U.S. HOMICIDES RIVAL WAR'S DEATH TOLL

We Should Invite The U.N. To Tame Our Cities

Though the United States has declared an end to its major assult on the government of Saddam Hussien, loyalists to the old regime have continued to menace the clean- up and rebuilding operations of the coalition. These parasites have suddenly found themselves living worse off than the poor wretched common people of Iraq that they had formerly dominated. Hiding underground, unable to work and secure a way to meet a good living standard for their families, they have reverted to the obstruction of peace by cowardly dressing in civilian's clothing and setting booby traps and snares throughout the country to try and derail any chance of hope for the new Iraq. They know they are done, washed up through, finished. So, with their backs against the wall and all hope lost, they have still decided not to go down without one last fight.
What a sad bunch they are too. Resorting to attacks on the Red Cross, new young police recruits, innocent school children, hotels, with their suicide missions. Yes they have successfully pulled off some of their dastardly deeds and have even managed to achieve their goal of maming and even murdering quite a few people. To date some two hundred have been killed since the cease fire.
To some degree they have also managed to pull off their ultimate goal. Which is to to intimidate and strike fear into people who are trying to unite against them and create a decent life for themselves and their families. Even some clear back here at home in the good ole U.S.A. are beginning to get somewhat antsy about the situation. How quickly they seem to lose confidence. Even after they saw how rapidly their brave men and women moved right in and tossed out Saddam and arrested so many of his devlish emps. They witnessed the statues of Saddam being toppled over in the streets of Baghdad and the Iraqi people so jubilantly celebrating the great fall of their oppressors.
Some of the folks in England then had the gumption to create a statue of our beloved president, George W. Bush and make a mockery of that most memorable day of a beginning of new freedom. They are just about as bad as the loyalists of the former Saddam regime, trying to fool people into thinking that they are just regular citizens. The people in London who were demonstrating wanted the world to think that they were average Joe citizens of the United Kingdom too but we all knew who they really were, those "Bloody Commies" left over from the old Bolshevik Party.
But as each day passes and more and more parish, more and more we hear it. "Bring in the United Nations. We need more peace keeping forces. Our mission is failing," and on and on.
Now lets take a look at some of the facts... Since the war began, somewhere around March 19th 2003, there have been 505 confirmed coalition deaths. 434 of those have been American, 53 British, 17 Italian, and 1 Polish.
Now some 200 of these casualties have come since the major offensive by the coalition was declared ended. Hence the call to usher in the United Nations to help keep the peace.
Now lets take a look at just one of our dear states in these united States. Lets have a peek at Ohio, since thats my home state. No, lets not even look at the entire state, lets just have a look at it's three major cities. I like to call them "The 3 C's" Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Columbus.
Looking back on this year from 01/01/03 to 06/07/03 (a 21 week peroid of time) Here is the number of homicides or out right murders that took place. Cincinnati had 30, Cleveland had 35, and Columbus (poor ole "Cow Town") had the most with a wooping 47 for a total of 112 killings in the 21 week period.
Now for a look at the entire year of 2002. Cincinnati had 66, Columbus had 81, and Cleveland had 89 for a total in the year 2002 of 236 random killings in only 3 cities of our (peaceful, law abiding) United States.Throw in Indianapolis and it would bring the total for the 4 cities to 319 random killings for the year 2002. Now mind you I am only talking about 4 cities here. These are not traffic related deaths or drug overdoses. These are out right killings, homicides, slayings, with guns, knives, or what have you. What would this death toll be raised to if we added in every large city and small town? Maybe we should invite the U.N. to come over here and tame our cities and communities in this country before signing on in Iraq. Or better yet, why aren't some of our good and brave soldiers not out patrolling on Main Street U.S.A. to keep crime here to a minimum? Where are the people crying out to help us here?
We really do need to stop worring so much about whats going on over in Iraq and let our troops do their jobs. They are doing a wonderful job as compared to the job we are doing here at home for ourselves. Are we too busy looking through the screens of our television sets to see whats going on over in Iraq that we have no time to look out the windows of our own back doors? It seems that all we mainly do here is allow the terrorist people to accomplish what they have set out to do and that is to do nothing more than strike fear into our hearts and minds and fear my friends, breeds nothing but failure.
To view a list of all our casualties of war and all the latest updates, please go to: www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/
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Reply #1 Top
I agree, seeing Britain host an event as pathetic as 100,000 Bolshevik thugs toppling a statue of Bush in the heart of London was sad, the good news is that the hooligan statue toppers are not the voice of Britain. The UK is a place where Britons faced the Nazi empire alone, the British are a people that arguably may have been all that stood in between Nazism and democracy, to see 100,000 supposed UK citizens adulating and supporting terrorists, while they topple a mock statue of a US president was distressing.
Reply #2 Top
"Some of the folks in England then had the repugnance to create a statue of our beloved president, George W. Bush and make a mockery of that most memorable day of a beginning of new freedom."

Those bastards! How dare they exercise their right to free speech when I don't agree with what they have to say!

Damn them! Damn them all to HELL!!!
Reply #3 Top
Abe Cubbage: Are you saying people shouldn't have the right to criticize others for their points of view? If that's the case, then you shouldn't criticize people for exercising their right to free speech as well.
The Nazis might have the right to speak about the evils of Jews, but that doesn't mean I can't criticize and condemn them. Freedom of speech works both ways.
Reply #4 Top
Are you criticizing me for criticizing someone who is criticizing others?

Get it?
Reply #5 Top
Anthony R. -- "The UK is a place where Britons faced the Nazi empire alone, the British are a people that arguably may have been all that stood in between Nazism and democracy, to see 100,000 supposed UK citizens adulating and supporting terrorists, while they topple a mock statue of a US president was distressing."

Do you really think that these 100k 'supposed UK citizens' support terrorists just because they toppled a statue of Bush?

GemCityJoe -- "Some of the folks in England then had the repugnance to create a statue of our beloved president, George W. Bush and make a mockery of that most memorable day of a beginning of new freedom. They are just about as bad as the loyalists of the former Saddam regime, trying to fool people into thinking that they are just regular citizens. The people in London who were demonstrating wanted the world to think that they were average Joe citizens of the United Kingdom too but we all knew who they really were, those "Bloody Commies" left over from the old Bolshevik Party."

It seems that you both are jumping to conclusions here and speculating quite a lot. It's just as much speculation assuming these people are 'commies' as it is to call Bush 'beloved.' Perhaps these 100k 'supposed UK citizens' have some misgivings, just like millions in the US do. Or would you call those millions 'supposed US citizens' because they don't see Bush as 'beloved'?

It's getting tiresome reading and listening to the berating done to protesters and demonstraters simply because they aren't agreeable. Most of the time there is no thought behind it at all, just, "Those demonstraters are commies."
Reply #6 Top
These are not just generalizations, here's just the essence of who these people are,


“The coalition has a steering committee of 33 members.
Of these, 18 come from various hard left groups: Communists, Trotskyites, Maoists, and Castrists [No, folks, not in favor of castration - lovers of Castro].
Three others belong to the radical wing of the Labour party.
The remaining four are leftist ecologists known as 'Watermelons' (Green outside, red inside).”
Reply #7 Top
Let us be realistic for a second here. I will give you that Ohio has maybe half the population of Iraq (11.5M to 22.6M about) but then don't you think that if Ohio was invaded and we were not able to be beat the invaders out right that we would resort to the same tactics? Not the exact same of couse (most Americans aren't really that crazy about blowing themselves and their children up) but a guerrilla style engagement? If we could kill the same number of OUR people with half the population how many of theirs could we kill if they were invading our soil? Of course, everyone would be happy that the "Bush Empire of Tyranny" would be throwen out but then, "everyone" was happy that Saddam was given the boot.

Plus, all you people who were saying "No no, don't go in there alone USA, we'll help you work out a peaceful alternative." Well, guess what? Now you get to help restore peace now that we've done the hard work for you. Ohhh, what's the matter? All your soliders are being blown up? You wanted to help...
Reply #8 Top
wait until the Shia realize that all this democracy talk is just a bunch of lies. then the real trouble will start. they´re quiet until now as they still hope for democratic elections ... they should really know better if they look to Afghanistan where an US controlled muppet governs the city of Kabul. ;)
Reply #9 Top
Moshi,

do you actually believe that the Iraqi shiites will be upset if the democracy introduced by the US in Iraq won't live up to European and American left-wing exspectations? I don't think they are quite as decadent as that. Many people on this world have worse problems than an American-type democracy and no hope of rescue. My bet would be that the Iraqi shiites will be very happy with ANY government as long as it doesn't kill their people as Saddam's did.

And while we are at it, how do YOU know it's all a bunch of lies? Who told you, of all people? Why is it always the nuts who believe they can see through the propaganda?

But you are right about one thing, they SHOULD know better if they look to Afghanistan, wher for the first time in decades at least some regions enjoy a situation resembling peace.


Gamefreak,

you need to learn about the difference between a guerilla and a terrorist. Guerillas attack military targets, not everything in sight. They also usually wear uniforms and behave like legitimate participants in a war. Arab terrorists are different beasts. Stop pretending that the terrorists are just like any other fighting group, they are not. They are animals and it was their choice.

And I doubt that many Americans would be happy if Bush's "tyranny" would be thrown out by invaders. But maybe you have simply not yet realized what exactly the problem with Saddam was, could that be it?
Reply #10 Top
First of all, you can't please everyone. No matter what a President does, you won't find 100% support from an entire nation.
I'm of an age where I still do not feel like an adult, or even mature yet..But can't most of you "adults" grow up a little and realize criticism will not solve the problem?
Either it's "I love Bush" or "I Hate Bush"..But where's ANY patriotism? How about, "Right now he's the President. He may not be here in the next election. Why don't we be unified in our efforts, achieve the goal (Because you can't Stop him by whining on TV), and when it is his term to leave office, do not re-elect him!"

We all have a Responsibility to each other. Our government is there because we placed it there for us. Wrong or right, we should be together. I don't remember the saying as going "One for themselves, All for just me!" But I do remember, "Together we stand, Divided we Fall"

Another problem is the stereotyping. All I see is "Stupid American Cowboys", "Filthy Unwashed Europeans", "Terroist Towelheads!". First of all, I haven't seen a cowboy except on TV. (Yes, I am American). Second of all, people have poor hygien regardless of their nationality. Some people just do not bathe. *ick*

All in all, think about it before you participate in mudracking. "Let he without sin toss the first stone."
I hardly think any of us are in a place to point fingers.

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Reply #11 Top
Andrew: Of course they wouldn't be happy if Bush's "tyranny" was kicked out, it is sarcasm. Second off, if that really did happen and we struck at the enemy without wearing uniforms and such as you mentioned, would be then be terrorists? I'm not in anyway trying to defend the blowing up of civilians or anyone for that matter, simply trying to illustrate that yes, "we" kill our own more than "they" kill our troops but the circumstances are such that they are hard if not impossible to compare to.
Reply #12 Top
BRAVO ANDREW !!!!! You have saved my tired fingures from quite a few clicks with your response. I could not have put it more eloquently myself. As for the "Bush Tyranny," we shall find out all who are opposed in one more year at the polls. If this is tyranny, I say give us five more years of it because, I for one am loving it. GCJ
Reply #13 Top
As I have said before, it is SARCASIM. I belive in no way that Bush is running a "tyranny", I was merley trying to throw it in the face of people who hate Bush.


"Of course, everyone would be happy that the "Bush Empire of Tyranny" would be throwen out but then, "everyone" was happy that Saddam was given the boot."

Basically trying to say that not everyone would be happy if Bush was throwen out just like not everyone was happy in Iraq. Thus, we have people blowing up our troops and such. This is comparing it back to the scenario I mentioned and that there would be people in our counrty who would resist any invaders.

Sorry if you guys didn't get that the way I intended it to be, must be my funky wording or late night typing or something =D
Reply #14 Top
Gamefreak,

it would have been sarcasm, if anyone had ever claimed that "everyone" in Iraq was happy about Saddam's removal. We know that most are. And nothing else was claimed. If anybody said "everyone", this is what they refered to.

Sarcasm is a difficult beast and one often uses it too quickly, before there is even a target to base it on. You seem to have made that mistake and that's why people ignored your joke.


GemCityJoe,

Thank you. :-)
Reply #15 Top
Hmmm, I really don't quite understand what you're saying. Maybe reword it a bit?

"Of course, everyone would be happy that the "Bush Empire of Tyranny" would be throwen out but then, "everyone" was happy that Saddam was given the boot."

The "everyone" is refering to those who weren't so happy and are now blowing up Red Cross buildings. Maybe it should be reworded to this:

"Of course, everyone would be happy that the "Bush Empire of Tyranny" would be throwen out JUST LIKE "everyone" was happy that Saddam was given the boot."
Reply #16 Top
Gamefreak,

the point is that sarcasm doesn't work if it is used against a strawman. Nobody claims that "everyone" is happy with the removal of Saddam. In fact one of the reasons to remove him was that many people would very specifically NOT be happy with his removal, namely Palestinian terrorists and Saddam's fascists and others.

Reply #17 Top
Gotcha.
Reply #18 Top
OK, Cave man say;
Bush good.
Commie bad.
War good.
Street crime bad.
UN bad.
Terrorist bad.
Guerrilla Good.
Islam bad.
French bad.
USA good. ( except big cities in Ohio )
Dyno kinda understands now?
Reply #19 Top
I have a similar opinion about this issue. The loss of lifes due to homicide in USA ( or in other countries) is many times
higher than the number of USA war casualties in Iraq.
This is a known fact ! (?) - the hypocrite media can not sell it, can it? (600 people killed in only 1 town in 2003?. Well, what can we do about it?. Could have been worse! Will anybody pay for debating this matter? This is not news!....Come on ! )
It 's just MONEY ,Gentlemen, in 99.99% of their writings,talk shows etc. They are "covering the subject" ! And what else more?
If they would really care about life, they should start the work in their very neighbourhood.
By the way, how many people have been killed in USA, home,in 2003 ?
Reply #20 Top
Way too many, you can be certain of that. GCJ