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Abortion

Taking away a undevelped life?

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Abortion is a highly debated topic in the world today. We are taking away the life of a human being, committing murder, and killing a innocent baby. And I believe that no one has any right to destroy a human life, especially when it has done no wrong to anyone. But, what if it was not your fault?
What would happen if you (I’m talking about a woman, not a man) were walking to the bus stop on a dark, cold night. And out of the blue, a man comes up to you at gunpoint and rapes you. Three months later you find out that you are pregnant, and you are planning to go to college, and start a prosperous career. But, your dreams are shattered because of the baby you never wanted? Wouldn’t an abortion be understandable in this situation?
But, this is when I find an abortion unreasonable. What if you and your boyfriend get all hot and steamy in the back of your best friend’s car? Well, you take a pregnancy test 4 months later and find out that you are pregnant… then what? You were mature enough to have sex, so you are mature enough to raise a child. End of story.
I know people have different views and don’t agree with what I’m saying. But, if you would put yourself in that woman’s shoes, maybe you would understand…
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
shadesofgrey - If that's your (very broad) definition of murder, which includes self-defence killing, please tell me what a fetus could possibly do that would make it worthy of being murdered.


You made a jump there.

You assumed that I consider abortion murder, you are wrong. Also, I'm not sure how my definition of murder is any broader than yours. Here's the dictionary's definition:

To kill (another human) unlawfully. To kill brutally or inhumanly. To put an end to; destroy:


In order for abortion to be murder, one would have to subscribe to the belief that life begins at conception. I do not believe that.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Wow, from the bowels of the forums, it surfaces.......


P.S.: My point is, argue for the first issue before arguing for the implications, because if you don't you'll never get anywhere at all.


Prove it is not a person instead of trying to politicize it.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
Prove it is not a person instead of trying to politicize it.


Why should prochoicers have to prove it isn't a child? Prolifers should have to prove it is...that's the basis of this country, innocent until proven guilty. It's not murder until prolifers can *prove* that it is a child.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
What would happen if you (I’m talking about a woman, not a man) were walking to the bus stop on a dark, cold night. And out of the blue, a man comes up to you at gunpoint and rapes you. Three months later you find out that you are pregnant, and you are planning to go to college, and start a prosperous career. But, your dreams are shattered because of the baby you never wanted? Wouldn’t an abortion be understandable in this situation?


What makes it any more acceptable in this case, or less acceptable in the other case you described? In both cases, aren't you still "taking away the life of a human being, committing murder, and killing a innocent baby."? Wouldn't the woman in the above case have the same opportunity to give the child up for adoption as the woman in the second case/

IMO, the only "understandable" situations for abortion are incest or if the life of the mother is at risk.

The issue is one of metaethics. Do you define a fetus as a person, or not? If so, why? At what point is a collection of cells a person? These are questions that need to be answered before you can even have this debate.


IMO, a life is created at the moment of conception...to end that life willfully is then, IMO, murder.

Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why should prochoicers have to prove it isn't a child? Prolifers should have to prove it is...that's the basis of this country, innocent until proven guilty. It's not murder until prolifers can *prove* that it is a child.


I disagree. I believe a unbiased person who saw a fetus for the first time would be more inclined to say it was a child than not. It really comes down to law and what it defines. Just because a law exists does not make it a just law. The US has a long and distinguished history of bad law.

So do you think it is right that a woman who discovers she is having a baby (say 3-4 months developed) or changes her mind (even later in development) should be able to go to the doctor to have it removed? You know, have the doctor pull "it" partially out of the womb, leave the head in of course (why should that matter?), jab a suction tool into the base of the skull (of the non-human of course), hold the arms and legs still of the flinching thing and extract the so called brains out until it quits moving? Simply amazing that so many people are barbaric enough to not only allow it to happen but actively support such action. Pathetic and sad it is.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am neither barbaric nor pathetic because I believe in a woman's right to choose. I will not attempt to hold a discussion with a name caller. This conversation is over.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am neither barbaric nor pathetic because I believe in a woman's right to choose. I will not attempt to hold a discussion with a name caller. This conversation is over.


That my opinion that abortion and the support of abortion is barbaric and pathetic is just that, my opinion. How that is considered name calling is beyond me. That the "conversation is over" is of no concern to anyone but yourself, I do not care if you run and hide. A thicker skin might help in the world of online discussion.