I don't think it's responsible for anybody to be encouraging or enabling anybody the age of a middle schooler to be engaging in sexual intercourse.



It seems like people are outraged as well they should be, I would be very wary of sending my children to a school district where this became a reality. The stated idea that they were doing this to protect "the at risk kids" who have "irresponsible parents" is silly and really is outrageous. As if there are sufficiently mature 12 13 14 and 15 year olds, able to have the foresight to perform family planning, and in need of birth control, but yet also in need of confidentiality of the same two people who are responsible for the proper care and development of their well being is outrageous.



Kids are kids, until they are legally responsible for their behavior and actions. A small number of juniors, sexually active at their peril, peril of damaging their reproductive organs, contracting STD's, uh getting preggers lol, does not make the case for the majority needing access at that age group. It is sad that those who work in the public profession of education, have chosen to set this kind of example. Rather then engaging the students and finding out effective ways, of making the case why sexuality is not something to engage in before you can accept the consequences, physically, emotionally, and financially.

I have absolutely no pity for the women in my high school when I was attending for their situation when they got pregnant, because sexual intercourse is something you choose to do.

Does anyone here have a case for a legitimate reason for kids to be having sex, or trying to get pregnant before 18? Hell before college? Sure sex, once you know how it works, and are responsible to take care of yourself, after being 18, but does anyone really think making reasonable or educated plans for starting a family at the ripe age of 15 or 16 makes sense? Economically, education wise or in any other way?

If you can't present the facts and make a compelling case with your kids on that, I fail to see the logic or good decision making by the community, saying kids are just gonna screw anyway, and making birth control free cheap and easy, will fix that lol.

Heck, I'll take it one step further. Is there any legitimate reason why kids should "date" while they are in middle school/high school? I mean real one on one serious dating? Nowadays they feel there's something wrong with them if they don't have a significant other by the end of 8th grade.

We brought up our kids with the thought that dating wasn't even something they should be concerned with. They weren't ready for marriage so why even go there? When they were ready, dating would be something that could/would lead to a life long committment. But at 12, 13, 14, they weren't ready for all this. Why encourage it? So we encouraged group get togethers and with school, sports and work they didn't have the much time anyhow. We stressed academics and sports. Not birth control and sex.

In our case it worked. One son did date in HS (junior year) but he eventually married this same girl. My other two boys met their gals in college with one of them getting married to this same girl next spring.

But I'll tell ya, there was a push for moms to set their daughters up with our boys. I even had one mom drive her 12 year old daughter to my house inviting my son to go to the movies with them.



Absolutely agree with you on this. It's not responsible no matter how hard they try to convince us otherwise.

Agree. I don't think the actual number of an age really matters. There are some 16 year old who are ready mentally and emotionally to handle the burdens and responsibilities of an 18 or 20 year old. But financially no way. Some dead beat mom and dads in their 20's and 30's who can't.

No two average 15 16 year old children, never mind younger, are equipped with all the skills and demands to even deal with the potential of having to accept that type of responsibility.

They all seem to think it was the best thing to happen to them, I'm here to tell you not getting a girl pregnant when I was 17 or 18 was the best thing to happen to me, by far exceeding the alternative of raising a grade schooler at my present age.

To think otherwise is to encourage ideas like birth control for tweens and young teens. Grow up educators. LOL.

Yes. Do you remember what it was like at that young age? If a parent said to me...."you shouldn't do this, BUT if you choose to do this, this is what you need to do" that immediately would say to me....."I just got permission." I would hear what I wanted to hear and go with it. If my parent said, "if you do this, you WILL PAY the consequences." I would hear that loud and clear also.

The latest news tonight is there's a local movement for a recall of these school board members who voted for this.

Our local news has said very little while at the national and world wide level much has been written and broadcasted. I heard Fox News had Portland, Maine as their "Loser of the Week."

I also heard that there was an article written in a newspaper in India!! Wow.

I'm sure educators all over the nation/world are waiting and watching to see how this goes over, and it's only a matter of time before this new idea spreads.

Please, KFC, lying by omission is still lying.

'It worked.' Ok, then answer me this, why was one of your son's weddings put together in a rush because his g/f was pregnant? Obviously, it didn't work as well as you'd hoped, and your hypocrisy astounds me.

Granted, they were adults when this happened, but it still makes me throw up in my mouth a little to see you sit here bragging about your superior parenting skills and the successes you've had with your own uber-godly offspring, when reality paints a very different picture indeed.

At least one of your children had sex before marriage, sex that resulted in an unplanned pregnancy.

To expect other parents to instill values in their children that even YOU were unable to instill in your own is absurd.

KFC,

I am very sorry and disappointed to read this last post by LW. Her insistence in going down the personal attack path as if something positive is added to the discussion never fails to astonish me.

This forum is far too important to be sidelined in this manner.

I don't think LW cares whether what she added was positive or negative. I can see a case being made that the comment was relevant to this topic, and also that it wasn't.

It's relevant because KFC brought up her sons, and dating patterns for them.

It's not relevant because AFAIK, her son was not in 6th grade.

So it's a toss up. I wouldn't have brought it up, because it appears it may be more hurtful to KFC than helpful to her readers.

Also, if KFC had thought it was relevant, she would have posted it herself.

I didn't get anyone pregnant before getting married, and I've only gotten my wife pregant since. Does that make my parents better than KFC? I don't think so. My Dad's comment before I left for college was, "Don't get anybody knocked up until you're out of college."

He's normally better than that, but that's the piece of advice that I remember.

I did get my wife pregnant before I was out of college, though, so that doesn't mean parenting always works. That doesn't make a worse parent, though. Especially at the college age and beyond. Come on, they're adults now. They do get to choose for themselves.

When a kid is in middle school, they should still be supervised most of the time. Lack of parental involvement/quality at that point will lead to opportunities for sex, which could then be utilized for such purposes at the choice of the child. However, the child shouldn't HAVE those opportunities to make the choice. It shouldn't really even be on their mind at this point.

The fact is, the media and advertising shoves sex down our throats. Even with good parenting, it's impossible to keep your child from the sexualized culture we live in, especially since it's bad parenting to keep your child locked in his room.

There's sex on TV, sex in the movies, sex on billboards when you're driving on the highway, sex everywhere. The American attitude towards sex is that it is okay to like it as long as you hide that you like it, as long as you don't talk about it, as long as it's private. So America says they don't like randy shows, how dare they play Las Vegas, Two and a Half Men, How I Met Your Mother, etc. and then sits down and watches them, laughs at the sexual humor, and then go to church on Sunday and wonder why there's a lust problem in America. Yeah, I do it too. Except I know that sex isn't what our kids want, it's not what the adults want, it's just shoved down our thoats as the substitute for what we really want.

We really want maturity.

'It worked.' Ok, then answer me this, why was one of your son's weddings put together in a rush because his g/f was pregnant? Obviously, it didn't work as well as you'd hoped, and your hypocrisy astounds me.

A rush? Really? Did I ever say that? He was married at 23...AFTER he graduated from College. They dated for SIX years. Where's the rush? We are talking about 6th graders not GROWNUPS here.

My youngest son is doing EXACTLY the same as far as marriage and there's no rush. They are getting married the SAME weekend in May which is about 2 weeks after college. This is normal!! Happens all the time. David and ALY are wearing purity rings......but I know LW doesn't wish to talk about that.

ALSO.......They got pregnant DURING the engagement.....not rush. The wedding was already on the books.

But this is all an attack LW. That's what you do best. Why not talk about my other two boys who are abstinent? Because it doesn't suit YOUR purpose to slander me and my family. What's the purpose here?

So it's a toss up. I wouldn't have brought it up, because it appears it may be more hurtful to KFC than helpful to her readers.

but see that's the goal Jay. She likes to take people down, not bring them up. I'm one of her favorites to do this to. Not once, have I gone after her or her lifestyle....and I will refrain from doing so.

If I wasn't a Christian, I'd attack Christians too. I mean, just look at the hypocrisy. You know sinning is bad, but you continue to do it? For what? Well, it's like smoking. You know smoking is bad for you, but it takes a lot of effort and drive to quit. Sin is like that, only worse. You think, if nobody catches me, I won't have to talk about it or admit to it... but then you remember, usually after, that yeah, God knows, and he wants you to confess it, too. And never do it again.

Sinning might be fun once or twice, but after a couple you're just left wondering what you're doing to yourself.

I hate it, and I realize it would take a really big God to forgive me. Luckily, there is one. And I try to serve him.

Lula, lula, lula . . .

Yet you didn't see the "Coulter, Gore, and Intelligence" one important enough to not sideline it with acerbic remarks about the Talmud, slinging mud at So Daiho's faith?

That, too, smacks of hypocrisy. And hey, you know what? That's okay, as long as you'll admit it.

You can think all you want that LW's remarks were hurtful. And they were. (And that's life.) But your remarks to So Daiho were equally, if not more, hurtful.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

SanCho laying down the law.   

~Zoo

Everyone knows that slinging mud at a topic is different than slinging mud at specific people. Slinging mud at a topic is part of a thread, slinging mud at a specific person is side-tracking and mean.

I fail to see the relevance in your example!

Now, if she had gone on about how Sodaiho did x and y etc. that would be off topic!

Or we could just stop playing in the dirt...unless it's really fun.

~Zoo

It's one thing to sling mud at the subject of the OP (which you could say Whip was doing, and quite well). It's another thing entirely to hijack the thread to purposely smear someone else's belief system (which is what Lula has done on So Daiho's). Besides, slinging mud at one's religious beliefs - often our most precious - is usually seen as a personal attack.

I fail to see the relevance of your protest!

how did this go from caring about the kiddies to hate attacks.

The answer must be that caring about the kiddies breeds hate.

Nobody cares about the childrens.

It's all just a pile of faulty emotional appeal. Ah, inductive fallacies - not your momma's debating style.

how did this go from caring about the kiddies to hate attacks.

good question. Actually it fits in quite well with my latest topic about Satan being a liar. He'll do anything to take the focus on what he's doing and place it on someone or something else.

Let's get back to the topic. Like I said there's a movement for a recall of these school board members. Do you think it's justified or not? What would you do if you had a child in this school? Speak out, speak to your child, or just ignore the whole thing?

yes





i wouldn't have a child in that school.

Isn't everyone a liar at some point?

~Zoo

Not me, liar!

yes, and that only means one thing......if you get my drift   

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As you yourself said, LW, "Nuff said about that situation".

Enough already. Time out. Please, let's move on. This forum is about sixth graders getting birth control...a very weighty and timely topic.

Ah, damn...I'm Satan.

~Zoo

satan can and does use lies. but his best trick is to use the truth as often as possible.


take gene almost everything he says is right but he uses it to attack the wrong people thus they become wrong.