Unit Composition

Originally from the thread: An issue that has been around here but few want to talk. by TAG_Utter

By on September 2, 2015 2:00:43 AM from Ashes of the Singularity Forums Ashes of the Singularity Forums External Link

MajorDespair

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Quoting Frogboy:

"But I do think more needs to be done to make unit composition matter.  Let us know what sort of unit differentiation you'd like to see that isn't already in the game."

I re-posted this, since no one seemed to respond to it in its current thread but might be important to founders who have some thoughts on this since it is a tremendous opportunity for us as founders to influence and shape one of the most bread and butter staples of this game.

 Two quick points I would like to suggest, are: 1) the specific buffs for each unit add slowly for the meta-unit...until very close to capacity, then they increase once a unit cap for the meta-unit is reached, assuming there is such a cap. 2) the behavior of the units themselves will differ greatly on how many of there own kind are in the meta-unit along with what other units are buffing them. I think this last suggestion, was actually promoted by the devs before the game was in alpha.

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September 4, 2015 8:22:30 PM from Ashes of the Singularity Forums Ashes of the Singularity Forums

It seems you missed my reply in that thread:

Quoting eviator,

Differentiation: To be fair, my ideas are based upon untested preconceptions. I will need to stage mock battles to get a better idea of the situations in which each unit excels. If I put a group of archers against an equal sized group of Brutes, which will win? I have no idea. If you have a group of half arches, half brutes against a group of all brutes, which will win? I don't know.

My lack of knowledge and understanding aside, here are some ideas:

1. Brutes have 50% battle speed instead of 25% so they can clash faster, providing a buffer for ranged units.

2. Scouts (cannot remember the name, Aegis?) have no battle speed penalty, low hit points, a medium range low fire rate high damage weapon. They travel at the front of the group, but when fired upon they rush behind the front line of brutes, darting forward to snipe when they can fire again, then darting back behind the line.

3. T2 and T3 buffs and tactics mimic and support the role (Zeus provides a small speed and defense buff to brutes and fights on the front lines with the brutes, Artemis hangs back and provides a weapon range buff to archers, etc.) (I'm blanking on the actual unit names, I hope you get the gist anyway).

All these ideas would also serve to add a bit of dynamics to battles, all of it handled by the AI so no microing.

I think I recall in previous posts a dev saying they want to avoid rock-paper-scissors-like relationships. I could be wrong. I think it is an elegant mechanic, though, so some degree of RPS does make group composition relevant.

I will be sure to post more ideas if they come up.

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