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What is your plan for Windows Vista?

What is your plan for Windows Vista?

Buy new, Build, Upgrade, or Wait?

Now that Vista is a "reality" for some, meaning that business customers and some others can now get their hands on it, and the retail release is less than two months away.  Do any of you have a "plan"?  I'm still not sure what my plan is to be honest. 


Right now I'm running a 2.8ghz Intel, with 1gig of RAM, and a Radeon 9800 Pro video card.  It has served me well over the past couple of years, and some of the parts are very new including a sound card and lightscribe DVD burner.  I could just add Vista to my second hard drive and run it from there, but I'm still not sure.  With the parts on-hand I could build a Core 2 Duo system for real cheap, or just wait and save for later.


So how many of you plan to get Vista?  If you do plan on getting it or already have it, are you going to install it on your current system, or build/buy new maybe?  Let's hear it!


  

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Reply #76 Top
Some people just fear change. I never ever want to be looked at like another admin in another org at work...or Kona.



I don't fear change. If I did I wounldn't use Linux. I just can't afford Vista that's all.

Guys enough is enough. If Vista turns out to be an awesome OS and works great so be it. That's cool. I will in the meantime use Linux/XP. When I get a new PC maybe I'll use Vista. Time will tell.

So let's quit bashing Kona K?
Reply #77 Top
You know guys, I know kona very well from a Linux forum. Frankly, a lot of the things that have been said on here are simply not true. As you claim that kona was spreading FUD about Vista, so have you been spreading FUD about Linux. I can't just stand at the sidelines and watch you guys pummel poor kona--let's set the record straight, shall we?

Microsoft might have a good OS in Vista. I have a test machine on which I am running Vista Ultimate. I also have 5 other computers with at least one Linux OS each. I can say with confidence that all of this falls well into my area of expertise (and no, I don't feel pretentious saying that).

Someone brought up a good point, one which many people have brought up time and time again when Mac OS X or Linux is compared to Windows. If Linux or Mac OS X are really that good, then why aren't they more popular? Why is Windows, as bad as so many Linux and Mac fanboys claim to be, so abysmally bad and yet so popular amongst consumers? The reason behind this lies back in history about 15-20 years. This is back when Microsoft was first getting off its feet. This is a time when there was no Linux and Apple was making good, yet expensive computers. IBM made a mistake in that it let everyone make clones of its microcomputers--Microsoft landed a gold mine because it was the pretty much the only company ready to provide a crude, yet usable OS to the microcomputer public, called DOS. Microsoft's Disk Operating System was nothing special; it was actually rather crude. Yet it was all that was needed. Apple computers needed special hardware and a special OS--DOS worked on every microcomputer manufacturer, of which there were many. There was no viable UNIX alternative because UNIX, at the time, was designed for big, expensive mainframes with costly and specialized hardware. The industry had one choice--Microsoft. Given, it was a brilliant move. When Microsoft upgraded to a GUI, then all the way up to Windows 95, it kept doing a lot of things well, like providing developer tools that were excellent, yet locked people into its platform. Brilliant. Ever since that time, Windows has been the standard. It's not because it's necessarily easy to use or more secure--it's because of the smart market moves that Microsoft made back in the early days. That is why, to this day, Windows comes pre-installed on virtually all consumer computers. It's not because it's better--it's because that's the way it has always been.

Next, people often bring up that Microsoft is just a good company and that if Linux or Mac OS X were as popular as Windows is, the amount of viruses and spyware and malware for them would be just as high. While it is true that many people don't target open-source software just yet because it hasn't gotten into the mainstream, a closer examination reveals the fallacy and one-sided thinking that lies within this simplistic argument. Linux and UNIX, on which Mac OS X itself is based, are engineered as multiuser operating systems. They have a well developed notion of file permissions and ownership. Also, a lot of UNIX/Linux operating systems exhort the user to not log in as root, something that happens on Windows all of the time. Logging in as root (administrator), is dangerous--Linux makes sure that it's harder for a regular user to get casual root access unless that user knows what s/he is doing. Without root access, any attack is limited in what it can do. It might be able to delete a single user's files, but the overall system is unharmed. The same functionality exists on XP and Vista. Mind you, from what I've seen, Vista has much improved its security. Whenever I am about to make something that might affect the system, my screen darkens and I have to give permission to continue. This is brilliant, if late. The same has existed on Mac OS X, UNIX, and Linux since the beginning. Yet, Microsoft deserves praise for the implementation--it is a step forward in the right direction. Now, back to the original argument. Take, for example, two popular web servers, Apache and IIS. Apache is open source. IIS is made by Microsoft. Apache is by far the most popular, yet the least exploited, while IIS, which is not as popular, is much more exploited. It doesn't matter how popular something is--it matters how secure it is. True, the more popular something is, the more likely there is going to be a larger group of people paying attention to it. But, if, like Linux, Apache, and most other open source tools, the code is well-designed, it should be able to resist attacks.

Now, I don't hate Microsoft. They are a good company that has created a bad image for themselves by forgetting how they got into this game and what they do. Microsoft has come up with some great things in the past. For example, Windows XP shipped with a technology called ClearType. This dramatically improved the readability of text on screens, especially LCDs. Have you ever turned ClearType off and tried to read something? It looks abysmal. Kudos to Microsoft for coming up with such a good technology--some might consider the readability of text more important than the fact that there's shiny icons. Also, Microsoft has a very good keyboard and mouse department. They make good products--I own several and I love them. Look at other technologies that have come out of Redmond, such as DirectX. That's a pretty good API, if you ask me. They also make good games, such as Flight Sim, which showcases they DirectX technology. Also, Microsoft has been a key player in the adoption of many technologies that exist today--they do have quite a bit to do with driving the way video cards are developed. They also make a pretty darn good Xbox. I don't hate MS--I like to look at things objectively and not let my random emotions guide me into hasty decisions. Some might say I'm a pragmatist.

Saying that Linux has inferior technology is just unfair. Linux has a lot of great technologies--someone that has never even tried it shouldn't exactly blurt out random FUD--it's just as rude as the FUD that people have been spreading about Vista. Why can't we stick to the facts and keep it clean? For example, have you seen AIGLX+Compiz on Linux? For those that don't know, it's 3D Desktop Effects. In my opinion, they are amazing--lightyears ahead of what Vista has. But I can't speak for that--it's a matter of opinion. Some might like Vista's UI much better, some might be longing for the good old days of Windows 3.1. However, from what I have seen, 3D Desktop on Linux is much more advanced and efficient. I ran a test in which I installed Fedora Core 6 (a distribution of Linux) and Vista Ultimate on a low-powered machine. The machine is an HP Pavilion 8766C, with a 900 MHz PIII Processor, 640 MB or PC-100 RAM, and a GeForce FX5200 graphics card. This was enough to run glass on Vista. Now, the 3D Desktop effects did very well on Linux. There's things like transparencies, virtual desktops mapped onto a rotate-able cube, and an expose like feature, among others. While it did stutter sometimes under load, for the most part it was smooth, so long as there was nothing that was accessing the processor too much. Now, Vista was a different story. I understand that this is an underpowered machine--this is why I chose it for my tests. Even when I opened a Control Panel window in Vista (running Aero Glass) and dragged it around, things got laggy and jerky, with the processor usage jumping up to MAX. Again, weak machine, but you the idea. Now, I'm not bashing Vista. There were a few things in there that I saw that I actually liked, like the sidebar. Also, there's a lot of new programs that come bundled with Vista these days--like DVD-making software. This is a good thing. However, trying to run Media Center on that weak computer was probably the most painful thing that I have ever tried to do. As soon as I put it on my Kentsfield QX6700 processor with an nVIDIA 8800 GTX and 4 GB of 800Mhz DDR2 RAM, the thing flew and flew, but so did Linux. Fair is fair. However, beyond this, Linux has been the development hotbed of a lot of technologies that quite a few people have not noticed. Things like OpenLDAP and ssh. Things like a fully network-enabled X server. Linux is full of many technologies--at this point in time, with regards to operating systems, anything that Linux can do Windows can do. Anything that Windows can do, Mac OS X can do. Anything Mac OS X can do, NetBSD can do.

An area that I see Linux to be lacking in just support. There's a lack of popular applications, such as many games and tools, like Half Life 2 and 3dsmax. Yet, it's a good OS with lots of potential that excels in security, flexibility, and efficiency. The reason that Linux isn't more popular is that it doesn't come pre-installed on commputers and it lacks application support at times, although almost all applications that are available for Windows have open-source equivalents on Linux. Yet, there are a few important ones like Photoshop that keep people from switching, which keeps Linux from growing that fast, which in turn keeps software vendors from making applications for it, which in turn keeps it from growing. Although, if you look at previous trends, Linux has been growing exponentially for a few years now. Things are looking good.

Now I will end the hijack and get back on topic. There are so many things that I wanted to write that I couldn't find the time for--I do have finals this week that are important to me. One thing that I have liked so far out of Microsoft product lineup especially has been Office 2007. The new GUI is amazing, a great improvement. Good job Office development team. The text in the program itself looks much better, anti-aliased and all. Also, Windows Media Player 11 is a great improvement--I really like the GUI. Windows Defender is also a great addition for people that need to keep their computers safe. There's a lot of good things coming from Microsoft. There's also a lot of bad--I don't like the Windows EULA. Also, Internet Explorer 7 hasn't fixed any of the things that have made it so bad in the past at rendering pages--my job as a part-time web developer has gotten no easier, only harder, now that I have to check for IE6 and IE7. So, I have already decided that I will buy a top-of-the-line MacBook Pro this August for about 3500 dollars. Obviously, those come pre-installed with Mac OS X, an excellent OS. I'll probably dual-boot Linux on it. My guess is that when my dad is shopping for a computer in a few years, he'll most likely come to me and ask me for help and I'll of course direct him to a brand-name PC that comes with Vista or its successor, unless Autodesk and Dassault Systems start making software for Linux (the man makes a living off of CAD). Me, I'm happy with having Windows on a machine for games and Linux on my other machines for everything else.

The only thing I hope for is that computer users stay stupid--it's job security
Reply #78 Top

I can't just stand at the sidelines and watch you guys pummel poor kona--let's set the record straight, shall we?

Sorry, but I have to set the record straight.  This was a question I posted on many forums to guage the response of the community.  The original question that's in the title was "what is your plan for Vista"?

This thread was injected with someones pro-linux and anti-MS comments, and users responded to the comments.  The same would happen if someone came on linux forums advocating Windows.

Anyways, linux is lacking in way more areas than support, and it's certainly not a gaming platform, but we can save that for another thread.

  

 

Reply #79 Top
Sorry, but I have to set the record straight. This was a question I posted on many forums to guage the response of the community. The original question that's in the title was "what is your plan for Vista"?

This thread was injected with someones pro-linux and anti-MS comments, and users responded to the comments. The same would happen if someone came on linux forums advocating Windows.

Anyways, linux is lacking in way more areas than support, and it's certainly not a gaming platform, but we can save that for another thread.


The fact remains that unless you provide cold, hard facts as to why you say so, it doesn't make it true. I believe I answered the original question about my plans for Vista as well--I'm NOT getting it, but maybe you didn't have the patience to read through all of my post. I'll admit it was long.

Oddly, we never get a similar thread on our Linux forums. Sure we get people angry when someone that has been using Linux for a day or so comes in and starts bashing it just because of inexperience, but we don't get flame wars and we don't gang up on a single person and yell at him/her because of computing beliefs.

You can say that Linux isn't a gaming platform, which is true--there aren't exactly that many companies that make games for it. You can find out why above. However, as a programmer of 6 years, I can tell you that the Surge Engine that I am working on right now runs 24% faster on Linux in OpenGL and even 5% faster with DirectX emulation. As you may or may not know, emulation is rather slow. To have it run faster with emulation, well, I'd say speaks for itself. As for any other areas you may claim that Linux is lacking, I'd be curious to see as to what examples you can provide. If I say that XP is lacking in many areas, would you believe me? Wouldn't you at least want one example, not a bundled up mix of emotions and tribal knowledge on the subject from a forum that doesn't even deal with it? Instance.

What will happen is people will eventually make the move to Vista as consumers start purchasing new computers with Vista installed. As others see it and start liking the glass and everything, other consumers will switch. It should have market dominance within two years. Businesses will need a hardware rotation before it happens. But it will happen, with Linux and Mac OS X fairly growing in the background.
Reply #80 Top
Don't preach to me about *nix you poser. I've been using it (and administering it) since before you were born, so I'm well aware of its advantages and disadvantages. Read the thread again genius, nobody spread FUD about *nix.

The bottom line is, kona starts out with:

I'm not gonna to get Vista. If I buy a new PC with Vista on it I'm gonna say no to the EULA and either put Linux or XP on it. Then I'm gonna sit back and smile when threads like "I have to buy a new Vista License because MS said mine is pirated (Because when Vista called home things got fouled up. Vista is supposed to call home every 2 months)" or "I can't play any MP3 files because Vista says they are illegal" and stuff to that effect.

Why would anyone spend 500+ dollars for a buggy OS that barely runs on most hardware when XP does 90 percent of what Vista will do and is a bit more stable?


Then, after a sound thumping, refines it down to:

I just can't afford Vista that's all.


So then #$%#$%^ say that to begin with! How can anyone not expect to get beat-up over that, I have no idea. This was a classic kona posting tactic: Type before you think. Maybe it's an attempt at trolling...I'm not sure, but I love it when kona posts on a technical topic...it's always been a blast!

We weren't bashing *nix...we were putting kona in his place...get over it.
Reply #81 Top
We weren't bashing *nix...we were putting kona in his place


LMAO
Reply #82 Top
I have no hardware that can run vista, not in a fashion that would make me want to USE it. I guess when XP becomes a dead product and our IT people THEN decide to switch to Vista (when the next OS is out), we will go to Vista. Till then, I will stick with XP SP2 (SP3 anyone?) I like it, it works, and its a corporate version that doesn't bitch when I blast my laptop every 9mo or so and start over. LOL
Reply #83 Top
Till then, I will stick with XP SP2 (SP3 anyone?)


FYI, I just saw recently that SP3 probably won't be out until 2008. If I can find it again, I'll edit and post it.
Reply #84 Top
I'm currently running Vista on my secondary box here at work.  Based on my experiences with it, the current state of driver support, the lack of distinct advantage in switching to Vista over XP for gaming, and the price tag... my plan is to wait a while before loading it on my home machine.  There simply aren't enough advantages to justify shelling out all that money for an OS that doesn't do things any better than XP at the moment.

I'll consider Vista when I move to 64-bit, and once games run at least as well under Vista as they do under XP.  Until then, no clear advantage.
Reply #85 Top
So let's quit bashing Kona K?


I can't just stand at the sidelines and watch you guys pummel poor kona-


Let us translate...

Kona - Boo-ho, I can't take it.

rappermas - I'm an idiot


On topic - Im running Vista Ultimate on a Dell Latitude D620 along with Office 2007 Professional Plus. Working like a champ so far.
Reply #86 Top

So let's quit bashing Kona K?

What do you expect? You de-rail every single thread you appear in. Gets very frustrating for everyone to have one single disruptive individual hijacking threads.

If you don't like the answer, you shouldn't ask the question

Reply #87 Top
Ok, lets keep to the original topic from now on. 

This was a post about how users plan to use Vista, not an opinion on linux. 

 
Reply #88 Top
Right now I plan to buy and install the commercial release of Vista Ultimate as soon as I am allowed.

I am not happy with the price and licensing. My computer is middle of the line--two years ago--3.7 Windows Experience Index. I don't like that if I buy Vista now, it means I am also committing to staying with this computer for a while to get my "money's worth" on a new OS. Not to mention the additional several hundred dollars that will be charged for the Expressions products, which I will also need. At least I will be able to install those on a new machine, though.

But, even though I don't like the EULA, I still plan to get Vista ASAP.

Because Vista kicks ass. Everything looks better. Seriously, not just the killer and versatile Aero Glass, but everything. Images scale cleaner. Fonts are smoother, and I even set a custom DPI for slightly enlarged fonts. Playing with font size in XP never worked for me...it would be ignored in some places or break layouts. Vista handles this all in stride, and I mean it, text looks better.

Cleaner text and prettier images improve my own performance and enjoyment if only slightly.

Things run smoother in Vista. I have had fewer app crashes and maybe two OS crashes. Switching between running apps seems quicker to me (a lot of this is just my impressions--I did not run any experiments or do research).

I had to find a driver for my stone age trackball, but otherwise had no troubles with hardware. Vista has better troubleshooters and more intelligent driver updating in any case--even with XP you'll still be updating and dealing with drivers. It part of the deal. At least Vista has made this process easier.

Well, I could go on. But I would like to make just one last point. Several people have said things to the effect of "Why should I buy Vista when I can do everything already on XP?" In fact, there are a growing number of things you will just not be able to do with XP that you can with Vista.

First there is the Areo theme and the DWM. People who haven't tried Flip3D or seen the live thumbnails in the taskbar can pooh-pooh these advancements, but I find them helpful tools.

Vista has an incredible Speech Recognition engine and underlying technology. This aspect is underreported, but there is a huge potential in this technology. I just played around with it for a few days, and I had my computer browsing the net, taking dictation, exploring the file system and opening and using apps, all just by speaking aloud. Now, I understand that some people may not be interested in this in any case, but it is still true that here is another thing you just won't be able to do on XP.

XP requires additional downloads (which will probably be released eventually in a Serice Pack) to use a subset of WPF applications. So, some of the new stuff will eventually be available to users of XP--and every other OS. Such as the new web technologies in XBAPs and WPF/E. Look at Karsten Januszewski's site WWW Link (or my own site) for some XBAP examples. These are (potentially) full featured apps that run in your browser. And for now, if you want to make these, you'll be using Vista.

OK. Well, I do go on. And I could some more. Vista's new tools for admins, like powershell, and powerful performance tools. Bottom line, Vista isn't just some WindowsXP-dressing. I can understand the cost being a deterrent, and I can relate to the argument that Vista is not _enough_ of an improvement to justify upgrading, but I have to disagree with folks who say it is not any different than XP except in appearance and vaguely referred to security. Vista is a sea change, and when you all do eventually try it, you'll be glad you did.

Reply #89 Top
Right on Rabidrobot....Vista is more than a pretty face, and all you say about driver support and troubleshooting is spot on. XP never had the kind of under the hood s0upport mechanisms Vista has....and never will, no matter how many eye Vista apps & eye candy gets backported.

Yeah, the price is a bit steeper than I'd like, but I'll be investing in it because it handles multi-media tasks and functions much more efficiently, among many other tasks XP does not handle as well.

If it were just for the eye candy, it'd be pointless to an ODNT subscriber who can achieve all those nice glass effects and more in XP. There has to be a more valid rerason than pure eye candy, and as rabidrobot has stated from personal experience with Vista, there are many improvements under the hood which will warrant upgrading for many PC users as their computing needs expand/grow/become more sophisticated, etc.
Reply #90 Top
You know what guys, kona does the same thing on our Linux forums sometimes--he actually promoted Windows and bashes Linux. We don't exactly get angry and start a flame war. I guess that's just how it is over here--I thought this would be a cool site to discuss some Microsoft-related things, but it seems like it's short fuses abound.

I haven't yet seen on this thread, with the obvious exception of rabidrobot, a post that is grounded in reality rather than emotion.

I especially like getting called an idiot and a poser. Very professional, coming from people that don't know me, have never even met me, and are guessing at myths. And did I deserve it? Yeah, I answered the question--I'm not going to get Vista for a while and even then it won't be by personal choice.

All I did was fairly present my case and let you guys know that flaming someone just because of beliefs, politics, or a financial situation is not fair. I for one don't see the turn-around in buying Vista. If I did, I would get Ultimate. The sector of the market to which I belong is called the enthusiast market, you know, people that always have to have the latest hardware and software first. That's the only reason I have the aforementioned hardware that I have done testing on.

More so, what I have gathered from experience is that anyone who calls another person inexperienced or stupid about a subject area usually has no experience himself. And age doesn't matter either--claiming that you were dealing with these things since you were alive doesn't exactly say anything. What about the people that have been around computers since the early 80's and still can't figure out the difference between a computer and a monitor, whereas a young child these days can be adept enough to use the console in a computer game to script events.

Not a good image guys, not at all. Many places on this forum I've seen references to the Mac fanboy or Linux fanboy mentality--it exists just as strong right here.
Reply #91 Top
You are a poser...

I haven't yet seen on this thread, with the obvious exception of rabidrobot, a post that is grounded in reality rather than emotion.
Your reality maybe. People feel passionately about things sometimes....get over it.

is just unfair.

I especially like getting called an idiot and a poser.

is not fair.

Excuse me while a shed a tear for the young and dumb. You come here to defend an idiot, defending an OS that wasn't attacked, spouting your version of what you believe to be fact...about something the thread wasn't on....

You're right, that was completely unjustified....

claiming that you were dealing with these things since you were alive doesn't exactly say anything.
...but to respond to your point about
--someone that has never even tried it shouldn't exactly blurt out random FUD--it's just as rude as the FUD that people have been spreading about Vista
If not also to point out that your few years sitting in your bedroom messing around with an os doesn't make you an authority on the subject in order to state your version of the "facts"....when others have been running it in a production environment for many many years, where thousands of people count on a functioning system, can rebut just about every one of your "facts" (opinions) with his own "facts" (opinions)...but actually relying on RWE to backup his "facts" (opinions).

More so, what I have gathered from experience is that anyone who calls another person inexperienced or stupid about a subject area usually has no experience himself.
Yup! You got me there! I'm busted. ...but my paycheck might have something to say about that...along with the twenty years of professional administration experience.

The fact remains that unless you provide cold, hard facts as to why you say so, it doesn't make it true.

...and then you turn around and do the same thing. Giving opinions as if they were fact. Everyone does it...Kona, me,.....even you...

So, to sum up: You sign up for an account yesterday, troll a little, and then wonder why you get p1ssed on? Makes perfect since to me.

P.S. *nix IS a joke as a desktop system.




Reply #92 Top
Yes, well, I think kona is a good person at heart that means well. All I know is that I wouldn't treat him the way you did.

And I haven't sat in my bedroom for years and messed around with the OS--I have administered real Linux boxes that were, essentially, the mail backbone. I always administered Windows servers. But you're right, you probably do have more experience than me in general.

Ok, so I have thrown in some of my own opinion here and there, but I also like to ground my statements in truth, be it documentation, source code, statistics, or whatever. Some people simply like a product just because it's the only thing they've ever used.

I'd really just like to end this. These flame wars can go back and forth forever--human nature.

Mind all of you, my next computer is already going to be a MacBook Pro for around 3700 dollars. Doesn't seem likely I'll get Vista. I have Vista running on a test machine right now. I can say that I like a few of things they've done, such as the DPI settings that rabidrobot talked about, as well as the GUI. Not only that, I like the new apps that come with it--it's finally coming with some real pre-bundled software. But I just don't see the need for it. The main things that I do are web design, systems administration, and programming. I can happily do all of that without Vista. Needless to say, there are going to be a lot of consumers running this OS pretty soon, although I personally believe that the high price tag will make the Mac and Linux market share grow.

Unfortunately, what may happen is that I eat my own words as I am forced to use Vista to run DX10 games, satisfying that hard-core gamer that lives somewhere within me that won't die.

I hope for no more flames. What we all deserve is the freedom of choice--for some it is Windows and for some it is Linux. Keep in mind that some people don't even have a computer. As long as we all have our freedom of choice, however, there really shouldn't be a problem here. It starts becoming difficult when human nature takes over and people think that what they have is superior and want everyone else to have the same.

"If men were angels..."
Reply #94 Top
Well, I just installed it a few hours ago, and so far so good.
I had to get the RC2 drivers for my nVidia soundcard, and I got lots of compatibility warnings when I installed Nero 7 and SAV 10. Right now it looks like I can do a scan, but auto-protect won't work. I also see it automatically installs IPv6, but so far it hasn't caused a problem.
My Winfast PVR card isn't supported. The installer puked when I tried to install.
I had to play around a little to get DIVX encoded video to play in WMP 11, but it seems to be working now.
I love some of the extra Admin features. The Local Security console carries a lot of the options from Server 2K3, and I see built in support for iSCSI network drive mapping!
That little User-account warning box that pops up every time I do anything has to go, though.

Overall I look forward to playing around and seeing what it can do.

You may now resume the Win-vs-'nix-vs-OSX debate, and the kona-poking.
Reply #95 Top
but auto-protect won't work.

You need SAVCE 10.2.0.224 or greater for vista support.

had to play around a little to get DIVX encoded video to play in WMP 11
K-Lite Codec pack works great.

You may now resume the Win-vs-'nix-vs-OSX debate, and the kona-poking.

I think we got that out of our system now.
Reply #96 Top
Ignore it until support for XP ends or there is a game that I must have uses only Vista.
Forced upgrades make me cranky. And I have had few or no troubles with XP.
Reply #97 Top
Honestly, the real thing about vista that will be the black horse is the aero interface. If you turn that off the computer runs really great. In terms of structure, vista is way more advanced and by that i mean contains more internal programs to increase stability and usability which just kills the ram. I live in the caribbean so even if i buy a dell they may not even offer anything but vista basic designed for 3rd world countries. Even though, fifty bucks and i could get stardock and get the cool interface. (If i remember when windowblinds vista was in its earlier stages, someone on the development team remarked that it is actually more efficient than the aero interface.

Pretty much, wait!!
Reply #98 Top
It makes more sense that it is per machine.


In the business environment, maybe. But for the consumer versions of Vista (Basic, Premium and Ultimate) it would just make more sense if MS would license copies of Vista per user, much like Apple does (however only to people who use Macs...oh well....). Even though I'm going to get Vista, it would be much easier for me to get if I only had to get one copy for my 3 PCs.
Reply #99 Top
I want Vista Ultimate, but when that will become reality I cannot even offer a guess right now. That and that fact that none of the information that I've seen on 64-bit versions is very clear. Does Ultimate include both 32 and 64-bit versions? Can someone upgrade from say XP Media Center 2005 to Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition? Who knows?

In my professional career, I have been an early adopter when I see a business advantage in doing so. On my current office machine I am running XP-64. Now I've only had this machine for a few months, but I am disappointed by the lack of third party support for it

Now maybe I was being overly optimistic, but I expected more (most) 32-bit applications to run without issues on WOW. As for 64-bit support, the silence is deafening! Every major company that I have worked for in the last 20 years has always had HP LaserJet printers. What HP is currently offering as a driver under XP-64 is appalling.

My luck with Object Desktop has been spotty. I've currently got control center and tab launchpad working without major issues, so I'm relatively pleased, but I wish there was more publicly available information on the Stardock website as to current 64-bit support and future plans.

Getting drivers for my embedded sound chip to work was worse than pulling teeth. True 64-bit applications seem pretty few and far between. Visual Studio 2005 works well, but without that XP-64 would be pretty useless to me.

On my home systems, I have been a late adopter. My first real experience with 32-bit XP came this year when I bought a refurbished eMachines with an AMD 64-bit processor and Windows XP Media Center Edition. Overall, I'd have to say that the experience is pretty slick. WMP 10 was much better than WMP 9. I got tricked into upgrading to WMP 11 (but that's another story), Burning and ripping music (all legal stuff here) has been a joy.

Will I upgrade? Of course I will. When, who knows?
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Does Ultimate include both 32 and 64-bit versions?

Yes.

Can someone upgrade from say XP Media Center 2005 to Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition?

No. You cannot upgrade to 64bit...you must do a fresh install.

I hear your 64bit pain. I rebuilt back to Vista Ultimate 32 after about six hours. Then, after researching further, there just wasn't a compelling reason for me to run 64bit.