Ok carielf I checked it out and WTF? all that stuff is so far over my head I have a head ache now.

Interesting, but that's not what I found on the Internet: Big-Boned: * S: (adj) big-boned (having a bone structure that is massive in contrast with the surrounding flesh)

Just because the term is defined doesn't mean that it's a valid reason to be overweight.

From allexperts.com re: the 'big boned' myth...
Yes, there is such a thing as being “big boned.” If we took 100 girls your age and height and measured wrist circumference (mostly bone there, not fat), we would find some minor differences due to bone size. This used to be referred to as having a small, medium, or large frame. But bone size is not felt to have much influence on healthy weight ranges. More important would be the percent of body weight that is muscle versus fat. But unless you are an athlete in peak condition, your percentages probably fall within those already accounted for in tables of healthy weight ranges. (bold added for emphasis)

The same debate has started in UK. I dont have a huge problem with it, providing the principle is extended to all other forms of known health reducing issues such as drug abuse, alcohol abuse, extreme vegan diets, boxing (potential brain damage is now proven fact), blood transfusions against their religion, refusal to turn off life support for the brain dead, injury resulting from not wearing a seat belt, etc etc - the list could on for a long time.

Some would be contentious - a few deliberate ones thrown in earlier to illustrate the problem - some obvious, however as long as the "system" took all of them fairly, thats fine. Frankly I doubt the latter would ever happen, too many Votes at stake.

So called fatties on their own - nope, thats way off beam.

Jythier:

Next you'll see insurance companies treating obesity as a pre-existing condition, therefore any ailments said to be related to obesity are not covered... yet still chraging $60 more to 'cover' these people, when really all they are doing is denying coverage and taking their money.

Maybe the extra $60 per month in insurance costs will stop some fatties from visiting the Sizzler.

I never said it was a valid reason, I merely pointed that people don't have x-ray vision to see if you are fat due to muscle and bone or due to eating too much. The average person needs merely to look at someone fatter than a supermodel and quickly dismiss them as overweight. I'm sure from a medical point of view people who are overweight due to physical reasons not lifestyle choices will probably not got punished, but how would an employee who is large due to him just simply being large and not necessarily being fat (considering he eats normal or on a diet) get a lucrative incentive if the company sees him as overweight, not slim down as stated here in the article:

I think it will just cause more eating disorders. Hope that's covered.

'I think it will just cause more eating disorders.'
I presume you mean anorexia nervosa, bulimia etc. But don't forget, in many cases obesity is assessed as the result of an eating disorder. So, do you think the overall number of eating disorders will increase?

Good point. But I think the borderline people, who don't have an eating disorder but are ruled overweight by the arbitrary standards, are the ones who are at risk here. So the overall number will increase, but not to the degree I was thinking of at first.

It's kinda funny to think obesity is such a big deal in a country supposedly there are so many poor and hungry people.

The poor are the fattest of all. They can't afford to exercise.

LOL.

The BMI isn't really all that great, but it's the best we have. Perhaps body fat measurements or even just tape tests would be better?

Or maybe a PT test to measure fitness? Haha. Even the skinnies would hate that!

You can't be fat due to bone. That doesn't make any sense.

I am 8 lbs overweight, but I have a 36G chest (lactating, haha). Wonder if they would take that into account? I'm pretty sure my boobs weigh at least 8 lbs.

Is there a decent boob-weighing machine out there?

Lactating will do that to you, I guess. You'll probably get rid of those 8 lbs when you stop.

I'd like to see what would happen if they had a PT test... it screams discrimination against the disabled.

I smoke cigarettes because I'm addicted to them. It's not very easy for me to quit.

Why should I pay higher healthcare than a non-smoker. Why should I be penalized?

Is there a decent boob-weighing machine out there?

There sure is! Just let me wash my hands first...I'm an expert

Well it may not be fat that you can probably notice simply by looking but it does add some weight, but its mostly a combination of bone and muscle that can make you seem larger and overweight without that much fat. My sister in law for example is a woman who is pretty big but she is more muscle and bone than fat. But if you look at her you would think she would spend more time in Burger King than anything, she barely likes fast foods and she eats somewhat healthy. I say somewhat because she isn't perfect. But then I eat way more than she does and I look skinny next to her. Same with many Black and Hispanic girls I've seen where they have big rears with skinny bodies, lots of muscle there. Mmmmmmmmmmmm. Sorry, have barely seen a white girl with a big butt, it's very rare.

I bet your mom doesn't know this, otherwise you may have to live the your whole life knowing that you know your moms chest weight. Uhhhh, just the thought of it makes me sick. LOL.

so many poor and hungry people.

Poor and hungry are mutually exclusive in these United States. Here is a link to an excellent article by Greywar showing just how well off the "poor" in America actually are.

Well it may not be fat that you can probably notice simply by looking but it does add some weight, but its mostly a combination of bone and muscle that can make you seem larger and overweight without that much fat.

Will the insurance companies use BMI or arbitrary weight tables to assess obesity? Just wondering, since I saw a weight chart saying that for my height (5' 11") I should weigh 165. Heh... I haven't been 165 since probably junior high school. Guess I'd be coughing up the extra $60 for a good long while.

lol, I am 215 right now, I am way off. It would take a miracle and a lot of nasty tasting food to get me to 165 and stay there.

I am 8 lbs overweight, but I have a 36G chest (lactating, haha). Wonder if they would take that into account? I'm pretty sure my boobs weigh at least 8 lbs.

36G?!?!?!?! Goodness gracious. Your husband must be so pleased.

Actually, when I was poorest, I was fittest. Why? Well, a lot of beans and rice, and I walked everywhere I went. When my wife and I were dating, I used to walk 3 or 4 miles to her house every day.

Better than a gym membership, if you ask me.

Actually, when I was poorest, I was fittest. Why? Well, a lot of beans and rice, and I walked everywhere I went. When my wife and I were dating, I used to walk 3 or 4 miles to her house every day. Better than a gym membership, if you ask me.

My mother's riding lawn mower is a lot of fun, but it sure was expensive. Best exercise is the push mower... and so inexpensive!