21 Yi and a beginner Wu Kong top and still beat us.

Oh, and scripting apparently has been pretty good for him in Ranked.  Diamond V.

Here's a link that I think is applicable to this discussio

http://thinkpiece.gg/hacker/

The article goes into some explanations on the scripts out there, but the conclusion and comparisons he makes are kind of silly imo.  While it is kind of dumb to get up in arms about curse voice, its disingenuous to compare that to scripting.  Also, probably because he doesn't care to make an actual point re: that comparison, he misses that the only issue real issue with curse voice afaik was that it provided jungle timers only to people that were willing to install the program (remember that whole people whinging in demigod complaining if folks used the enhanced ui mod). 

Last, he questions why riot won't even acknowledge scripting, etc.  Again, I think if you think about it, it kind of makes sense why they act the way they do. 

And no... i am a hacker is also incorrect, I am a script kiddie.  Glad he at least acknowledges that trash players using scripts "destroy[ing] the competitive balance of the game game mode."   Fuggers that download things, install them, and click buttons... hackers indeed... probably consider themselves hackers for installing an AOL disk from the 90s...

Anyway, riot's in a position where they only publicly address exploits when they have a high level of visibility and only then when they are being looked into.  That makes sense.  But I still maintain that it isn't super common.  As things become common, we see more and more posts on reddit complaining, etc... it also stands to reason that riot SOMEHOW knows where these sites are that provide programs for the "hackers" and have people that are able to figure out what can be done and what cannot.  But there really is no automatic mechanism to pick up on every type of script/exploit as its created. 

Goodness.  So one of the developers of bot of legends (this is what most of the "hackers" use (read - jagoffs that installed a program)) leaked over 130k accounts that have used their program from 2012-2014.  One of the devs installed something very magical into the source... code that tracks the league of legends account these shites used the program on.  Oh... and their IP... and the region they are on... and date/time they used the cheats... this is just blowing up right now (as in just happened)... as in if riot can verify this and determines its actionable... that's, you know... the scripting community

things are getting interesting... pastebin for more detail - megaupload includes the list:  http://pastebin.com/pMMEAn5V

Great read Hedgie!  Interesting mindset on the author.

Re: Da Leak

So weird this is going down when we're all talking about it.  I'm kinda bummed that I didn't post something I was thinking, that it would be great if these scripting sites were going to narc on their customers for fun.  Didn't say anything because I was pretty upset about this whole revelation and figured that was pretty far fetched and was just wishful thinking on my part...

No.  Because statistics.

Yes, using a RNG to vary how "perfectly" you are smiting will mean that it will take an automated detection mechanism ~20 smites to detect you instead of ~4.  The bottom line is that it isn't hard to detect somebody who is consistently doing something faster than is humanly possible if you put effort into it.  You can sometimes get smites in faster than you could react by guessing correctly, but you can't consistently.

Now, if you really wanted to, you could set it up so that there was a random delay so that it humanly possible for somebody with very fast reactions.  That might not get you caught.  But I'm not really going to throw a fit about scripts that do stuff at that level.

And really, I see almost no indication of people using these scripts.  Every once in a great while I might be a bit suspicious, but we are talking about a less than 1% effect.

I don't buy any of the numbers from the above hacker/script kiddie.  Everybody who does this kind of stuff grossly exaggerates the people who get away with what they are doing.  If you talk to a drug dealer, everybody does drugs.  If you talk to an embezzler, everybody steals.  If you talk to a hacker, everybody cheats.

You are rather quoting me out of context here as I was talking about a particularly easy to detect script that is also supposedly widespread (auto smiting).

There are certainly many scripts that would be prohibitively difficult to detect.  I'd argue that many scripts could be detected algorithmically in principle statistically, but it would be completely impractical to do so for many of them, so the difference is moot.

But I'm not really interested in getting into a perfect solution fallacy argument here.  The point is that many scripts can be relatively easily detected, with autosmiting being a good example.  If you can detect many of them, thats good enough as it will scare off most people from using any script.

Now I agree that the question is always exactly what Riot logs during the game, and therefore what can be used as a flag both during the game and afterwards.  I suspect that very little is retained after the game, but you can hopefully detect many scripts during the game that you don't need to go nuts with heuristics to catch many of them during the game.

I don't see a conflict in your observations and hacker guy's.  He's claiming diamond, you're what, silver or gold?  I don't see squat for cheating in silver myself, but what kind of tool would you have to be to have obvious cheats going on and still be in silver?

I'm guessing there's a bit of the rose colored lens effect going on and he justifies his own behavior by proxy, but my long and lustrous(I jest, it was a week or so) career in ranked RTS gaming stopped when a top 50 player in RA2 told me I needed to get a map hack like the rest of them to really compete with my peers, so it's not exactly a new phenomenon if true.  Cheaters may not be as common as they think they are, but they're probably a lot more common than you'd expect from observation.  I played CS with a guy for years before I saw his cross-hairs get stuck on a guy's corpse, and he wasn't any better at aiming for head shots than I was.

Most of them will fly under the radar because they're trying to not get caught.  If they're map hacking an RTS, they still send scouts on the pretense that they need them, etc.  If the guy really does just hold down buttons to turn behaviors on, he can get caught by plenty of skill shots in the game and only auto dodge ones that really matter, turning a lane into a route, or winning a critical team fight.