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Owens Corning Basement System Review

Owens Corning Basement System Review

My review and experience with it

If you decide you want to finish your basement there are lots of options to consider.  Do you do it yourself? Do you contract it out? Maybe do a little in between? For me and my wife, we just aren't handy enough to try to finish a basement on our own.  So we decided we'd contract the whole thing out.

Once you decide you're going to contract it out, then it's a matter of deciding what direction to take with it. Do you go with drywall? The problem with drywall is that it takes months to put in (how long do you want contractors going in and out of your house?).  It makes a lot of mess (expects months if not years of drywall dust to be floating around your house), it's susceptible to damage from a wide range of sources (water, normal wear and tear due to it being in a basement).  So we wanted our basement finished but drywall had a lot of negatives to it.

That's when we heard about the Owens Corning Basement System.  After intense negotiations, we had it done.  And below you can read about our experiences during the sales process, installation, and after effects.  I hope you find it useful.

The Owens Corning Basement System has been in place now for our basement for about a month now so I've had time to get used to it.

The project went pretty smoothly except for a few hiccups that I'll talk about here. So what's the verdict? Here are the things I really liked about it:

  1. It's fast. In 2 weeks it's all done.
  2. It's clean. No dry wall dust all over.
  3. It's durable. It's virtually impossible to damage. Basements, unlike the rest of the house, are more prone to dings since that's where most people store things too.
  4. It's virtually sound proof. This was an unexpected benefit. But the kids can go and play down there without having to hear music, TV, yelling throughout the house.
  5. It looks pretty nice still (but not as nice as dry wall in my opinion).
  6. It is nice to know that in 20 years it'll look the same as today. Dry wall in basements tend to not look so good. At best you'll have to repaint larger areas. With this, you don't have to.

The big thing for us though was the speed of it. My first basement was done with dry wall and I have no regrets about that. It was nicely done. But it took months to do and over a year for the house to stop having more dust in it than before. The dry wall dust simply gets everywhere.

If you're as unhandy as me, then you likely want contractors to do pretty much all the building. It can be uncomfortable having strangers in your house for months. In contrast, the Owens Corning Basement System was installed in our roughly 1100 to 1200 square foot area in about 2 weeks (closer to 10 days).

In short, I was willing to pay a premium to not have to deal with a summer of construction. The fact that it looks nice and can't be damaged easily was a real bonus. My 3 year old already put that to the test by taking a permanent marker to one of the walls. In a few minutes we were able to wipe it off with some bleach and you can't even tell where it was. Contrast that to having to repaint that area with a dry wall basement. Not to mention all the nicks and gouges that would be there due to moving stuff down there.

That said, here are things that I ran into that I didn't like that you should be aware of:

I really didn't like the sales strategy of their sales people. High pressure combined with little specifics created a lot of headaches during the project.

First off, people who can afford to pay a premium for their basement being done aren't fools. Even so, they used the same tactic on us as they would on some gullible yokel. No offense, but the reason we can afford this stuff is because we have some financial savvy. So don't march into our houses with magazines showing that the "Average" basement costs over $50 per square foot to finish. Because that's nonsense and does more to harm your sale than anything else. Sure, if you're going to have bathrooms and kitchens and tiled areas and wet bars and such it will cost more, but the Owens Corning System doesn't take care of any of that. They just do the "walls", drop down ceiling, electrical, and a few other things. They're not going to build you a bar or tile your floor for you (unless you make a special deal with them). Just for reference, a typical basement done with dry wall with nothing too fancy done shouldn't cost much more than $20 per square foot. Our last dry wall basement cost around $17 per square foot.

The price you should try to get with the Owens Corning Basement System is somewhere between $25 and $35 per square foot. They may balk at $25 but $35 they should certainly take. I paid about $28 per square foot. $30 per square foot would be good. Anything much higher and you're paying too much. Which is why they do the high pressure tactic to get you to sign right there.  To the sales guy's horror, I made him sit there while I had my laptop doing net searches on how much other people have paid. By the way, be aware that most states do have a law that allow you to back out of contracts within 72 hours. So if they did manage to get you to commit for $55 per square foot or something you aren't up the creek.

The second thing I didn't care for was the amount of vagueness to the agreement. Because of the high pressure sales tactics, the sales guy didn't write down a lot of our specific needs on his "agreement" (which was literally just a 1 page form he hand wrote notes on which I was pretty unhappy about). For instance, we said we wanted padded carpet so he suggested Home Depot. Which we did. But they didn't cut the doors so that they would fit on padded carpet so when we put in the carpeting, we had to take off the doors. It took us 3 weeks to get them to make good on this. They argued it wasn't their responsibility to fix the doors. Nonsense. We told them up front that we were going to get padded carpet. For us to fix would have meant bringing in another contractor. They agreed to fix it only after I made it clear that I would ensure that my experiences with the Owens Corning Basement System would show up high on google. It took the guy 30 minutes to fix it once he dropped by. So they made good but it did mar an otherwise fairly seamless experience.

So make sure that you are clear (and document) exactly what they do and what they expect you to do. The Owens Corning contractors don't tend to do as much as regular full service basement contractors. They weren't planning on putting in our phone and cable lines for example but luckily that was written into that agreement.

Thirdly, the only negative I've run into since putting it in is that it is, contrary to what they said, not that easy to hang things up on the walls. Since they're not drywall, you can't just put in a nail and put stuff up. You have to use special clipper thingies. These work nice on light things. But they didn't give us any samples or directions or order forms to get things for putting up heavier items (like a big white board for example). This has been a source of some ire since it's turning out not easy to find these "mending plates" in low quantities. Office Max and Staples don't seem to have them. None of the hardware stores we've looked at have them. I've looked on the net and I can buy them in quantity (like 1000 at a time) but I only need like 5. My suggestion is to insist that they provide you with 100 of the t-pins (small stuff) and 100 mending plates (big stuff) as part of the agreement.

Fourthly, this gets back to the "customers are suckers" sales pitch. The sales guy and his materials really went hard on the mold scare tactic. Mold is definitely something not to blow off. But it should not be your motivating factor to spend a third again as much on a basement. Would you pay $15000 more on your house for a "lightning strike resistant" design? The kinds of houses most people who would put this stuff in are usually newer and on the premium side. The basements, in short, don't get wet very easily. That isn't to say they shouldn't mention mold, but it should be more of a "bonus" feature rather than as the principle selling point.

Now that it's all done, I'm pretty happy with it. I like knowing that I won't have to mess around with painting or touching up the basement in a few years. I do wish it was easier to modify with other things. For instance, I can't just build out a bar from it. But that is no biggie really. The basement does what it was supposed to do. And even better, since I want to have a theatre down there eventually, it's got incredible acoustics. If you have the money and are more interested in having your basement be finished quickly and cleanly rather than having some incredible basement palace created, this is something you should seriously consider.

Completion date: September 2003.

Update: September 2005: I have created a second article for people who want to share their experiences (good and bad) with the Owens Corning Basement System. GO HERE to discuss.

update: 10/2003 - still pretty happy with the basement. thanks for all your emails. if you have any questions, ask them in the comments area or you can email me at [email protected].

update: 5/1/2005 - still happy with how it's turned out. I get a  lot of email on this stuff from people, I don't usually get to answer it. But I will say that we are happy with it still. It absorbs sound. But I maintain that the main reason to get it is that you want to save time. If you don't mind having people working on your basement for 6 to 10 weeks and the drywall dust and other dirt that is inevitable with dry-wall then get the dry-wall.  But for me, having it all over in a week or so was the key and no mess afterwards.

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Reply #402 Top
Has anyone here actually had the champion basement finishing system installed? I am considering it for my basement and I have some questions for them....

Thanks in advance!
Reply #403 Top
How do you measure the square feet? Length x width x Hight, but what about the ceiling? I'm tempted by the speed and durability, which would increase the value of the house more, but I can probably hire Amish construction guys out of season to drywall cheaper.

We have an older home so the mold protection would also be good. Does everything have to be completely out of the basement too start with or can we move it from side to side?
Reply #404 Top
How do you measure the square feet? Length x width x Hight, but what about the ceiling? I'm tempted by the speed and durability, which would increase the value of the house more, but I can probably hire Amish construction guys out of season to drywall cheaper.

We have an older home so the mold protection would also be good. Does everything have to be completely out of the basement too start with or can we move it from side to side?
Reply #405 Top
It took much longer than estimated, but well worth it all. The basement is beautiful. Can't wait to entertain. I just feel like hanging out here all the time.
Reply #407 Top
I just wanted to follow up from my previous posts and let you know that our basement looks MUCH better. They sent out a new installer who was able to fix most of the problems in just a few days. If we had the this person from the beginning, I know we wouldn't have had the issues we have had. We are happy with the finished result, despite the fact it took a while to get there.
Reply #408 Top
J Kite, I think our guys expected the basement to be cleared. We shoved it all into a side that was to stay unfinished and covered it with plastic.
Reply #409 Top
Thanks for all the posts. Credibility is a concern with some of the info, but there are sufficient credible sounding stories regarding negative sales interactions that I'm going to cancel my OC appointment. Thank you for sharing. I have no desire to deal with it and I feel that there are reasonably safe alternatives (to the mold issue) that provide me with greater levels of DIY options and paid contracters. The solution I am leaning towards is going with a metal stud framing solution and going with either:

A. Water Resistant sheetrock gypsum panels OR
B. Foil back sheetrock gypsum panels

My house is newer and I don't have any wet basement or moisture problems currently. While mold is a concern, I feel the solution I've outlined above is adequate to address the concern for a home like mine. By the way, for DIY folks, I think the www.usg.com site has some great info. They have a whole huge handbook that is a great resource for framing and drywall. Here is a link to their homeowner content page: www.usg.com/Expert_Advice/3_5_homeanswr_center.asp

I have no affiliation with USG by the way... that seems to be a concern in some of the OC advice. In addition, I'm familiar with the Sheetrock brand but there may be alternatives. If I do it myself, I'll probably just go to Lowes, Home Depot, and a couple other places to shop their inventory and pricing.

A couple other folks mentioned this solution as an option in a couple of the posts. I want to thank them for mentioning the option which I then further researched on my own.

I may or may not return to listen to the OC folks whine about my suggestion, but I hope that others may find this of interest in evaluating their options.
Reply #410 Top
Thanks for all the posts. Credibility is a concern with some of the info, but there are sufficient credible sounding stories regarding negative sales interactions that I'm going to cancel my OC appointment. Thank you for sharing. I have no desire to deal with it and I feel that there are reasonably safe alternatives (to the mold issue) that provide me with greater levels of DIY options and paid contracters. The solution I am leaning towards is going with a metal stud framing solution and going with either:

A. Water Resistant sheetrock gypsum panels OR
B. Foil back sheetrock gypsum panels

My house is newer and I don't have any wet basement or moisture problems currently. While mold is a concern, I feel the solution I've outlined above is adequate to address the concern for a home like mine. By the way, for DIY folks, I think the www.usg.com site has some great info. They have a whole huge handbook that is a great resource for framing and drywall. Here is a link to their homeowner content page: www.usg.com/Expert_Advice/3_5_homeanswr_center.asp

I have no affiliation with USG by the way... that seems to be a concern in some of the OC advice. In addition, I'm familiar with the Sheetrock brand but there may be alternatives. If I do it myself, I'll probably just go to Lowes, Home Depot, and a couple other places to shop their inventory and pricing.

A couple other folks mentioned this solution as an option in a couple of the posts. I want to thank them for mentioning the option which I then further researched on my own.

I may or may not return to listen to the OC folks whine about my suggestion, but I hope that others may find this of interest in evaluating their options.
Reply #411 Top
Fiberock Brand Aqua-Tough interior panels also by USG are an option as well. Again, just check out the www.usg.com web site for guidelines and options.

I'm just going to get three contractors to bid using the construction materials I specify. I know metal framing is available at Home Depot. I'm presuming the USG panels (WR, Foil, or Aqua-Tough) will be reasonably available as well. This will allow some competition and skip the whole Owens Corning sales crap.... no offense to those prior posts that have it and love it or want to pursue it; I just don't want to deal with it.
Reply #412 Top
Last comment, looks like USG is suggesting their Humitek gypsum panels for basements.
Reply #413 Top
Article: New type of drywall may finally earn respect
www.constructioncontent.com/print/print_77
Reply #414 Top
I had OC rep the other night in Delaware. I had 355 feet of finished area. 1 door, 7 outlets, relocate ductwork, 2 windows for 27,080. If I singed right away, it was 22,433.87. I liked the system but price seemed too high. What would be reasonable cost to get job completed.

Thanks
PJ
Reply #416 Top
Thanks to finding this web site today, I cancelled my project - just in time. The sales guy who came to my house was very nice, althought somewhat pushy but that is sales. The biggest reason to cancel was the fact that there was too much in a price discrepancy from what I was told and what some have paid - for the identical system. For 900 square feet, I was quoted $38 a sq/ft. I do realize that people need to make money or why else would they be in buisness but at almost a $6-10 a sq/ft difference that would cost me considerably more. If they come back to me with a more reasonable offer, I would probably do the deal because I think the system is nice. I do apprecaite you folks out there who have been honest with comments.
Reply #417 Top
We had a rep come out the other day. He took forever to complete his pitch, but once we saw a sample of the product we were pretty impressed. We have some other work pending and were clearly not about to commit to the job that day, and he refused to give us an estimate, or even ball park it. While I found him to be annoying, we liked the product and might go for it, but I want to be prepared by know what a "good price" would be.
*** Here's my real questions:
Everyone is quoting only SQUARE FEET, but that cant be adequate for a good estimate.
(1) Is that WIDTH X LENGTH of the room, or LINEAR FEET X HEIGHT?
(2) I would assume that ceilings and walls should be separate quotes. WxL makes sense for the ceiling, and LFxH for the walls, right?
(3) What about variations and "extras": windows, doors, wiring, phone/cable lines, and free standing walls around obsticles (furnace, etc)?

Reply #418 Top
Ok so we had a rep out last night. Here's the figures:
Total Square Footage - 594 including a 7' X 7' bathroom (toilet, sink and shower).
OC would do walls, carpet, doors, ceiling and electrical.
Initial price - $73,000
Discount price after Buy Now discount and agreement from me to show basement 3 times over 3 years - $55000.
I'm impressed with the system but this price is way beyond other quotes I've seen here. I'm not sure it's worth spending close to a third of what I paid to buy the house.
Ken, I saw your comment about most of the posts here being lies. I'll be happy to go over the entire quote with you line by line if you think I'm just throwing numbers around or am a competitor.
Thanks
Reply #420 Top
Ken seems a bit touchy

Wow, $73K for 594 Sq Feet! Thats a ridiculous price!

Ken, if you don't care why do you keep reading this forum?

I bet you can't just go away can you?


Reply #422 Top
Dan-o:

You are right, the fixation on s.f. price is misplaced. Its lineal feet and component quantity. If you take a 20x20 room (400 s.f.) and use only the wall panels anchored to foundation with only four corners and no doors, windows, stairs, closets, metal walls, interior partitions, electrical work or ceiling, that would yield the lowest cost per s.f. that Owens Corning can give. After that, everything you add will increase the price per s.f. Makes sense, right?

To make it even simpler to understand, think of that 20x20 space as a grocery cart. The more you fill the cart -- and with what -- the more it will cost at check out. Same with your basement.

Good Luck

Reply #423 Top
In Replay to Dan-o

The price is computed on a sheet where the costing is broken down into the following main categories from what I recall:
Linear feet of external Walls
Linear Feet of internal Walls
Number of Doors
Sq footage for drop ceiling and lighting cost

Of course, you don't get to keep a copy of this, but obviously interior walls and added options are where the costs are high (since no framing is done on exterior walls). If I recall, the cost of gettng an additional outlet was around $50 and around $80 for a light switch. So make sure you get those bundled into the deal upfront or it can add up pretty damn quick. One extra that was worth it, was an egress window which was done at cost (ie materials, not labor).

It's very interesting that some Franchises appear to offer doing bathrooms and carpet, where in Michigan they don't do that. You pay $30-$40 sq ft just for the walls, doors and ceiling tiles. One of the reasons our sales guy mentioned was that drywall in the bathroom voids the warranty for mold resistance/growth (at least in that area).

Even though our installation is complete (aside from them coming back and fixing the outstanding quality issues after the OC inspector is over this week), it doesn't feel like it without having a bathroom or carpeting done. Suffice to say that we can't use it with the kids yet.

I'm not sure what some of the county/state codes say about bathrooms, but I was under the impression that they have to be finished with drywall/greenboard or similar. If OC could use or develop a non-organic (ie. not a mold food source) panel in bathrooms then they would start to live up to their "basement finishing experts" title they keep throwing around.
Reply #424 Top
The problem is not all the franchises price the same! I will give you what is mostly used in the Northeast. L.F. of wall (just measure the length of all the wall you are doing) $175.00 and that includes ALL electricity in the wall. Ceiling in Sq. ft. (width x length) $12.75 and that include all lighting and electricity. Both stated above is with a permit and to code. Steel studing $26.00 a L.F.. Duct work and beam trim $24.00 a L.F.. Each post covered
$375.00 ea.. Sspindles on stairs etc. $110.00 L.F. All wall price is the same interior or exterior, for a wall that is not on concrete you must add stud price. Egress is right around $3750.00. Permits and travel and various stuff $500.00 Cable and phone and smoke detector are $150.00 each. Tear out of existing is $20.50 L.F. That will give you a mfg.list price that should be good for anywhere from 6 mos to 1 year. There are from time to time time further discounts that if taken advantage of that eve might result in a big savings. They are not always available and all franchises do not use them. So be careful when painting with a broad stroke, it does not apply to all! Please, list what office you are dealing with and that will help everyone here, this way they will not look like goofballs when they go to thier office and demand a certain price and cannot get it. good luck Bill
Reply #425 Top
To David: The panel is and has been used for bathrooms in the basement. It is perfect, it breaths and is non organic and is much better than a green board or blue board. Those products are not non organic.