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I am going to die, one day whether it be today, tomorrow or sixty years down the line. I will die. This concept used to scare the hell out of me, I mean where do you go, what happens? Is that it, nothingness for eternity. I don't have religious beliefs. I don't believe in certain things, because the truth is, I don't really know. I don't know what will happen till I die. To believe I will return to earth in another capacity is just not possible. Because though it could possibley happen, I just think it's something to make me feel better. That it's a comforting hand on my shoulder, but I'm not filling myself with things that might not be true. Forget that. I'd rather face the harsh reality, that it is something i don't know, and face the fear that goes with that, and I have done. I've been scared with the thought of it, I have feared it, and now I have accepted it. I am not scared of death. I am not scared of dying. I know it's going to happen one day, and I accept it.

I am scared of losing people around me. Their deaths I haven't quite accepted just yet. I have only really dealt with the death of someone close to me once. My grandparents died when I was very young, so I didn't have to deal with that. When I was nine my cousin died. He was fourteen. Even at nine years old, I knew that was a huge waste of a life. He used to babysit me. I looked up to him quite a bit. He went to the beach with his Dad and brothers. It was the summer holidays. Someone had dug a big hole in the sand, and my cousin climbed in it, and dug some more. The hole started to collapse in on him, until it was impossible for him to get out. My uncle clawed at the sand with his hands. It was to late my cousin was dead. At his funeral the thing that was most upsetting looking back, was his school friends. He went to a catholic school, most of my family are pretty religious. They were all there in school uniform their whole lives in front of them, but that was it for him, over. Incredibley sad. My Uncle never dealt with the guilt, he disappeared. He died a few years later. He never returned to being the person he was before my cousin died. Upon finding out that my cousin was dead, his Mum, had a huge nervous breakdown. It took her a long time to recover. She did though, in her own way. She had another baby very soon after, and named him after my cousin. For some reason that always creeped me out. I was nine, so dealing with it wasn't really a huge thing. One day he was there, and one day he wasn't. I missed him at first, but life went on, for me at least.

I think now about how I would deal with the death of someone I loved. I don't honestly know, I don't think I would handle it very well. I'm not good at showing emotion at the best of times. How is it I can accept my death, but not the death of those I love? I would be angry they were taken away from me. Heartbroken at all the things I hadn't said to them. I'd cry where no one could see me. How do you cope when your world is built around someone, and then they are cruely taken away from you? My Auntie didn't really mourn my Uncle when he died. She'd done it along time before. His spirit died with my cousin. She knew where it was heading. Is it easier when you're prepared for it? So you don't have that shock? Or is it worse just waiting for it to happen. Feeling helpless, wishing you could do something to help. At least you can say all the things you want to. Make peace. I think about what would happen if my sister died. We don't speak anymore, and if she went, with me feeling like this towards her, the guilt would eat me up. Is that good enough reason to make peace with her, or is it just selfish? I say I don't want her in my life, but I like to have the choice. For her to be just taken away from me, would break my heart. Just like it would for anyone I loved.

At times like that I'm sure having beliefs really helps. As long as it doesn't make you question them, the beliefs should make you strong. Should give you reason and hope. I always think that, that religion must be such a strong attribute to have. Not for me, to take on religion like that would be like marrying a man I didn't love. Getting all the securities, but not giving myself fully to it, not fully trusting it. I would feel like I was cheating. Looking for an easy way out. Looking for some hope, but not really believing it. I couldn't do that. Maybe I shouldn't compare religion to a marriage. I just think it's something you give yourself totally too. Total commitment. I have great respect for people that do. That their beliefs are that strong. Mine aren't though. I believe in myself. I believe I have guidance. Of course. I just don't know what that is. Maybe one day I will find out. Who knows what will happen. I know we can't live our lives scared of death. Because it will catch us sooner or later. We just need to embrace it with no regrets.
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hi, how are you doing? I hope all is well. It’s nice to see you back Sally. It’s a fascinating discussion this one, not everybody’s cup of tea, but we can carry it on until we’ve either had enough or got bored. Whether that’s tomorrow or next year for some, doesn’t really matter.

We should trust ourselves … To be right by our standards, not anybody elses … I follow my heart … it's the one I trust the most


I don’t think that anybody could speak a higher truth than those words Sally. When we hear other views, it will serve us to weight them up, and choose for ourselves whether to adhere to them and trust them or not. After all, that's what it's all about.

Crusader, I loved your comments, and I agree with them all. I’ll share what I know and will attempt to answer your questions.

What of animals and all the other millions of creatures in the world other than ourselves, what of their souls..their essence of being..are they part of the same cycle of existence as us?


Yes, I believe that the inner-essence of all animals is spirit. Ultimately, the inner-essence of everything is rooted in spirit. But what’s the difference between animals and humans? From a materialistic point of view, the difference between animals and humans appears minimal. Yet from a spiritual point of view, the difference is far greater. Human beings possess self-awareness and higher faculties which enable us to reflect upon life’s purpose, and freely orient our energies toward goodness, love and understanding. These higher faculties are spiritual and 'divine'.

So how does this fit in with evolution, incidentally? We can appreciate that before the arrival of the first human being, an ape-like species evolved, which possessed mere ‘animal-consciousness’, devoid of divine faculties. Only when the higher, divine souls were breathed into earthly bodies did human beings enter the world's arena, who were created "in the image and likeness of God".

When animals die, they too pass over to the Other Side. Heaven is simply a place where life continues forever, only in a different form, more ‘true’ to its real nature than physical form. (Physical matter is merely a different form of energy that has ‘crystallised’ into a more dense form than its forebear spirit.)

Ultimately, everything is rooted in spirit. Evolution, for example, is a process whereby physical matter patterns itself upon invisible forms of information. This information is not physical. It is more akin to spirit. In other words, the unfolding of life on earth is really an expression, or a manifestation, of a grand Idea. The whole universe is one such Idea, which was conceived originally in the Mind of God. It subsequently became manifest as a physical realm by God’s “Word”. (Our Christian religion expresses this principle clearly: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. … And God said, ‘Let there be light’.” - John 1.1; Genesis 1.3)

This instant of Creation was our universe’s “Big Bang”.

do we have days..?.. Do we have nights..? Do we sleep..?...


No, because time doesn’t exist in Heaven. We don’t need sleep because we don’t exert or lose energy in the same manner as we do in these crude earthly bodies. As to the issue of days and nights, “time” as we experience it on earth is exclusively bound to physical realms such as our universe. The sun and the moon don’t exist in Heaven, because all light emanates from the Real Source. Everything in Heaven is more vibrant and of a more beautiful hue than things on earth. At Home, we relish in an eternal-now, and the so-called passing of “time” is felt only by our subjective states of being. (See, I told you that this stuff will be difficult to grasp).

do we still play sport...write and read......or do we simply meditate all day ?


Yes to all of those. Heaven is a tangible place, ordered and harmonious - a literal Paradise. We can socialise, go for walks, study, meditate, procreate, play games. It is our real Home, where we are at our most alive and vibrant. Heaven has gardens and natural wonders which display a beauty that cannot be expressed in words. Apart from God’s natural wonders, there are also countless other things in Heaven created by souls like us – mansions, pieces of art, concert halls, towns. But because of its nature and substance, Heaven cannot really be compared to life on earth. It can’t even be described in human language without sounding somewhat strange. (Although it’s not “strange” at all. It’s our Home - even more 'real' than earth. It is only strange from within the context of our limited earthly minds).

The Spirit World presently eludes our worldly scientific endeavours, not only because it exists in a different dimension, (actually closer to us than we might think), but also because it exists at a higher vibrational frequency than physical matter. To most humans, the existence of Paradise sounds like a pipe dream. But ironically, that’s all part of the plan. These things are secret for a very good reason.

If you personally believe that we are cosmic accidents in a purposeless universe, that all is death and finality, and that God doesn’t even exist, then that point of view is perfect for your present stage of spiritual growth and awareness. There is nothing “wrong” with that point of view, ironically.

It has indeed taken the highest form of innovation and intelligence for God to place us in a realm where it’s possible for us to actually believe that we are “small”, “alone” and “worthless.” Such concepts are incoherent in Heaven. Yet they exist in order for us to acquire the full scope of wisdom, and to provide us with challenges that can be overcome from within - thus providing opportunities for optimum growth, maturity and inner-muscle building. Once we have lived in a harsh life in a broken world like earth, and have truly believed that this is the be all and end all, then we are able to fully appreciate the wonder and security of our eternal lives in Paradise.

Because of the route of progression and learning that we ourselves have freely chosen, our earthly minds are deliberately veiled from our Divine estate. (This principle is described as “the Fall of Man”, or “the Separation”, by our religious traditions.) Whilst clothed in the human costume, we are able to experience strange things such as “fear”, “pain”, “loneliness”, “ugliness”, “insecurity” and the old chestnut “death”. But the good news is that it’s all an illusion. And a profound one at that. Deep down, our heart already knows this, and once we get in touch with the wisdom of our heart, rather than the cleverness of our head, we can begin to know the truth, which will set us free.

If any of this sounds a tad dogmatic, then I must apologise. I’d like to think that it’s no more dogmatic than anyone else’s point of view.

Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you again. Keep safe, I’ll catch you later,

Andy

(I hate to do this, but I need to protect this stuff as I've taken some bits from my book)...

Copyright © 2004 Andrew Baker All rights reserved. September 29, 2004
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
(I got caught out by that double page thing again. Just deleted this one!)
Ashes of the Singularity II
Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hi Sally!

Hey guys! I'm still here, reading what you two are writing. I just don't feel I have that much to add.

Glad you're still around.....but missing your opinion.....c'mon Sally...you always have something great to add!!

Actually, I have just popped in momentarily as I propbably wont be around til next week and wanted to let you know that I haven't bailed!

I hope when I come back that there's a lot to read between the two of you.

Hope life is good to you both and that health and happiness is always a big part of your life!
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
(Laugh)

I did it again....didn't realize that you were on to page two. Didn't see you there Andy!

I'll have to come back and have a proper read of what you have written, Andy.....very short on time right now.
See you both soon.....oh and have a good weekend!
Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sally sweetheart, are you still around? I hope to hear from you again. I’ve still got lots of stuff bubbling up inside me regarding this topic, so I can’t help but give vent to it on your thread. I hope you don’t mind, and that it’s not getting too boring.

I’m excited to know that the next phase of human evolution, (over the next few centuries or so), is psychic intuition and spiritual awareness. The implications of this will be profound. It will mean that ‘Mrs. Smith’, the humble lady who lives down the street, will possess more knowledge of Ultimate Reality, (i.e. answers to the deepest questions of life), than our world’s greatest scientists. The latter will be bound to the limited scope of the intellect, which assumes that our five senses are the finest key to knowledge; whilst the former will be in touch with the wisdom of the heart, which will have blossomed to such a stage as to allow one to have glimpsed the infinite Wisdom of God.

Mrs. Smith will know that love and humility are the greatest powers in the world, and that a “child like faith” is all we need to grasp answers to life’s deepest questions. But our materialist scientists will still be assuming that “survival of the fittest”, and principles of “might is right” are the real route to success and prosperity, and that this physical realm is the be all and end all.

If humanity can survive the transition into adulthood, then the pressure of the Truth will continue rising to the top. Consequently, more and more people will reach the same wavelength as our dear Mrs. Smith. This global-consciousness will lead humanity to grow sceptical of our worldly tutors, (i.e. materialist scientists and some of our egotistical politicians), and our present materialistic model of the world will eventually become antiquated. We will begin to know that there is something more to life, that we have nothing to fear, and that there is a divine plan, leading toward an all-wise and beneficent end.

Sally babe, as to the title of your blog, “I'm going to die”, all I can say from my own perspective is that no you aren’t. You will be around for all eternity my sweetheart, and that’s not a bad thing, considering the nature of the bigger picture.

But whatever our beliefs, whatever our doubts, and whatever our inner state, we can begin to find better self-acceptance and inner peace by learning to love ourself, to trust ourself, and to find our sanctuary within. We don’t need God in our life, and neither do we need to find ‘Mr or Mrs Right’ in order to be content and at peace. We only need ourself, integrity, and self-love. The rest will follow.

I hope this doesn’t get interpreted as “preaching”. As I said before, this stuff has been bubbling inside me for years, and I can’t really talk about it in the real world, as it’s just not the type of thing to discuss. What better way to give vent to it verbally than a chat forum in JU?

Anyway, I hope you’re enjoying your weekend. Keep safe, I’ll catch you later,

Andy
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hi, where did you both go? Looks like I really killed the thread this time. Was I being too dogmatic?

Anyway, I hope all is well. I'll catch you another time,

Andy
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hi, where did you both go? Looks like I really killed the thread this time. Was I being too dogmatic?

Anyway, I hope all is well. I'll catch you soon,

Andy
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hi, I didn’t want to leave without saying bye bye. Thanks for having me on board for a while. It’s been a unique experience for me, and it’s great to find a place where people can share their thoughts and express their views unabashedly. I’ve loved meeting you people, and even though it’s time for me to go, I’ll definitely see you again in a better place.

Remember there’s a real world out there, (and I’m not talking about earthly life), and all the stuff we face in this world is excellent fodder for the soul - even if it doesn’t seem that way in the midst of it - as you’ll find out one day for real.

Stay safe, and keep the cockles in your heart warm.

With all my love, Andy x
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
Andy! I'm here, why are you going? Don't you read my articles anymore? I will miss you!!!!!! Please stay
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
Don't go, Andy....I have just had a lot going on in my life lately but could probablly continue this converstation for the rest of my life!
I have even more questions about life after death .....my Nanna died this week and well...I was hoping to ask you where you imagined she'd be...to set my mind at ease.....sigh...my Nanna was ninety six so she definately lived a long fulfilled life but....it is hard to come to terms with the finality of her not being in our lives any more....I miss her...
I've spent this week with my parents ....in times like these it is important to pull together as a family and since my brothers and sister couldn't be here as they are all scattered around the globe and my Nanna was really the last of her era having long outlived everyone else and anyone who is left is in England and too old or ill to travel ...there was really just Mum, Dad, myself, my partner and our son....Mum was really quite upset that there wouldn't be more people to see her off.
We had her funeral yesterday and I have cried and cried and cried...I just find it difficult to come to terms with the fact that she is gone forever.
When we were standing around her casket I just wanted to give her once last big hug like I would never let go .......but I didn't want to mess her hair and make up.....and well I could see that she was not there ...that is was a mere husk of who she had been and .........

I hope you come back and check on us Andy.....it's just a little hard to find time sometimes so I'll just let you know now that even if I'm gone for a few weeks or a month I'll be back eventually as I'm sure Sallly will (not presuming Sally but I feel that you find this as interesting as myself!)
I could quite easily keep coming back here for years and years as this is a topic I don't think we could exhaust too quickly.

Sally....Andy....thankyou for having me as part of this conversation and I hope we keep it going for a long time to come.
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hi Crusaders and Andy (hopefully )

I'm so sorry to hear about your Nanna. At least she had a long life, and you had the chance to see that. Death is such a difficult thing to deal with, you always think about the things you should of done, rather than remembering the things you actually did do. If you want to talk about it, or anything I am more than willing to listen . When people die, I think their spirit lives on. In everyday life. They are still a apart of you. She is still apart of you.

You are more than right I am enjoying this conversation. I just like to think about it and give it the attention it deserves and I will keep returning to it. I'm sure Andy will return too. How can he resist us two lovely ladies, hehe. .

Take care hunny, and I will check back soon!
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hi Sally and Crusader, how are you? I’m glad to see you’re still here. Sally, yes, I love your articles and read them when I can. I assumed I’d said enough and that you’d both had enough of this stuff though. Also I haven’t had much spare time and thought it might be the best thing to do.

Crusader, I’m sorry to hear about your Nanna. But you already know the answer to your question (where she might be). Your Nanna is alive and happy in Heaven. She’s exercising her new found freedom and zest, and relishing in the truth that we don’t die. Of course, deep down you already know this. All you need to do is search your heart, and you will find answers and a wisdom that will resonate with truth.

I just find it difficult to come to terms with the fact that she is gone forever


The only place she’s gone to forever is back Home. It’s good news, this life lark, you know. Understandably, when loved ones die, we need to give vent to our grief as naturally as possible for as long as it takes. But just remember that your Nanna is closer to you than you might know, she can see you and loves you always, and from her point of view, it will only be a blink of an eye before you can see her again and can give her a big proper hug.

When we were standing around her casket I just wanted to give her once last big hug like I would never let go .......but I didn't want to mess her hair and make up.....and well I could see that she was not there ...that is was a mere husk of who she had been and .........


Yes, it is just a husk, this earthly body of ours. She’s got a more beautiful and vibrant body now, mind. But it’s amazing to think that some people truly believe that these physical bodies are all we are. Bits of flesh and bone - inanimate matter - and nothing else. Your Nanna will no doubt find it most endearing that some of us don’t believe in the hereafter. But she also knows that it’s only because we’re not yet ready.

Death is such a difficult thing to deal with, you always think about the things you should of done, rather than remembering the things you actually did do.


That’s so true Sally. It’s only ourselves who cling onto those feelings of guilt, or who may worry about the ‘what ifs’ of life. For the person who has passed over, they simply see us through loving eyes, and become aware that any situation can be reconciled, that there are infinite opportunities ahead which can deepen and expand the bond between loved ones (regardless of what happened between them in the last life), and that life and love continue forever.

If you want to talk about it, or anything I am more than willing to listen


Too right Sally. To express grief in words - writing or talking - is often a good way to release it. We'll be here for you whatever Crusader.

Andy will return too. How can he resist us two lovely ladies, hehe


You’re right Sally. It’s the third time I’ve tried to spring away, only to be pulled back in. But it shows what warm hearts do to me.

Anyway, it’s good to chat with you again. I hope you have a good week. I’ll catch you soon,

Andy x
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
I assumed I’d said enough and that you’d both had enough of this stuff though


Hey Andy, I'm good thanks. Hope you are ok! I haven't had enough of this at all, and I love your insight!

Too right Sally. To express grief in words - writing or talking - is often a good way to release it. We'll be here for you whatever Crusader.


I find writing exercises alot of my demons. I get so much out through my blog, I'm sure sometimes I appear insane, but I view it as therapy.

It’s the third time I’ve tried to spring away, only to be pulled back in. But it shows what warm hearts do to me.


Hehe, I am very glad you are back Andy!
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hello Sally, Andy,
I must say it's good to see you both here!! In fact it's absolutely great as I feel like we're developing a great friendship and you have both become endeared in my heart. There are people in life that you just seem to click with and others you just don't and I believe you two belong in the former for me.

I'm so sorry to hear about your Nanna. At least she had a long life, and you had the chance to see that.


Thanks Sally...and you're right ..she had a good long life and she was a wonderful person who's legacy was passed down through the generations as she taught her daughter to be a compassionate, loving, caring person who then taught her children to be the same and it is a big part of who I am today and who my children will be as I teach them what I have learnt....and so on and so on....down the generations a part of her will live forever here with us.

Death is such a difficult thing to deal with, you always think about the things you should of done, rather than remembering the things you actually did do.

Yes...I was putting myself through the things I wish I had done rather than thinking of the things I had. Nanna died Tuesday evening (at this point I did not know) and Wednesday morning I headed off to be with her as we all knew it would not be long and I kept thinking 'If only I had gone to see her on Tuesday' but I forgot all the times I had gone to spend time with her frequently of late.

If you want to talk about it, or anything I am more than willing to listen

Thanks again Sally....it's nice to know you care and are there to listen if need be.

When people die, I think their spirit lives on. In everyday life. They are still a apart of you. She is still apart of you.

Nanna is and always will be a big part of me as she was when she was here she will continue to be as she taught us a lot about life through her experiences and she is big part of the reason I am who I am today.

You are more than right I am enjoying this conversation. I just like to think about it and give it the attention it deserves and I will keep returning to it. I'm sure Andy will return too. How can he resist us two lovely ladies, hehe. .

I could tell you are as intrigued and interested as myself with this conversation and it definately is hard not to return to. Yes, Andy, how can you resist us two lovely ladies?!

Crusader, I’m sorry to hear about your Nanna.

Thanks Andy. I am feeling a little better now that I have gotten over the shock and have had time to think. Though I don't think I would be feeling as good if I hadn't had the opportunity to speak with you here and hear what you know.

But just remember that your Nanna is closer to you than you might know, she can see you and loves you always, and from her point of view, it will only be a blink of an eye before you can see her again and can give her a big proper hug.

Now...I kind of feel a bit silly telling you this but I know you will not laugh at me or pull a face.....but I was thinking about Nanna the day after she died...just sitting outside by myself and I said 'Nanna if you can hear me in any sense can you let me know that you are ok....give me some kind of sign that everything is alright...a storm or something that I can see and know' .....and it's probablly a big coincidence ...but there was a big lightning storm late Wednesday night .....Andy, is it possible that is was a sign or a big coincidence and wishful thinking on my part?

Yes, it is just a husk, this earthly body of ours. She’s got a more beautiful and vibrant body now, mind. But it’s amazing to think that some people truly believe that these physical bodies are all we are. Bits of flesh and bone - inanimate matter - and nothing else.

I have always felt of our bodies more as vessels for what really matters and although it is important to respect and look after your body I think it is a shame how our society has given people the wrong idea and people can become obsessed with how they look rather than how they are thinking and feeling and being. I hope that one day people see the real importance in our lives while we are here.

and that life and love continue forever.

Ah....life and love continueing forever ...what a beautiful concept.

Too right Sally. To express grief in words - writing or talking - is often a good way to release it. We'll be here for you whatever Crusader.

It has helped me having had spent time here with you both speaking of this subject before Nanna passed and I'm sure it will help me at any time to know I have two caring people willing to listen....and I hope you both know that I will be here to do the same if you are in need.

Thanks Sally, Andy for the kind words and please call me Care.....the least I can do for your kindness is to offer my name in return.
Stay healthy and happy and will be seeing (writing) you soon.
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hi Sally and Care, how are you doing? I hope you’ve had a good week. I would have written earlier but I really haven’t had the chance this week.

“Care”? What a nice name! What’s is it short for? Or is that your full name? Can we call you Care Bear?

I find writing exercises alot of my demons. I get so much out through my blog, I'm sure sometimes I appear insane, but I view it as therapy


I agree Sally babe. Writing can be an excellent form of therapy. Writing alone is therapeutic enough, but the good thing about JU is that you get to share views and hear other people’s, and have a good chat to boot. And I’m sure we all have moments when we think we appear insane to others. But everybody is somebody else’s weirdo, as the saying goes, which is why we shouldn’t worry if people think we’re off the wall. We don’t need to base our sense of self-worth upon other people’s opinions. Instead, we can strive to align our self-worth with our own inner-wisdom and guidance.

Now...I kind of feel a bit silly telling you this but I know you will not laugh at me or pull a face.....but I was thinking about Nanna the day after she died...just sitting outside by myself and I said 'Nanna if you can hear me in any sense can you let me know that you are ok....give me some kind of sign that everything is alright...a storm or something that I can see and know' .....and it's probablly a big coincidence ...but there was a big lightning storm late Wednesday night .....Andy, is it possible that is was a sign or a big coincidence and wishful thinking on my part?


Care, of course it’s possible. Anything is possible from Heaven’s point of view. It’s also possible that it was a coincidence, (although I personally don’t believe in accidents). Maybe that’s for you to decide. Of course, if the storm was a sign, then it begs the question: If God - or whoever - has the ability and resources to control storms in such ways, then why doesn't He step in and prevent hurricanes from causing untold damage to innocent homes and families?

The answer can be found in the model of the world that I’ve described throughout this thread. After all, we’ve all chosen to come down to a place where shit happens and where things deliberately aren’t too rosy, for the purpose of striving to conquer such hardship from within. If we didn’t want to face any strife or pain at all, then we would have chosen to stay in Paradise. The attitudes and priorities of those on the Other Side are therefore different to our own earthly attitudes and priorities. From the soul’s reckoning, it might be in our own highest interests for God not to intervene in external ways that we might have assumed would be good for us.

At humanity’s present level of spiritual growth, the popular mind possesses what I call the “lottery winning consciousness”. i.e. We like to think that a multi-million pound win on the lottery would be the God-send that we're looking for, which will fix all our problems. However, the chances are that God has a very different agenda on the cards. God has a vested interest in His children’s accumulation of spiritual wealth and inner-strength and integrity, rather than materialistic wealth and worldly trappings. Incidentally, for those who do win the lottery, no doubt their circumstances change in such ways as to create soul-challenges of a different kind. (Material wealth and so-called worldly values often deter our soul’s deeper aim to cultivate spiritual strength and love, which is the very purpose of our being here. To exercise love, forgiveness and a trust in life is how we can increase inner wealth.)

I think it is a shame how our society has given people the wrong idea and people can become obsessed with how they look rather than how they are thinking and feeling and being. I hope that one day people see the real importance in our lives while we are here


That’s so true Care bear. The irony is that once we get things the right way round, our outer-being will naturally begin to look more healthy and vibrant. Regardless of how "ugly" we might be on an external level, people will begin to see through it, and will notice a deeper beauty and security that shines from within.

Anyway, I hope to hear from you both soon. Sorry about the delayed response, I suppose it can cause a fragmented conversation, but apologise for that.

How have you both been this week?

Is anyone else interested in joining the conversation? I think it's nice to hear as many views as possible.
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
I haven't left Andy! Hello to you both.......and hope you are well and happy.
I have been really, really off the wall busy of late... so I apologise for my absence....I actually only have a very short period of time right now but I just wanted to drop by quickly and say hello......'Hello!'...and now I must go......

Take care the both of you and will be back ...more indepth ...soon.

Care:)