HERE'S THE PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS

Some of our scientific minds are actually asking the religious of the world to dismiss their God and their faith for the theory of evolution. The price for failing to agree with them is the label of being called ignorant. Shouldn't a Christian be able to offer concrete evidence that God exists?

Long ago, I came to the conclusion that there were only two possibilities--special creation or evolution. I realized that the two subjects must be studied together. Though some creationists do try to reconcile the account in Genesis 1 and evolution, they simply aren’t compatible.

CREATION IS THE PROOF OF GOD. The creation around you does provide scientific proof of its Creator. The evolutionists attempt to explain a creation with no Creator. Yet, they offer only unproven theories. When offering their speculations, they suppose, hypothesize and guess.

Radium only exists for a set period of time. Yet, radium and other elements still exist. Therefore, scientifically we know that there was a time when there was no matter. That means there was a time when matter came into existence. If, then, we know that they in fact disintegrate over time, then we know that there must have been a higher power or super powerful Being of some kind that brought these elements into being.

Something or someone brought matter into being. The law of bio-genesis states that life can only come from life. This law also states that living things can only produce more living things. Horses don’t give birth to elephants. There are no exceptions to this rule. No fact of science stands more conclusively proved today.

Knowing that life only comes from life, you cannot account for life without a Life-giver! This scientific law requires a living Creator! Now we know two things: that something had to have created matter, and something had to have created life.

There is nothing in the physical universe superior to the human mind. Man's intelligence and power of invention will always be superior to that which he creates. Evolutionists are asking us to believe--that something less intelligent and less sophisticated than man, produced man! That simply is not logical.

Alternatively, consider that the presence of the human mind is proof of a mind superior to our own--proof of a supremely intelligent being of some sort. Is it rational, then, to believe that any power or force lacking even human intelligence could have planned, designed, created, formed, fashioned, shaped, put together and set in motion the awesome universe we behold? Some superior being, then, stands revealed as the SUPREME INTELLIGENCE and ARCHITECT OF THE UNIVERSE!

Despite the proofs presented here, many will still deny the existence of God. It surely takes a tremendous amount of faith to believe that the entire physical universe sprang from nothing, that life came from non-life, that intelligence came from non-intelligence, and that the intricacy we see around us is not intricate at all--but random. I guess everyone has a right to their own view on any matter, but the existence of God is obvious to me.
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Radium only exists for a set period of time. Yet, radium and other elements still exist


Actually, sun is always fusing matter. Those can be made by suns. Life on earth wouldn't be even possible without some huge novas spewing iron, carbon, etc.
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So who made 'god' ? Did someone give 'god' life too? If nothing gave 'god' life then it's also fair to say that sometimes you don't need life to give life which contradicts your position.

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You're not really saying much more than "there is life, so there must be God" which I find unconvincing. Even if there is some higher being, what makes you think it's "God" as you understand him? Why can't it be Allah? The fact that Christianity emphasises "blind faith" so much is very telling. It's like saying "I can't prove any of this so just close your eyes and believe". Not good enough.

The fact is that evolution is a sound scientific theory which undermines Christianity. Hundreds of years ago Christians thought the world was flat. Science proved them wrong. When the Christian narrative is undermined by science there are two reactions. Head in the sand ostrich impression is first. Eventually, Christianity accepts that it was wrong and the Bible is "re-interpreted" to take the new scientific knowledge on board.
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So who made 'god' ? Did someone give 'god' life too? If nothing gave 'god' life then it's also fair to say that sometimes you don't need life to give life which contradicts your position.

That's kinda' like "which came first, the chicken or the egg".

Also, Marvin, "God" and "creator" are not interchangeable.  How are we to know that the big bang theory wasn't our creator and we have evolved from there?  It's pretty hard to disprove evolution.

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karmagirl........... its very easy to disprove evolution. the hard part is proving to others that its false.
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How do you disprove evolution when we have proof of it? (Unlike God) Just look at the early pictures that were taken and compare the people in them to people who live now.  You can not take a picture of people now and have them look like that even if you used the same method.  People look different.  That is a very basic case of evolution.  Human big toes are basically all that is used to balance, so the rest of the toes are getting smaller.  People can live easily without a gallbladder because it is not needed like it once was.  People are taller than they used to be.  What about hair?  We hardly have any now.  What about our wisdom teeth?  We have evolved to the point where most people don't even have room for them in their mouth.  How can you say that evolution is easy to disprove?
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KARMAGIRL........Evolution is as false as the philosophy of liberalism. Every bone ever found, supposedly proving evolution, could be stored in your bedroom. It is the biggest lie the left has ever foistered on the human race. Its purpose was to put humanistic control over mankind. Educators talk about it as if it were proven so as to intimadate their students. The kids, then adopt it in fear of being called ignorant or whatever.

Its takes years of study on your own to understand it all. I guarentee, if you study the facts long enough, you will agree with me. Evolution is a scam just like socialism.
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It's funny Marvin, because even if all the evidence proving evolution could be stored in a bedroom, you could fit all the evidence proving God, oh, wait, there is no evidence. Sorry.
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Reply #8 By: Ben Belden - 3/31/2004 10:03:19 PM
It's funny Marvin, because even if all the evidence proving evolution could be stored in a bedroom, you could fit all the evidence proving God, oh, wait, there is no evidence. Sorry.

True.  Very true.

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It's pretty hard to disprove evolution.

Especially when it is not proven.

How do you disprove evolution when we have proof of it?

What proof? There is none. It is a theory. I might as well take a bunch of chemicals, mix them together and see if life forms. If not then I can say that evolution is false. Or better yet, because life did not form I can point to that and say that it is proof of a God. Just a valid as pointing to fossils that look similiar and say they are a transitional form that proves evolution.

so the rest of the toes are getting smaller.

, There is no proof of that, if so where is it?

gallbladder because it is not needed like it once was.

And the use before was?

People are taller than they used to be.

Let's assume this statement is true, but why? What capability does it provide that we need to survive?

My point is that you are making unsubstantiated claims and meaningless observations and saying they are proof of evolution. You sound no different than a religious person point at the mountains, trees, etc. and saying that those things are proof of God.

Do not let others tell you how to think (religious or otherwise), if you really want to know about it then I would suggest investigating it yourself and not just simply go with the flow. We have enough sheep in the world already.

Just my two cents worth.


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Do not let others tell you how to think (religious or otherwise), if you really want to know about it then I would suggest investigating it yourself and not just simply go with the flow. We have enough sheep in the world already.

Why do you assume that people don't think and are just going with the flow.  Who, prey tell, is "telling" me these things?  It sounds like *you* are the only one who is telling me how to think.

Why do I say that about toes?  An orthopedic specialist once told me that.  He was explaining that evolution changes our bodies to adapt to how we live.  You can cut all your toes off except your big toe and still be able to balance.  Since he has a Phd in (basically) feet, I believe that it wasn't just his opinion.  Can you prove that our feet didn't evolve to be like this?

Gallbladders were designed to help digestion.  They store bile.  However, as our diet changed, so did our digestive system.  Gallbladders can now be easily removed with no adverse effect on the patient.

Average height actually has fluctuated over the past 300 years.  However, it is mostly in line with the quality and quantity of food that is available.  We adapt (evolve) depending on what our habitat is.  Why else would people be so diverse?

And, why do people have to believe that it is one or the other?  Why is it either "God" or "evolution".  If you believe in God, it seems like it would make sense that "God" is always making improvements. 

It makes absolute sense to me that everything on this planet is evolving.  It is constantly changing.  The Earth's land masses have moved, plants have spread to different regions, animals migrate, everything is always changing- the world is always evolving.  It may be slow, but it is happening.   

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Marvin... have you read "On the Origins of Species... " (not the full title)... have you studied Evolutionary Theory? Are you aware of "Darwin's Finches"? the Galagapos Islands? The Beagle Voyage? Artificial Selection? Natural Selection? Have you studied anything?

Ever taken the time to read Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything" ?

I believe in God just like you do Marvin. But believing in God doesn't mean that we can't believe in Evolution. What is so hard to fathom about creation through evolution? why can't we just accept that God CREATED the universe through the PROCESS OF EVOLUTION?

thought i'd use the all caps there because it's oh so obnoxious...

There's room in our understanding for Faith and Science. It's healthy to have doubt... God doesn't want a bunch of brainless zombies following on strictly blind faith... he wants us to understand the world around us... that's why he gave us the power to reason, and all of this blasted intelligence. Science will get you through this life, but you'll need Faith to get into the next one...
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imajinit, good post!
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Why do I say that about toes? An orthopedic specialist once told me that. He was explaining that evolution changes our bodies to adapt to how we live. You can cut all your toes off except your big toe and still be able to balance. Since he has a Phd in (basically) feet, I believe that it wasn't just his opinion. Can you prove that our feet didn't evolve to be like this?

Ah, Phd. I can point at Phd's that proclaim evidence for a God and creation, would that be evidence enough for a evolutionist to believe? Either way, it is his opinion since he would have no proof to back it up.

Why do you assume that people don't think and are just going with the flow. Who, prey tell, is "telling" me these things? It sounds like *you* are the only one who is telling me how to think.

Oh, I must have hit a nerve. Sorry about that. My comment was based upon the fact that I hear people saying the same things over and over as if it was fact when in reality it is mere opinions and assumptions that are formed by following the popular media.


Gallbladders were designed to help digestion. They store bile. However, as our diet changed, so did our digestive system. Gallbladders can now be easily removed with no adverse effect on the patient.

And that is proof of.....nothing.

Average height actually has fluctuated over the past 300 years. However, it is mostly in line with the quality and quantity of food that is available. We adapt (evolve) depending on what our habitat is. Why else would people be so diverse?

True, however that is not a argument for evolution. That is people being influenced via their environment.

And, why do people have to believe that it is one or the other? Why is it either "God" or "evolution". If you believe in God, it seems like it would make sense that "God" is always making improvements.

Good question. Some if not most evolutionists use the theory as proof that there is no God, that there is no need for God. Likewise there are those theists that who feel any time of evolution theory goes against God. If one can believe that life adapts but not evolves into something entirely different then I would not think a theist could argue the point. But to say that Man came into existence by chance, timing, etc. without any involvement of God is what most evolutionists throw down.


It makes absolute sense to me that everything on this planet is evolving. It is constantly changing. The Earth's land masses have moved, plants have spread to different regions, animals migrate, everything is always changing- the world is always evolving. It may be slow, but it is happening.

Of course. But do not confuse that with evolution. Evolution is a transition from one form to a higher level that results in something entirely different. Adaptation and reaction to environment is what you witness.

There's room in our understanding for Faith and Science. It's healthy to have doubt... God doesn't want a bunch of brainless zombies following on strictly blind faith... he wants us to understand the world around us... that's why he gave us the power to reason, and all of this blasted intelligence. Science will get you through this life, but you'll need Faith to get into the next one...

Well stated. Indeed, even the bible says to search out the truth. At the very least it will help you to be able to explain what you believe and why, if you so choose.


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My advice to imaginet and some of the rest of you is to think for yourselves instead of being intimidated by the liberal elite. If the evolutionists were right, the world would be entirely different than it is today. As you look at life on earth, it all runs down or degenerates. Life does not improve genetically--it becomes weaker, diseased, flawed, deformed, etc. In other words, life over thousand of years has become more imperfect. It has not become improved at all. Man has not evolved into a more intelligent being, he has become more savage in his nature and physical attributes.

Get some books on the subject written by honest people, not those speculative idiots who have closed minds.
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my first impulse is to simply walk away and never give you so much as another thought... your comments certainly warrant that. But I'll humor you...

what books would you, in your infinite wisdom, suggest?
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I can see that niether side will convince the other of their views. Well, at least we can debate in a sensible manner. I think I like most of you and appriciate your input. Thanks.
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what books would you, in your infinite wisdom, suggest?

I can see that niether side will convince the other of their views.

Couldn't answer?

sgsmitty64, do you actually have anything to prove, or do you simply like to say that everything everyone else says has no validity?  How do you know that the Phd had no proof?  Did you take classes with him?  How can you prove that we weren't once all (basically) monkeys as the scientists say?  And, how, after saying that people aren't thinking for themselves, can you throw in the bible?  If there was ever any brainwashing in the world, it came from that book.  (A little "do as I say not as I do"?)

Evolution (by definition provided by Dictionary.com):
ev·o·lu·tion   Audio pronunciation of "evolution" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (v-lshn, v-)
n.

  1. A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development.
    1. The process of developing.
    2. Gradual development.
  2. Biology.
    1. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
    2. The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.
  3. A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements.
  4. Mathematics. The extraction of a root of a quantity.

So, you are saying that we are not evolving at all?  I find that hard to believe.  I, honestly, don't want to believe that.  To think that we are not changing to something better all the time doesn't make any sense.  And the world has changed.... or do you say that dinosaurs never existed and that the world land masses where always like this?

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Karmagirl...............Many of such books are largely speculation.
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Sadly, mythology will lose the battle with science. However, there is no scientific evidence for or against God to be found. "God exists" is a statement for which no counter-factual can be found. Let me ask you, what information could convince you to lose your faith?

I think belief in God will survive for as long as humans survive, but not the associated mythology. The ghost stories and miracles will one day be thrown away, because they simply are not true, and the tide of scientific investigation will become our narrative.

By the way, you tell Karmagirl "Many of such books are largely speculation." That does your argument no advantage as religion beliefs are speculation par excellence.
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I am really perplexed by this talk of man evolving into more savage, less intelligent species. It is hard to follow you guys because at one point you feel that evidence is important, and then of course you reject things that go against your religious teachings. Apparently you lack the ability to recognize what you are saying. No one should believe scientific findings because someone tells them to, and the same goes for everything. The reason science has survived is not because it has been forced on an unwitting and captive world. It prevails because it works, and that simply cannot be denied. It cannot.

Your religious beliefs come down from generations of people who were even dumber than people are today. They are artifacts of antiquity that only persist because of peoples fear of death and the unknown.
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The problem I have with most pure creationists (i.e. the ones who go with the 7 day model from nothing to Adam & Eve) is the fact that they use the bible as their definitive proof of argument. The very foundation of sciences and scientific proof is to provide evidence that can be confirmed, experiments that can be reproduced. The Bible does NOT offer that. It offers lessons, rules for life, and a bit of cultural history in the form of a rather compelling story, but it doesn't offer any actual proof aside from "Because I said so"

Your arguments against it fail for the same reasons you give against the evolutionists... You shoot back saying there's no proof, it's all speculation... but that's exactly what your arguments are. You also say we are encouraged to seek out the truth... but once again just so long as that means the truth isn't something that has already been stated. By your approach, we know all there is to know about all of the Universe, and that any further research is defying God. Science is not evil, it is the attempt to better understand what God made for us. God gave us the capacity to learn, to think for ourselves independently from him, to be able to reach the ultimate conclusions of life in our own way in our own time. We are wired to question everything, why is it then that it's so wrong to question a belief such as creationism? Why is it wrong to pursue a line of investigation called evolution. I feel that what we do God a disservice when we blindly follow, when we don't use the capacity granted to us to actually investigate the world around us.

If we were meant to be rank-and-file soldiers for God, we wouldn't have free will or independent thought... we wouldn't be encouraged to discover, to explore and learn. The Universe is not static, it is constantly changing, what point is there to an existence where everything stays exactly the same? We'd still be banging rocks together going "ugg-ugg" discovering fire if that's how life was meant to be.
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I am impressed by the load of crap that this article dug up. The article itself was so unconvincing that even I, a firm believer in creation, was left sadly shaking my head. In response, it got everything from nonsense about evolution (he's right, I've studied that stuff and evolution is a bunch of bull), to a suggestion by Karmagirl that there's no evidence for their being a God. What about religion, but dear but naive child? Do you think the idea of religion sprung from the hindquarters of an emaciated camel? No, didn't think so.

Imajinit, it's below you to ride the fence. Creation would lose all its symbolism if it were merely an act of nature.

And who was the genius that asked "who created God?" I'm not a philosopher by trade, but that sentence wouldn't hold water even for an evolutionist. The Christian faith proclaims God as being outside of time- which means there is no necessity for creation. Do your research.

~Dan

ps did that seem venom-laden to you? There was a little more vitriol embedded in that comment that I expected.
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I will simply say................... The existence of a very complex universe and more complex life on earth speaks for itself. AS EVEN THE GREATEST SCIENTIST OF THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS, ALBERT EINSTIEN, HAS SAID, "THE MORE I SEE THE COMPEXITY OF IT ALL, THE MORE I BECOME CONVINCED THAT A GREAT LIVING INTELLIGENCE HAD TO HAVE CREATED IT AT SOME POINT. THERE SIMPLY CANNOT BE ANY OTHER ANSWER." When you people acquire enough knowledge and experience in life, you will draw the same conclusion.

I am in no way trying to belittle anyone's opinion.........just stating the facts.
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sgsmitty64, do you actually have anything to prove, or do you simply like to say that everything everyone else says has no validity? How do you know that the Phd had no proof? Did you take classes with him? How can you prove that we weren't once all (basically) monkeys as the scientists say? And, how, after saying that people aren't thinking for themselves, can you throw in the bible? If there was ever any brainwashing in the world, it came from that book. (A little "do as I say not as I do"?)
Nothing to prove, but then again, neither do you. You quote a foot doctor as if they were a authority on the subject of evolution which I found amusing. As for your comments about the bible, well they clearly show your ignorance about that subject.
Nice definition, but what is your point? Diminishing toes is not the formation of a new species. LOL
I could really care less about whether one chooses to believe in evolution or not. There are many Christians that do. However when it is used as a proof against God I find it lacking.
I find Zoomba and Dan's response to be very good. The bottom line is not about evolution as it leads to nothing.