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What is Torture?

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 Definition of torture:

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torture[1,noun]torture[2,transitive verb]

Main Entry: 1tor·ture
Pronunciation: 'tor-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquEre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drAhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
1 a : anguish of body or mind : AGONY b : something that causes agony or pain
2 : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3 : distortion or over refinement of a meaning or an argument : STRAINING

now please do not make me define anguish and agony cause I will........

again I say for the dense..

Making a room 95 degrees is not TORTURE.... its damn uncomfortable.

Playing loud music (90 decibels} is not Torture is just mind numbing

Making a room cold 40 degrees is not TORTURE... it is very uncomfortable.

Making someone stand in place is NOT TORTURE.

Putting a blindfold on someones head is not torture... its scary period.

I am tired of the left twisting my words so the outcome is as they choose../

for the fainthearted I will now list some torture beware your bleeding heart might rupture.

Slamming slivers of bamboo on fire under your toenails is torture

Pulling your tongue out and cutting it off is torture.... Saddam did this on a constant basis. So do the Terrorists we are fighting and worse.

Cutting someone hands off in stages from the fingers upwards is torture... Saddam also did this. We have proof that the Muslim lunatics do this also.

Gassing someone with chemical agents is torture Saddam did this also

Cutting off someones ears is torture Saddam also did this. We have proof the Muslim Terrorists do this too.


Can any of you  name one instance in THIS WAR where we did anything approaching the true definition of torture?

Do any of you have proof that America has done anything besides a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors that we have engaged in any of this kind of horrendous behavior?


 


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Reply #126 from JoeUser Forums Top
Besides, what a few people do even if the number is as high as one thousand Americans breaking the law and using methods defined as torture, that is hardly a dent in the amount of people that have served {around 500,000 or more} and hardly makes it American policy. We do not torture people! period.


The strenght of the chain is defined by it's weakest link
Reply #127 from JoeUser Forums Top
CikomyrOctober 22, 2007 14:12:08


Besides, what a few people do even if the number is as high as one thousand Americans breaking the law and using methods defined as torture, that is hardly a dent in the amount of people that have served {around 500,000 or more} and hardly makes it American policy. We do not torture people! period.


The strength of the chain is defined by it's weakest link


Not in the case of people. To condemn an entire country because of the behavior of a miniscule amount of people is bigoted.
Galactic Civilizations IV
Reply #128 from JoeUser Forums Top
Not in the case of people. To condemn an entire country because of the behavior of a miniscule amount of people is bigoted.


You more than often condemn an entire ideology because of the behavior of its minuscule - but loud - minority. Liberals jump to minds.
Reply #129 from JoeUser Forums Top
Liberals jump to minds.


there are not just a few liberals in this country trying to take complete control.
Reply #130 from JoeUser Forums Top
hardly makes it American policy.


issuing special presidential findings and directives approving extraordinary rendition and setting up detention centers offshore does exactly that--makes it american policy.
Reply #131 from JoeUser Forums Top
issuing special presidential findings and directives approving extraordinary rendition and setting up detention centers offshore does exactly that--makes it american policy.


Rendition, while it can be torture, is not by definition. The issue is not rendition, but torture. DO you understand the difference?
Reply #132 from JoeUser Forums Top
Rendition, while it can be torture, is not by definition. The issue is not rendition, but torture. DO you understand the difference


The thing is, you take people in absolute legal dark with Renditions. Then, what happens then, may or may not be torture... ... ...?!

Come one! WHY is there rendition?! To put these people where none can see what happens to them. You think they are going to give them scotch and soda?

This is allowing torture to exist, this is condoning it
Reply #133 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is allowing torture to exist, this is condoning it


No, you are falling for the same error kb did. It is neither condoning or abetting it. It can be (as I stated). But does not mean it is. There are many reasons for rendition, one of which is torture. To say that all As are Bs is not the same as saying all Bs are As. If you would like to prove that rendition == torture, you are free to do so. But then not even Amnesty International - no friend of America - is saying that.
Reply #134 from JoeUser Forums Top
You think they are going to give them scotch and soda?


actually that would be torture to people who don't drink.
Reply #135 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: CikomyrPosted: Monday, October 22, 2007
Not in the case of people. To condemn an entire country because of the behavior of a miniscule amount of people is bigoted.


You more than often condemn an entire ideology because of the behavior of its minuscule - but loud - minority. Liberals jump to minds.

No! I am condemning the loud mouth Liberals and make it plain which ideology I am talking about.

Reply #136 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: kingbeePosted: Tuesday, October 23, 2007
hardly makes it American policy.


issuing special presidential findings and directives approving extraordinary rendition and setting up detention centers offshore does exactly that--makes it american policy.

So you think we are torturing people kingbee?

Reply #137 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: Dr GuyPosted: Tuesday, October 23, 2007

Amnesty International - no friend of America - is saying that.
 

If there were the slightest doubt Amnesty International would jump at the chance of blackening Americas eye, they have done it before on little or no evidence before and will do it again!

Reply #138 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think that there is a easy solution to finding out what torture is, PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU THINk I AM WRONG.

When foriegn countries start water boarding US Soldiers, ask the US Soldier if it was torture.

When foriegn countries start leaving US Soldiers in a 40 degree room for long periods , ask the US Soldier if it was torture.

When foriegn countries start leaving US Soldiers in a 90 degree, high humidity, room with a bag over their head, ask the US Soldier if it was torture.

HOW MANY PEOPLE DONT BELIEVE THE ABOVE WILl EVER HAPPEN?
Reply #139 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am looking for someone, anyone from the left to tell me what they consider anything we as a nation has done that could be considered torture.
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Hi ModMan,

You can delete this if you wish as it's probably not what your looking for.


I'm not from the left, but for the record....we have medical torture, 4,000 going on everyday in this country in the form of abortion. Some babies have even made it through the tearing apart of limbs and the saline scalding, etc. and then when born alive have been put in a cold metal dish or back closet to die. We now have official court testimony to confirm this.
Reply #140 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think that there is a easy solution to finding out what torture is, PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU THINk I AM WRONG.

When foriegn countries start water boarding US Soldiers, ask the US Soldier if it was torture.

When foriegn countries start leaving US Soldiers in a 40 degree room for long periods , ask the US Soldier if it was torture.

When foriegn countries start leaving US Soldiers in a 90 degree, high humidity, room with a bag over their head, ask the US Soldier if it was torture.

HOW MANY PEOPLE DONT BELIEVE THE ABOVE WILl EVER HAPPEN?
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That's an interesting thought. But consider this, when American soldiers kill insurgent or innocent bystanders they are murderers. When the insurgents kill American soldiers or American civilians they are called freedom fighters. We fight by the rules and are to be monsters, they fight by no rules and are considered the victims.

I guess you are only bad if you make rules then break them as oppose to not having any rules at all.
Reply #141 from JoeUser Forums Top
That's an interesting thought. But consider this, when American soldiers kill insurgent or innocent bystanders they are murderers. When the insurgents kill American soldiers or American civilians they are called freedom fighters. We fight by the rules and are to be monsters, they fight by no rules and are considered the victims.

I guess you are only bad if you make rules then break them as oppose to not having any rules at all.
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Your right, it is very wrong for us to be called muders, maybe invaders would be a better term.

During the revolutionary war, did we fight by the rules? Did the British consider us freedom fighters?

As far as following rules, they are following the rules, not our rules, but neither are we (torture). Their rules have been around alot longer then ours, of course they are religios rules, which we hae a hard time grasping.

Besides the Geneva Convention rules, we usually follow the Standard Christian Response Rulew (hay that kind of sounds religious)

Which is Bomb, Invade, Kill, Kill, Kill. (Invade part was added fairly recently).
Reply #142 from JoeUser Forums Top
I personally define torture as the psychological or physical means to cause discomfort or pain to a prisoner. This includes freeze/heat discomfort; denial of normal rights such as food/sanitation facilities;use of water,excessive noise, electricit shock or beating to cause discomfort.

Now to the nitty gritty: It is untrue to say that America has not tortured. There is more than book that details CIA torture. I'll name them if you like but let's say this: One written account causes smoke and more than that is accusation with proof. There is ample proof that Directors Helms and Colby ordered excessive means to torture Soviet and Vietcong captives.Apart from stupid individuals who took the law into their own hands there are many instances of torture sanctioned from the highest levels.
Reply #143 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hi ModMan,

You can delete this if you wish as it's probably not what your looking for.
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I don't think you'll have to worry about that. MM's health has improved drastically and he is out living his life. He mentioned that he periodically checks these but I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for him to reply.
Reply #144 from JoeUser Forums Top
Thanks AD,
While I knew MM had slowed down, I didn't know that he was no longer actively participating here on JU. I wish the very best and pray for good health and happiness for MM and his family.

Reply #145 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hope MM's getting stronger and he's OK!
Reply #146 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hope MM's getting stronger and he's OK!
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Yes he is. He was telling me about his excursions out at the beach. It is because his health has improved he is now out enjoying life. Although I'm sure he is missed by some JUs but I am glad to know he is out living life. I'm sure that will help him to improve health as well.