Fast build project

Sometimes I fast build project or ships. On the Economic screen, my total monthly loan payments (hate the word leases) are shown. What I would like to see is loan summary pop-up window with a minimum of each loan's amount and number of payments left. Planet, interest charges and what I bought would be a bonus. In my current game, I have 130bc per turn in loan payments and no idea of how many months I had left on my loans.

Agree/disagree?
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Reply #1 Top
I Agree. This whole area needs to be looked at. Does anyone acually use the other options? If so why? what benifit is there? Some of the payments are like 130 bc per month for say 100 months, Can anyone afford that?
Reply #2 Top
Just thought of someting. Would it be possible to pay extra to reduce the build time rater than have it immeadiatly?
Reply #4 Top
I have never seen 130 each month for 100 months... that must be for something VERY expensive...
Reply #5 Top
I've seen Hyperion Manufacturing Center list at 2000bc + 70bc for 100 months from Mitrosoft in beta 3E, and in 3C, I had Mitrosoft regularly offer things like 120bc + 4bc for 65500 months for Habitat Improvement.
Reply #6 Top
Here are some build costs from a save game of mine. I think the costs depend on how much manufactuing infastructure you have on the planet.
Advanced Quality control
9300
7440 +188 for 247 months
1960 + 32 for 386
1030 + 16 for 1226

Frictionless clothing
5300
4240 + 108 for 161 months
1160 + 25 for 257
630 + 12 for 758

Hyperon manufacturing
91670
73336 + 1835 for 1488 months
18434 + 97 for 2248
9267 + 97 for 9254

Brad if you are reading this and you think something is wrong it is from the saved game I sent you Andoria 3.
Reply #7 Top
Should Galactiv Wonders, where only 1 is allowed in the galaxy, have a fast build option or as Red101 suggested, shorted build times. During WWII, we averaged 1 Victory ship per day. The contractors worked their factories 24/7. This same real world logic could apply here. We pay the overtime and get project built faster.
Reply #8 Top
Galactic wonders in the OS/2 game could not be purchased. Maybe this is way it should work in the windows version.
Reply #9 Top
If galactic wonders could be purchased, then it would be a matter of who achieves the pre-requisites first, then buy it. I don't think that is a fair way to do it, because it ignores other parts of the economy, such as manufacturing, morale, etc. I could easily set my spending to 0 for a few turns to build my treasury, then buy it. This would have a small impact to my overall strategy. Having to build it, I have to keep the military/social/research mix according to my strategy, since it will take a long time to achieve.
Reply #10 Top
Or go into the a couple 2000 or 3000 BC. Trade for cash from minor races to get back into the black. Trade with the major races for star systems, technology and cash.

You lose nothing, gain a wonder, star systems, free cash and technology.
Reply #11 Top
Or go into the red a couple 2000 or 3000 BC. Trade for cash from minor races to get back into the black. Trade with the major races for star systems, technology and cash.

You lose nothing, gain a wonder, star systems, free cash and technology.
Reply #12 Top
I guess I really shouldn't comment on all this because it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other, but with all the talk about "fairness" I find it difficult to remain quiet.

First, I guess "fairness" is in the eye of the beholder. What seems fair to one may not seem fair to another.

Second, since the AI is required to follow the same rules as the human player, then it is hard to see just where the "unfairness" is.
1) Is it that the AI can't do it? No.
2) Is it that the AI won't do it? Maybe now, but wait until the Metaverse gets smarter and Brad sees how the AI's weaknesses are exploited. He will change the AI to use the same tricks, rendering the "unfairness" moot.
3) Is it that one human player might and another might not? Maybe, but since we play against the AI, what does it matter.
4) Is it that we might find a way to exploit a weakness of the AI? Of course we will, but that is why Brad built the Metaverse, so those weaknesses can be found and elimitated over time, so I think Brad would rather we DID find those weaknesses and exploit them.

Third, where is the fairness in any strategy game that tries to mimic history? Don't forget, Brad is a history buff. Think of what the British in the 1770-1780s and the 1810s must have thought of the "Colony's" fighting strategies. After all, they did not line up and make nice targets like the British thought was the "honorable" thing to do. Instead they hid behind trees and any other cover they could find to protect themselves while taking advantage of the British being out in the open. Think of Viet Nam where the US had to counter a form of guerilla warfare that carried the US Revolutionary War strategy to even greater hights. Were the tactics of either conflict "fair"? There is no such thing as "fair" in war"fare". Even the words ("fair" and "fare") are spelled differently and have very different meanings.

Fourth, I really don't see any sense in worring about it.
Reply #14 Top
But it doesn't really effect gameplay all that negatively in my opinion. If you can afford to pay the price, you should be able to speed build whatever you want.
Reply #15 Top
It does if you can build faster, have more influence, Have higher morale, improves quality of ships etc. It may not affect how the ships move but it can have a dramatic effect on the game, otherwise what is the point of having any buildings.
Reply #16 Top
Red101,

The AIs have the same options you do. Where does it affect gameplay in any way that the AI could not be altered to take advantage of? And if the AI can and does take advantage of it, would you still see it as a negative?

Don't forget that this is a game that is going to grow, unlike any other strategy game you have ever seen.
Reply #17 Top
Jack

I don't really see this as a negative or a positive I don't know. But it seems to me that if everyone uses only one of the 4 purchase options ( I don't know if they do I was hoping to find out) Then the other 3 Might need looking at.

As for the AI you may be able to tell me. What does the AI choose. Obviosly as a Commander you must know how the game works much better than I.
Reply #18 Top
Red,

I do use the other purchase options on occasion, sometimes in rather urgent situations.

Only Brad (or perhaps Cari) can tell you what the AI does. I find that I see an affect from the AI choices that is quite different than what I see posted, so I can't really tell what the AI is doing. And beta 4 is supposed to have a "much improved" AI.

Those of us with the "commander" honorific are just testers, some of whom have been testing since January when the first Alpha came out. GC has been changing during that entire time, with new features being introduced throughout. I expect to see many changes in Beta 4 which will give me some surprises along with everyone else.
Reply #19 Top
Thanks Jack

Nice to know you have urgent situations like me.

Anyway, like you said we only have wait to see how it developes.