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The most dangerous people alive.

The most dangerous people alive.

Just an opinion.

I think these are quite possibly the 5 most dangerous people alive.

By this I think these are the top 5 people that could potentially be the most dangerous to human lives. by global instability, Whether directly or indirectly.

NO SPECIFIC ORDER. Just a list.



George Walker Bush, American President.

Osama bin Laden. Al-Qaeda leader.

Benjamin Netanyahu or Ehud Olmert. Israeli leaders, (I'm not exactly sure who is pulling the Israeli strings)

Kim Jong Il. Korean Dictator

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, Russian President, Soon to be dictator.

This is my opinion, There are some others and hundreds of reasons why.
I cant fill reams of text with those so I am happy with just 5
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Reply #101 Top
Alongside them are the people who think that 2000 year old stories of a bogey man in the sky, whose words were interpreted by warlike bigoted hate mongers and placed into a badly written series of books...... That accounts for all of the faiths that originate in the middle east.


Heres somthing to think about... lets assume for a moment that Moses and the Jews actually had a genuine relationship with God as told in the bible. So assuming their Jewish religion is from God, how is it then that this same faith of God actually crucified Gods son Jesus (assuming Jesus is indeed Gods son)?

Personally i think most of the rules and rituals that come with any religion be it from God or not are mostly just crap made up by humans.
Reply #102 Top
So assuming their Jewish religion is from God, how is it then that this same faith of God actually crucified Gods son Jesus (assuming Jesus is indeed Gods son)?


The Hebrew faith originally required blood sacrifices to redeem sins. The coming of a prophet was foretold in the book of Isaiah, one who would forgive us from our sins once and for all. The death of Jesus was required to fullfill the need for a sacrifice and to forgive us. God loves us so much that he allowed his son to redeem us all.

It's easy to look at the surface of religions and see what appear to be flaws. George Carlin has a great bit about the all powerful God, who sees all and knows all - but he needs money. This same God will, if you're not careful, send you to a place of eternal burning, pain, and suffering - because he loves you. I imagine the bit about the suicide bombers getting 71 virgins in heaven makes perfect sense to them.
Reply #103 Top
The Hebrew faith originally required blood sacrifices to redeem sins. The coming of a prophet was foretold in the book of Isaiah, one who would forgive us from our sins once and for all. The death of Jesus was required to fullfill the need for a sacrifice and to forgive us. God loves us so much that he allowed his son to redeem us all.


I agree of course but i was just trying to illustrate how any religion in the hands of man will be imperfect. So then people see this imperfection and turn away from believing in God as seen in earlier posts. This is an understandable reaction on their part given the state of religion in the world today!
Reply #104 Top
any religion in the hands of man will be imperfect.


I'm not sure I agree. I'm leaning towards all religions are correct, actually.

If the basic beliefs of a religion are love, tolerance and understanding then I would judge that religion to be valid and good. People have used religion and words of religious figures to justify all kinds of madness, from the Spanish Inquisition, to the KKK, to today's jihad. Religion isn't the problem. Leaders who manipulate religion are part - but the people who follow them are to blame.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses."
- Lenin

Anyone who follows anyone blindly, whether it is Osama bin Laden, George Bush, or Rush Limbaugh is the problem. We need to think and act for ourselves and not expect others to think for us. Right now there is a thread complaining about these political threads, because the original poster finds it to be too much work to avoid them. That is an example of this problem.

I guess what I'm trying to say is

the hands of man will be imperfect.


whether it be religion or a pointed stick. Or a bomb.
Reply #105 Top
Yes, like Shiva, Destroyer of Worlds, from India. You are an intelligent person, obviously. You would probably benefit tremendously from reading the books by Joseph Campbell I mentioned in my earlier post ("The Hero With a Thousand Faces", "Myths To Live By"). As I remember, perhaps not perfectly, Joseph Campbell touched on Shiva and thats how I learned Shiva destroyed worlds when it was time for them to go (every few hundred million years or so), not to be a "boogey-man" to scare the people into passive compliance with government policies and power-mad monkeys' whims. Unfortunately for us, the Human Race, many of the "religious" myths, especially western religion, are corrupted (subtitle 'hypocrasy') and are now used mainly to exploit and control people to benefit the special interest groups in power.


Well, I'm not a follower of Hindu, so I don't really believe in Shiva. I'd be careful about tying anything, including mythology, to a conspiracy theory. Mythology is an interesting study, but to use mythology to explain everything is to see everything as a nail when you have a hammer.

I do agree, however, that many religions (including the Christianity I follow) are corrupted. The misunderstanding of the nature of God, hell, and good and evil are all evidence that there's a great misunderstanding of what Christianity is and what it teaches - and I'm sure the same can be said of other religions.

How many billions of the dollars spent in Iraq are going into the pockets of those who own the companies that do all the transportation and supply of the fuel, food, water, and etc.? How many of those people (the beneficiaries of all the spending) pushed for war with massive contributions to the campaigns of politicians who could make it happen for them? How many hundreds of billions are being spent for new military equipment contracts, which is provided by corporations and companies that, on a daily basis, send their lobbyists into the capitol with fistfulls of spare change to spread around, thereby sidestepping the democratic process and taking away our voting power?


Good questions. Do you have answers?

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." --Sherlock Holmes, "A Scandal in Bohemia"

... and all those people are simply doing what they think is best, according to the mythology they believe in. Climate change is just an accurately predicted result of careless development without caring how many people die to achieve the ends. What an absolutely horrible mess. Shiva old buddy, maybe it's time to start over.


Interesting how you claim the result is accurate when we have not seen all of the results yet.

On the matter of climate change, it is my personal opinion that we do not currently have enough information to make an informed judgment. Although I do encourage we take steps to protect our environment, I also encourage that we look at the issues objectively and do what we can to gather enough data for an informed judgment.

Be careful about caring and knowing: Although the issue is currently about caring, that was not always the case.

When the industrial revolution began, most people simply didn't know about the long term results. It wasn't until fairly recently that we learned of the possibility of climate change. Therefore, I respectfully disagree that we developed without caring - while that may be the case currently, when the industrial revolution began and we did most of our development, it was a case of not knowing rather than not caring.

I'm not sure I agree. I'm leaning towards all religions are correct, actually.


Unfortunately, this is impossible, as many religions have beliefs that contradict with each other.

If the basic beliefs of a religion are love, tolerance and understanding then I would judge that religion to be valid and good.


The basic beliefs of Christianity are sin, faith, forgiveness, and redemption. Love, tolerance, and understanding are considered a result of being a Christian.
Reply #106 Top
Yes, like Shiva, Destroyer of Worlds, from India. You are an intelligent person, obviously. You would probably benefit tremendously from reading the books by Joseph Campbell I mentioned in my earlier post ("The Hero With a Thousand Faces", "Myths To Live By"). As I remember, perhaps not perfectly, Joseph Campbell touched on Shiva and thats how I learned Shiva destroyed worlds when it was time for them to go (every few hundred million years or so), not to be a "boogey-man" to scare the people into passive compliance with government policies and power-mad monkeys' whims. Unfortunately for us, the Human Race, many of the "religious" myths, especially western religion, are corrupted (subtitle 'hypocrasy') and are now used mainly to exploit and control people to benefit the special interest groups in power.


Well, I'm not a follower of Hindu, so I don't really believe in Shiva. I'd be careful about tying anything, including mythology, to a conspiracy theory. Mythology is an interesting study, but to use mythology to explain everything is to see everything as a nail when you have a hammer.

I do agree, however, that many religions (including the Christianity I follow) are corrupted. The misunderstanding of the nature of God, hell, and good and evil are all evidence that there's a great misunderstanding of what Christianity is and what it teaches - and I'm sure the same can be said of other religions.


Ouch ... please don't burn me at the stake! I promise I'll be good from now on. Here's 50 bucks for the offering plate. Do you like my sister? ...
Reply #107 Top

So if we think the world so screwed why don't WE do something about it or has humanity lost hope?

"Evil prevales if good men do nothing" --Some guy I can't remmember, I have to look it up--

Let us stand and unite because we are all human and therefore all equal.
Reply #108 Top
On the matter of climate change, it is my personal opinion that we do not currently have enough information to make an informed judgment. Although I do encourage we take steps to protect our environment, I also encourage that we look at the issues objectively and do what we can to gather enough data for an informed judgment.


I sometimes post in humor, but I'm serious with this one -

When we can predict the weather with 100% accuracy for more than five days in advance, I'll believe in global warming. Until then, forget about it.

Is the climate changing? Probably. It was been changing for thousands of years. Did we do it? I would say probably not. There is evidence that the other planets in our solar system are warming, too. The Sun may be cycling through a period of change.

I think it is extremely presumtious of ourselves to think that we did it. You know, methane is a greenhouse gas. too. Cattle give off lots of methane. Cow farts could be doing it, too. Should we kill the cows.

Should we be eco-friendly? Sure. But you are going to have to give solid proof about what is causing this before I support crippling our economy with restricive emission laws based on Al Gore's blatherings.

Yes, its getting warmer. I accept that data. Show me a concrete link that the sole cause is humans. Anybody got one?

The basic beliefs of Christianity are sin, faith, forgiveness, and redemption. Love, tolerance, and understanding are considered a result of being a Christian.


I don't want to start a religion bashing thread here, but when asked what is the greatest commandment he replied "Love each other as you love yourselves". We may have turned it into something else, but I believe this is about love, tolerance and understanding.

Reply #109 Top
Dear Stanley,

The most dangerous people alive shall no be lawyers but in the end be the people theselves and there arsortment of parallism to stupity and uneducated minds of old. AS FOR THE CHRISTIANTIY DO NOT SPEAK UNLESS YOU ARE. What do you think of when you say traditan christanty? Do not codem someone in your mind to hell because of a injust act you do not know him and are not in his mind hold your fingers on the keyboard.

Sorry for bad spelling


I am not condemming anyone to Hell. I am just trying to show how silly present day "traditional" (aka believe in Jesus and repent or go to Hell forever) Christianity is. Personally, I don't believe in a permanent Hell either, but that we may get "temporary Hells" in direct relation to how evil we are in this world. So, I believe in a reasonable temporary Hell but not an eternal Hell.
Reply #110 Top
how silly present day "traditional" (aka believe in Jesus and repent or go to Hell forever) Christianity is.


I'd agree. I'm a practicing Christian, but I agree. Jesus also said "Judge not, lest you be judged." The minute you think that you have all the answers and everyone else is wrong, you are sinning. Think about that.
Reply #111 Top
My opinion on "OIL"

We are all running out of oil.

The western governments have had major "shit" with regards the ever increasing grip OPEC has over our economy due to control over prices.

This will get worse as time goes by and reserves get smaller

The west and the Muslims have never seen eye to eye.

The Muslim countries own most of the oil,

The potential of an economic gun to our heads gets worse as years go by.

It must be a motivation for western powers to think , "Why not use any pretext we can to seize control over the oil?" and our futures.

This is where the majority of the west's motivation for wars on oil rich countries comes from. IMO

So to say oil isn't a factor is frankly pointless.





Reply #112 Top
You know, methane is a greenhouse gas. too. Cattle give off lots of methane. Cow farts could be doing it, too. Should we kill the cows.


Now you can look at it like this though. 'Back in the day', there weren't millions of cows. Our breeding massive herds raised their numbers to levels where their 'farts' have more impact on our environment than say a herd of only one hundred or so heffers.
Personally, I believe we have contributed to our ecological problems, even though nature does her own part to 'help' it along. I am also a firm believer that our scientists/physicists truly do not 'know' all about everything as they like to think. There are things going on in our solar system, our galaxy, and our universe that are all somehow intertwined. More and more theories are coming forth with regards to an 'electrical universe', the emphasis being on electrical discharge and interaction with various electrical fields vs. the old school philosophy of balls of rock and ice being affected by gravity and temp extremes.
Our planet is reacting to a 'virus'... we are that virus. After all we are just a fancy form of bacteria. At this point I doubt there is much we could do to change things with our environment. Sure we can clean it up and make sure we don't make the same mistakes twice but the wheels are already in motion for a 'planetary cleansing'... one which I believe will happen during my lifetime.
Just how did ecology stumble into the most dangerous people thread?

Oh, and Oz, we DO kill the cows!
Reply #113 Top
Now you can look at it like this though. 'Back in the day', there weren't millions of cows. Our breeding massive herds raised their numbers to levels where their 'farts' have more impact on our environment than say a herd of only one hundred or so heffers.


Hmm, I do accept most understanding about global warming, It is happening, we are polluting the environment, this is a potential worry.

But, I have looked at the bigger picture and natural global warming does happen also.
Our world has been far warmer than today without extinction looming.

It would be good if we could have a constructive debate, without all these predictions of global collapse.

30 meter rise in sea levels, laughable, what evidence.

Massive shifts in climate, killing off all the crop growing regions and starving the world. ditto.

Europe and north America amongst others, being plunged into an icy wasteland, laughable.

I'm not saying urgent things have to be done to reduce fuel consumption, we are running out of oil fast.

But the case for global warming being totally man made if frankly pure hypothesis.
and at worst scare mongering.

I hope the scientists are wrong , I hope were not all going to drown, but I hope more that the measures we introduce due to the "global warming issue" do make us slow down our usage of carbon rich fuels as we are truly screwed if we run out of "petrol".

So, whether you believe in carbon emissions killing the world or not, we have to cut our usage of petrochemicals and fast, at least until we can drive our economies on something else.


P.S.
"farting cows" reduced my air miles by half. what a bummer, I'll try to have some salad before my steak, next time I visit Texas.

Just doing my bit to reduce "fart miles".

Marcus.
Reply #114 Top
We are all running out of oil.


Welcome back, Marcus!

The cry of "we're running out" has been going on since the mid-70s. Is there an endless supply? No, and we may be reaching the end of unexplored reserves. Maybe. But as the price of oil rises it becomes profitable to pump more difficult fields. What we should be saying is "we are running out of cheap oil".

Watch what happens in the next 6 months. The price of feed corn in the US is going through the roof because the corn is going to ethanol plants. Beef and chicken prices are expected to go up 15%. Dairy prices will probably rise 15-20%, cuz we gotta feed the cows. When the US doesn't have all the excess corn and grain that we usually do, who will feed the rest of the world. Let 'em eat oil.

The potential of an economic gun to our heads gets worse as years go by.


I would say that the economic gun is pointed at them, not us.

If your countries' economy is based on one product what happens when you can't produce that product? If Muslim sectarian violence spreads and refineries in the Middle East are targeted, as they just were in Saudi Arabia, then those countries cannot gaurantee a steady supply and they lose their market share. No market, no money. No money, and those emirs go back to riding camels from oasis to oasis.

It is no coincidence that the Saudis were able to find and arrest hundreds of Islamo-terroists recently when there was a threat to their oil. They know where the money is.

Reply #116 Top
Welcome back, Marcus


Thanks Oz, nice to be back.


The cry of "we're running out" has been going on since the mid-70s. Is there an endless supply? No, and we may be reaching the end of unexplored reserves. Maybe. But as the price of oil rises it becomes profitable to pump more difficult fields. What we should be saying is "we are running out of cheap oil".


It isn't the immediate future i'm thinking about gut thedecades to come, we have to get used to "the days of wineand roses" being over, we have to get used to the dwindling supplies of what made our lives so easy.
I'm not saying were going to run out soon, but there has to be a time. we better get on our asses and think about sorting out fuel needs for posterity.





If your countries' economy is based on one product what happens when you can't produce that product? If Muslim sectarian violence spreads and refineries in the Middle East are targeted, as they just were in Saudi Arabia, then those countries cannot guarantee a steady supply and they lose their market share. No market, no money. No money, and those emirs go back to riding camels from oasis to oasis.

It is no coincidence that the Saudis were able to find and arrest hundreds of Islamo-terroists recently when there was a threat to their oil. They know where the money is.


The money lies with the consumer of oil, not the producer, they grow rich over the rights to natural resources, but they also see our covetous eyes staring greedily at what came flowing from their ground.

I accept that some powerful Muslim maniacs are hell bent on blaming us for all that the Qur'an could be mistaken for accusing as evil.

But surely we in the west deserve some credit for alienating the Muslims over the last century.

I think this is a mess we cannot shy away from, we are culpable, but were never totally responsible for all the ills.
OIl is power, we want it, they have it, madmen are borne through desire for less greed and need of power power. we will surely live to reap the consequences.



Reply #117 Top
It isn't the immediate future i'm thinking about gut thedecades to come, we have to get used to "the days of wineand roses" being over, we have to get used to the dwindling supplies of what made our lives so easy.
I'm not saying were going to run out soon, but there has to be a time. we better get on our asses and think about sorting out fuel needs for posterity.


I'd agree. We owe it to our kids to start working on a solution.
Reply #118 Top
I'd agree. We owe it to our kids to start working on a solution.


Hell yes, how will my great grandson be able to pull if he has to do his dating on a bicycle or oxen and cart? My gene pool will return to bumpkins, lol.

Seriously though, If we don't get all "Star Trek" and soon (at least this Century), then we could be in for a very slow and probably very frightening future.



Reply #119 Top
Ouch ... please don't burn me at the stake! I promise I'll be good from now on. Here's 50 bucks for the offering plate. Do you like my sister? ...


I'm not sure what you're getting at - the Bible doesn't teach burning at the stake, so this is just another example of how our religion was corrupted.

I am not condemming anyone to Hell. I am just trying to show how silly present day "traditional" (aka believe in Jesus and repent or go to Hell forever) Christianity is.


Unfortunately, the problem isn't the eternal nature of hell. The problem is that you're throwing around the pop culture version that has no resemblance to our teachings. In addition, you're throwing around the word "evil" without really defining it.

I understand hell as a separation from God and his blessings, not a place of active torture. It's a place of sadness and shame, not a place of torturous pain. It's a sub-standard quality of life, but it's endurable. Indeed, Matthew 11:20-24 states that hell can be more endurable for some than for others - so it can indeed be endured.

Sources I used for research:
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gutripper.html
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gr5part4.html
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gr5part5.html
Matthew 11:20-24
Reply #120 Top
he's helping (AFAIK) people who have been SERIOUSLY screwed by corporations,


Yeah, but he's helping them with money that was made by the government-owned national oil company, which is itself screwing over Venezeula. Chavez is no hero. He's probably more like a South American Pol Pot with better PR people.
Reply #121 Top
I understand hell as a separation from God and his blessings,


There is a line of thought that when Jesus said "Oh God, my God, why have you foresaken me?" he was experiencing that seperation as Hell.

Sources I used for research:


Look! Intelligent argument! I love it!

Reply #122 Top
I'd agree. I'm a practicing Christian, but I agree. Jesus also said "Judge not, lest you be judged." The minute you think that you have all the answers and everyone else is wrong, you are sinning. Think about that.


Did I say I have all the answers? I, like every one else on this planet, really truly has no idea what exactly is going to happen when I die. I am just arguing against the idea of traditional chrisitanity because it is to me, an abomination of God given human logic and reasoning. I mean I would be better apt to believe someone who said they were an ubber ninja and could jump 50 feet in the air before believing in the traditional christian concept of believe or burn. I am not judging any person, just an idea. If I have judged a person him /her self I apologize. I am just attacking what I firmly believe is the single biggest lie ever told and perpetrated throughout human history. A lie that continues to be preached to millions everyday.

BTW, if I go by your definition that judging is sinning, then all hard core Christian fundamentalists are big sinners becasue they judge everyone else as hellbound and they don't think they know the answers, they act like they KNOW the answers.
Reply #123 Top
My opinion on "OIL"

We are all running out of oil.

The western governments have had major "shit" with regards the ever increasing grip OPEC has over our economy due to control over prices.

This will get worse as time goes by and reserves get smaller

The west and the Muslims have never seen eye to eye.

The Muslim countries own most of the oil,

The potential of an economic gun to our heads gets worse as years go by.

It must be a motivation for western powers to think , "Why not use any pretext we can to seize control over the oil?" and our futures.

This is where the majority of the west's motivation for wars on oil rich countries comes from. IMO

So to say oil isn't a factor is frankly pointless.


Interesting. Back when I mentioned that oil may be a factor in our present day war in Iraq, someone said that my words were basically diahrea. Oh well, Marcus I agree 100% with you.
Reply #124 Top
as we are truly screwed if we run out of "petrol".


Do not underestimate the power of human technology when we make a total commitment. Do you really think we are never going to drive cars again and revert back to anchient Greece time once we run out of oil? WE WILL FIND A WAY TO MASS PRODUCE CARS THAT RUN ON SOMETHING BESIDES OIL, WE WILL FIND A WAY TO MAKE "OILLESS" PLASTIC, ETC. We love our cars, video games, etc. way too much. Just look at the Manhatten Project. What better motivation for inventing a weapon of mass destruction decades if not centuries ahead of its time then the thought of the potential power of such a weapon to prevent another world war?
Reply #125 Top
Think about that.


Sorry, Stanley. I didn't mean for that to be taken as personal. I meant that in a general sense, even a global sense, a little less judgement and a little more tolerance is called for. I can see how with the way the post is laid out that you took that as a direct criticism and I didn't mean it that way. I don't see you as being quick to judge at all.

if I go by your definition that judging is sinning, then all hard core Christian fundamentalists are big sinners becasue they judge everyone else as hellbound and they don't think they know the answers, they act like they KNOW the answers.


Yes, I think so, too. Christian fundamentalists are just as dangerous as Islamic fundamentalists. The difference is that our culture encourages debate and dissenting thought. That acts as a check on all extreme religions in the US. Without that we could easily turn into Iraq.

It is debate and freedom of expression that make the difference. And the difference isn't really that large.