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Mithun Pal
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Reply #51 November 17, 2005 9:01:10 AM
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your last post mangled the site format.

Be very careful when you select things to 'quote'.



Thank you Jafo. Thanks a lot. I've already noticed it and I was just going to contact with some admins here. But, now I find it OK. It was not the quote I used, it's probably the table I used for the screenshot. I knew some problem was there in the coding, but forgot to debug. Thanks for debugging.
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Reply #52 November 17, 2005 9:08:14 AM
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Gmail invades users privacy by scanning emails even if it is for ads.



In every standard e-mail severs there must be a scanning engine. Hotmail, Yahoo - every standard email server scans the incoming as well as out going mail for security. To project your mailbox from spam, scanning is a must.
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Reply #53 November 17, 2005 9:12:38 PM
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To project your mailbox from spam, scanning is a must


Yes, when it serves to protect the recipient from unwelcomed spam and viruses, etc.....NO, when scanning to place unwelcomed ads based on the content, it's unacceptable.
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Reply #54 November 18, 2005 1:45:14 AM
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To project your mailbox


Sorry, it should be 'protect' and not 'project'.

NO, when scanning to place unwelcomed ads based on the content, it's unacceptable.


Couldn't understand who is placing unwelcomed ads through scanning?
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Reply #55 November 18, 2005 2:37:34 AM
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In every standard e-mail severs there must be a scanning engine. Hotmail, Yahoo - every standard email server scans the incoming as well as out going mail for security.


Yep my ISP scans my email for malware and viruses not for content to base an ad on.

Couldn't understand who is placing unwelcomed ads through scanning?


Google is.
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Reply #56 November 18, 2005 5:13:40 AM
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Yep my ISP scans my email for malware and viruses not for content to base an ad on.


If there is any anti-virus only - I think no mail server (at least Hotmail) can depend on AVs only - the checking is only on attachments. But, if there is any spam guard - even at your PC - if working properly must have to scan the internal coding of any incoming and outgoing mail and to check it most trustable method in my opinion - is hex-dumping.
Because, it's the coding that can make a free Hotmail account HotPOP account without any charge. It's the extra coding of a picture that can tell the sender that the recipient is online. The small text files known as cookies contains a very few text, but could be enough harmful. Hex-dump the cookie to view the coding. So, in modern day computing when viruses are getting more and more intelligent, it's not enough to check the files attached; you have validate the incoming server, also verify whether what you get is what you see, i.e., the internal coding.
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Reply #57 November 18, 2005 5:22:27 AM
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Nevermind...
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Reply #58 November 18, 2005 7:49:46 AM
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Himangshu....no amount of explanation is going to persuade me to trust a company whose fortune is largely derived from advertising and annoying the crap out of people.
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Reply #59 November 18, 2005 9:49:52 AM
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Apprentice Himangshu ...Gmail scans your email content to target YOU with relevant advertising.  The scan has exactly NOTHING to do with viruses....and EVERYTHING to do with invasive advertising....to the point of a technical breach of your privacy [but of course you sign that away when you join].

If a 'thing' scans your email CONTENT for keywords to determine what advertising is relevant to YOU then your information content of your email is being intercepted by a party OTHER THAN the one to which it was addressed.

Anyone with half a brain can see that as intrusive...but most are blinded by the gigs of storage...and cliquish 'invites' that make this crap advertising venture look groovy.

Perhaps you're a Gmail employee....or are getting some kick-back for making them sound good....but they ain't.  It's a cheap but clever way of doing 'spam' without clogging your intray....

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Reply #60 November 18, 2005 10:48:41 AM
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Actually, G-Mail is now old hat! It is easy to get and no longer "Exclusive". It does work well though.

Interestingly, it is no longer possible to open a G-Mail account if you have a British address. Apparently, a company in England has copyright for the name in the UK. The address was used by this company for mail to its employees.
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Reply #61 November 18, 2005 11:24:16 AM
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Well, Google's farce has finally collapsed on them. They only want to make money! How dare they? And with advertising to boot? What kind of moral decay would allow a business to use advertising to make money. If something does not exist within a three mile radius of me, I don't want to know about it, because I don't need it and I certainly don't want to buy it.

Really, I'm just happy I have an anti-virus scanner, anti-spyware scanner, and search engine that magically know just what they need to do. If any one of those things actually accessed my sensitive, sensitive data like how big my cat Nibblers has gotten, I'd be ruined!

I, for one, say down with the ad-based businesses!
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Reply #62 November 18, 2005 12:08:44 PM
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Anyone with half a brain can see that as intrusive...but most are blinded by the gigs of storage...and cliquish 'invites' that make this crap advertising venture look groovy.


Exactly...and Google counts on the naive, ill-informed and dimwits to do their dirty work...they're without scruples

A niece of mine recently got herself a Gmail account and was plagued by porn spam, free music spam, cheap precscription drugs spams.....all because her husband clicked on an music related ad, placed in an email from an army buddy regarding their band.
Needless to say, common sense prevailed and their Gmail account has been deleted from their PC.
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Reply #63 November 18, 2005 12:26:33 PM
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Then you're just stubborn. GMAIL is safe, if it wasn't there would be articles on magazines and websites about the insecurity of GMAIL. It IS safe, the is a correct method to delete email forever (as been posted before) and if you can see there's also a deleted mail folder where you can erase EVERY mail forever too. Don't say you know how to use GMAIL n00b if you actully don't know everything.
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Reply #64 November 18, 2005 3:11:15 PM
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Gmail might be safe if your talking about viruses. But the ads need to stop. Read what Jafo said. The ads are very intrusive.
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Reply #65 November 18, 2005 7:47:10 PM
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My ISP identifies gmail as spam and deletes it before it reaches me. Quite right too...
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Reply #66 November 18, 2005 10:43:58 PM
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Then you're just stubborn.


Stubborn only in the fact that there's no convincing me Gmail is a good thing to have...it is not. I am exercising my right to be cautious of a practice I cannot trust, and you've confused that with mule headedness?

Don't say you know how to use GMAIL n00b if you actully don't know everything.


Never said I knew how to use it...there's more than enough bad experiences published all over the net and elsewhere for me to know that I don't want to know. Having said that, to each his own, and if you're happy to use it, then that's your perogative, and mine not to. I value my privacy too much to be bombarded by invasive ads that try to manipulate my shopping habits...they're not up for grabs.

Gmail might be safe if your talking about viruses.


That may be the case regarding the actual email itself, but as my neice's husband discovered, much to their horror, inadvertantly clicking on an ad can open you up to an array of unwelcomed nasties....browser hijackers; malware; spyware; adware; trojans and viruses, etc. These are consequences that the 'bright spark' organisers don't see, and as such, obviously don't care about.

Furthermore, this invitation scheme is not dissimilar to pyramid selling. Ok, so maybe no money actually changes hands upon sign ups, but ultimately, the whole idea is about the perpetual generation of advertising revenues, and the possible consequenses to the end user can be expensively horrendous. Legal loopholes may enable this practice, but that don't make it right.
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Reply #67 November 18, 2005 11:25:47 PM
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I'm tired of Gmail already. If it's free there's a string attached. And why start a text war over email? There's lots of email providers. People should try not to FORCE their opinions on others, even if it is a great product/service. Have a nice day.
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