Getting Ready for Doomsday

Start Storing The Seeds

 

Have you heard about the Doomsday Vault?  I read about it in the paper a week or so ago.   It's basically a seed bank or vault built to last 10,000 years and is situated near the North Pole.  It's the coldest place they could find and they call it officially the  Svalbard Global Seed Vault.

This vault is located in a place ( I'm not kidding) called Longyearbyen. It's part of a series of Islands with a temperature of 30 below zero.  It's due North of Europe and has a population of about 2,000 people.  This place is overseen by Norway and it's very artic there to say the least.  They say there are more Polar Bears and Reindeer in this place than anything else.  In the winter the sun never rises.    And I thought the long Maine winters were bad. 

This seed ark cost 9 million dollars to build.  Norway supplied the funds.   Bill Gates paid for the shipping. Individual countries from all over the globe are supplying the seeds from their crops. 

Scientists are collecting over a billion seeds from all over the world to keep deep inside this vault in case of a major world wide catastrophe or some sort of crop extinction.   These seeds, stored in boxes, are flown in by plane.  There is an airstrip at the base of the mountain where this vault is situated.  The Scientists are saying they are housing seeds that took 10,000 years to develop and they don't want to lose any more than already lost as a result of extinction.  Really?  10,000 years?

From the outside this vault or seed ark looks just like a big concrete wedge slammed into a mountainside.  Inside there are pipes that give additional refrigeration.  It is so cold in this vault that even if the earth warms and we lose all power, the vault is supposed to stay frozen for another 25 years past that. 

So the question is, will this someday serve to save the world? 

 

 

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I suppose it could help save the world...as long as we can survive the hordes of zombies that will inevitably rise around Doomsday.

:D

~Zoo

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as long as we can survive the hordes of zombies that will inevitably rise around Doomsday.
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On the bright side, they dont eat seeds - just people!
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I don't know, but its a really cool idea from a fictional stand point.

And I saw the movie Doomsday....meh, its def a rental.:P

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On the bright side, they dont eat seeds - just people!
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Maybe we should store some shotguns with those seeds.

~Zoo

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Maybe we should store some shotguns with those seeds.
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*GASP*!!! Guns evil! Zombies good!
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If you trust in the LORD JESUS CHRISTd, then you will realize that it doesn't really matter what the scientists or anyone else says might save the world.  The only salvation is trusting in the LORD JESUS CHRIST, and then whatever happens to the "world" doesn't really matter.  Believe in the LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou shalt be saved.

How simple a solution to the world's troubles!

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If you trust in the LORD JESUS CHRISTd, then you will realize that it doesn't really matter what the scientists or anyone else says might save the world. The only salvation is trusting in the LORD JESUS CHRIST, and then whatever happens to the "world" doesn't really matter. Believe in the LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou shalt be saved.
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Resisting urge...to...contradict...statment....must avoid...30 pages...of arguing about...religion...

Ahh...there we go.  :)

~Zoo

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no argument from me Zoo.  Plain and simple.....Jinglesbell is right on!

:LOL:

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On the bright side, they dont eat seeds - just people!
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Maybe we should store some shotguns with those seeds.
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What would be the point of saving something when there will be no one to use them? Wouldn't storing a few persons in there be a better idea? LOL
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If you trust in the LORD JESUS CHRISTd, then you will realize that it doesn't really matter what the scientists or anyone else says might save the world. The only salvation is trusting in the LORD JESUS CHRIST, and then whatever happens to the "world" doesn't really matter. Believe in the LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou shalt be saved.

How simple a solution to the world's troubles!
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no argument from me Zoo. Plain and simple.....Jinglesbell is right on!
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Resisting urge...to...contradict...statment....must avoid...30 pages...of arguing about...religion...

Ahh...there we go.
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Sorry Zoo, resistance is futile.

"Ayudate Y Dios te ayudara"

Roughly translated "Help yourself and God will help you". Seems to be that trust in God and Jesus does not mean sitting there waiting for him to do something for you, otherwise things like Katrina and the Tsunami that killed so many not so long ago would not have happened. You all need to learn that God is not about him doing everything for you but for you to learn to do it on your own by his Grace. Had God wanted to do everything for us we would not need the 10 Commandments. Makes me wonder why religious people help anyone if faith in God is all that is needed. I'm sure the poor and helpless of this planet will refuse help because they believe God will help them.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe this is Gods way of saving us? You people confuse me to much and it's probably why I have not gone to church in so many years.
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Did it ever occur to you that maybe this is Gods way of saving us? You people confuse me to much and it's probably why I have not gone to church in so many years.
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I can see that.

It's not that we're not ok with doing things. It's that we're not going to worry about things. God has taken care of his earth and people thus far, he will continue to do so. We are to trust him and that he has all these things under his control.

We're not advocating NOT doing anything, we're just not hyped up thinking that we need to save ourselves in quite the same way as some may believe. So sure, store your seeds, but my help and hope is not in the vault of seeds.

Help yourself and God will help you is not a biblical concept. God helps us and those who can't help themselves. Surely you're aware of all the miracles Christ performed on the hopeless and the helpless?

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Does anyone know if these are true seeds or if they also contain those brought on after GMO and hybrids?
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Ayudate Y Dios te ayudara
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More smoothly translated it means "You help yourself and God shall help you." :D

Which actually I view as a sort of psuedo cop out. It's like working things out on your own and saying God helped you do what you were going to do in the first place without asking for help from God.

I guess if you want to believe someone is pulling the strings behind the scenes to make you see that you have to take care of yourself and not rely on God's help but by doing that you somehow get God's hellp anyway...then go ahead.

I prefer the non interventionist approach, really. I live for myself and for those I care about. It's technically what God wants, right? I don't see the reason in "living for God" because if you do that right, then you're "living for yourself and others" it's the same freaking thing...I just cut to the chase.

In my view of all that metaphysical stuff...it's just us down here for the most part. We make our own decisions, perform our own sin, our own penance, form our own relationships...all of that. At least that's assuming we have free will. God doesn't often intervene because it's all free will here...murder, abuse, rape...no holy light comes down and smites the evildoer. It happens, and will continue to happen because God isn't hovering around everyone to keep the bad people away from them.

At least, that's my take on it.

In fact, there was a horrible story about people being stupid in regards to this kind of "God will save us if we believe" crap. Caused an 11 year old girl to die because the stupid parents thought praying was better medicine than...you know, medicine.

Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help


~Zoo

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It's not that we're not ok with doing things. It's that we're not going to worry about things. God has taken care of his earth and people thus far, he will continue to do so. We are to trust him and that he has all these things under his control.
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So why do churches feel the need to hide illegals? Why do people, in the name of God, try to help the hopeless and the helpless? I have to question the whole charity thing if you're telling me God has everything under control.

We're not advocating NOT doing anything, we're just not hyped up thinking that we need to save ourselves in quite the same way as some may believe. So sure, store your seeds, but my help and hope is not in the vault of seeds.
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And maybe that's the reason this planet is so lost. The notion that we don't need to worry about something cause God 's got you covered sounds a bit irrational to me but hey, we all have the right to believe what we wanna believe. But I will ask you this, God forbid this ever happened but if push came to shove and these seeds were the only then that could save the human race, would you refuse to feed yourself and your family?

Help yourself and God will help you is not a biblical concept. God helps us and those who can't help themselves. Surely you're aware of all the miracles Christ performed on the hopeless and the helpless?
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I have had my fair share of miracles I have either witnessed or have happened to me. the fact that I'm alive today is proof of that since my mom was told I would not live long after I was born (don't remember why), this is why I believe, God made me a see to believe kind of person. Till now I have yet to see anything that would tell me that God is helping us in a direct kind of way.

My belief is that were are here to prove to God that we deserve to enter the gates of heaven. To me life on Earth is a test, the dilemmas we deal with on a daily basis test our faith in God, our ability to be humane and kind, our sense of compassion, our will to do the right thing. Just like God was willing to sacrifice his son Jesus to live and die at the hands of us simple mortals we may have to make sacrifices in order to become better people (as sad as that may sound).

I'm sure our ideas about God probably are not that close to being similar but that is how we were created and living in a country like the US where freedom of religion exist, makes it harder to find people of the same faith. I chose to live a more realistic life where I believe I am doing the right thing as often as possible and hope that when my time comes all the good I have done out weighs any of the bad because in the end I accept I am not perfect and I will make stupid decisions from time to time if not more often.
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You know Zoo, our views are very similar. I guess with a few minor exceptions we pretty much think a like. I do what I do because I believe it's what I should do and what I believe God approves of. I may not be rich and famous, but I think I am much better than many of them. I look for his approval once my time comes because I believe he is watching just not necessarily intervening except maybe to give a small push in the right direction from time to time.

In fact, there was a horrible story about people being stupid in regards to this kind of "God will save us if we believe" crap. Caused an 11 year old girl to die because the stupid parents thought praying was better medicine than...you know, medicine.
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My point exactly. The biggest problem I have with my Catholic church is this notion that praying to God can somehow make food appear out of now where. Think about it, why should I bother going to school, getting a degree or diploma and then getting a job when all I have to do is pray and all is well. That's how my religion, in a sense, made it seem.

I have a Grandmother (well not really my grandmother, my brother and sisters grandmother from their dad's side but I always called her abuela) who use to be a religious nut (I mean that in the nicest way) then one day her son was shot on his 29th birthday I believe and died the following morning. She dressed black for a long time and seemed to have lost a lot of her spirit in the process thru out the years but now she goes to church not as often, likes to dress a bit more sexy (compared to how she use to dress anyways) and is much more happier, open minded and free than I ever saw her before. She apparently chose to enjoy life a bit more and not to take her beliefs so much to heart. She believed in God, just maybe not the same way she did before her son was killed. I mean, think about it, imagine believing that you dedicate so much time to God, to spread the word, be faithful to him only to have your son randomly killed on his birthday, a day of joy and happiness? And that is why my views on God are much more different than those like of KFC, which makes me wonder if he name was in a sense meant as hinting to be funny. You know KFC, Kentucky Fried Chicken but instead kicking for Christ which I have never heard of or makes sense to me but to each their own.
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I do what I do because I believe it's what I should do and what I believe God approves of.
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and how do you know? How can you know what the lie looks like if you don't know what the truth really is? Instinct? Feelings? Isn't that really making yourself out to be God? I mean you think I'm a he but I'm not. I'm a she. So if you're wrong about something so trivial as this how do you know you're not wrong about the eternal? Is it really what "we" believe? I mean many believe in tree hugging. Is that ok? Is that going to gain them entrance to heaven?

So why do churches feel the need to hide illegals?
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I've never heard this for one thing. I've never met a church hiding illegals. On another level any true church worth its salt would not hide illegals unless there was some very extenuating circumstances involved probably involving saving a life.

Why do people, in the name of God, try to help the hopeless and the helpless? I have to question the whole charity thing if you're telling me God has everything under control.
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Because the Christians are the "body" of Christ. We are to be the hands and feet of Jesus. He put us here to be a light and a help to the lost and hurting.

The notion that we don't need to worry about something cause God 's got you covered sounds a bit irrational to me
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in scripture to worry is a sin. Are you, as a Catholic, familiar with the Sermon on the Mount? Do you remember what Jesus said about the sparrow and the lilies of the field?

My belief is that were are here to prove to God that we deserve to enter the gates of heaven
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There's nothing we can do to "prove" this Charles. He already knows. We are sinners. He is not. He is Holy and we are not. That's a problem. The only difference between a sinner and a saint is a Savior. In order to enter Heaven we must be made into a Saint. We must be made holy to stand in God's presence. Thank God for Jesus. He took care of that part. We are made righteous only because he is righteous for us.

we may have to make sacrifices in order to become better people (as sad as that may sound).
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while this is true, our sacrifice is NOT going to gain us entrance into heaven. It's HIS sacrifice that opens the way for us. Our sacrifice is an act of obedience after accepting what he did for us. God isn't interested in our sacrifices. He's interested in our hearts. When our hearts are in tune with God our sacrifices are accepted.

I accept I am not perfect and I will make stupid decisions from time to time if not more often.
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We all make stupid mistakes no matter which side of eternity our feet are directed at. It's part of being human. Welcome to the human race Charles.











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Does anyone know if these are true seeds or if they also contain those brought on after GMO and hybrids?
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I don't know really but why do you ask? From what I understand they want repressentations of every seed imaginable.
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Something to think off: If we lose all power, if doomsday is going to be so horrible, and there's no one inside the thing, then with what I've read at how it was built, how will we get into it?

 

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I don't know really but why do you ask? From what I understand they want repressentations of every seed imaginable.
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morbid curiosity.
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and how do you know? How can you know what the lie looks like if you don't know what the truth really is? Instinct? Feelings? Isn't that really making yourself out to be God? I mean you think I'm a he but I'm not. I'm a she. So if you're wrong about something so trivial as this how do you know you're not wrong about the eternal? Is it really what "we" believe? I mean many believe in tree hugging. Is that ok? Is that going to gain them entrance to heaven?
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Who said I didnt know you were a woman? I've known that for quite some time now. If you have a difficulty trying to figure the difference between whats right and whats wrong then that's you. I believe know the difference my only issue is always choosing the right thing, which is the the mistakes come from. So, because I already knew you were a she, does that negate anything you said in the quote above?

I've never heard this for one thing. I've never met a church hiding illegals. On another level any true church worth its salt would not hide illegals unless there was some very extenuating circumstances involved probably involving saving a life.
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Well maybe you need to live a bit more in reality because these things have been in the news and on this site as well. This is the problem, you spend so much time letting God do things for you that you live in La La land and can't even see what's going on in your own front yard. You all need to wake up and smell he coffee because reality will one day come knocking on your door (like my grandmother) and will have a stronger effect than all the caffeine in the world combined. I can see why LW "loves" you articles so much.

Because the Christians are the "body" of Christ. We are to be the hands and feet of Jesus. He put us here to be a light and a help to the lost and hurting.
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Oh so now we are God's instruments where his miracles are done thru. You really need to make up your mind, either we worry or we don't. Either we pray to God all will be well or we take it into our own hands and make sure, or at least try to make sure, it's all well. This is the problem I have with religion, the constant contradictions of itself. On one hand God will save us so we don't have to worry, then on the other we worry because we are his body so he does his work thru us. Talk about having your cake and eat it too.

in scripture to worry is a sin. Are you, as a Catholic, familiar with the Sermon on the Mount? Do you remember what Jesus said about the sparrow and the lilies of the field?
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Hmmm so what you are saying is that God wants us to sin? I mean after all why does anyone help the helpless and hopeless? Ah, because we worry? As I said before I am not much of a religious person so I know very little about the bible and stuff but as you can see I know my way around things. If you believe in God and you know what you gotta do, no book or no history will make a difference if you go to heaven or hell. The mere fact that we sin on a daily basis proves that. WE are sinners the day we are born and will will be sinners the day we die. It's up to God to sort it out afterwards. That's why I do what I do, in the real world people only see the wrong you do, even when you have medals, trophies, certificates and a movie to prove all the good you have done. But what people here think is not what matters, it's what God thinks when your time comes. Till then you will have to prove yourself to him.

There's nothing we can do to "prove" this Charles. He already knows. We are sinners. He is not. He is Holy and we are not. That's a problem. The only difference between a sinner and a saint is a Savior. In order to enter Heaven we must be made into a Saint. We must be made holy to stand in God's presence. Thank God for Jesus. He took care of that part. We are made righteous only because he is righteous for us.
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Obviously it can't be proven since it's all based on faith, but faith is also based on what you have experienced in life. We are sinners from day 1, we have been graded with an F from the beginning and our job thru out the years in life we are given is to try to change that F into something better. Jesus sacrifice was meant more as a lesson than simply a solution to our problem of being sinners. He gave his life for us and here we are waiting for God to do everything for us. He lead by example but instead we sit there waiting for him to do more. Our path to heaven lies in doing the right thing, sitting there expecting God to take care of everything because you have faith in him is not doing something in my opinion. He was willing to sacrifice his son, what are you willing to sacrifice for him? Oh yea, I forgot, he's got you covered so you really don't have to do anything.

while this is true, our sacrifice is NOT going to gain us entrance into heaven. It's HIS sacrifice that opens the way for us. Our sacrifice is an act of obedience after accepting what he did for us. God isn't interested in our sacrifices. He's interested in our hearts. When our hearts are in tune with God our sacrifices are accepted.
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Here's another contradiction. First you say I'm right then you dispute my words. Man, it has to be your way or the highway doesn't it? If God is interested in our hearts, what fills our hearts? All the good things we have done during our time on Earth, hard work, good deeds, faith, love and yes even sacrifices. So in the end God gets it all in one neat little package called the heart. Sad to say that all the bad we have done is also there but that's what allows him to judge us. Because I think you believe in judgment at the hands of God right? But judgment would mean doing something good or bad, otherwise what would be the point of judging? But in order to do something (good or bad) you would have to actually do something, but what you are saying is that you dont really have to cause God got you covered. Double talk? Double standard? Contradiction? I pay attention to peoples words and I can usually notice when they contradict themselves too often. Just ask Col how many times I pointed out his contradictions in his own articles. You all need to get your stories straight.

We all make stupid mistakes no matter which side of eternity our feet are directed at. It's part of being human. Welcome to the human race Charles.
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Thank you but I have known I was here for a very long time. I accepted that a long time ago. Have you? Keep in mind that in order to make mistakes that means you had to do something, but if you believe you don't have to worry about anything cause God is taking care of you then why do anything at all? If God will solve all of our problems as oppose to letting us do it for ourselves and then judging us based on our actions to solve our problems, then why do we help the helpless and the hopeless? I thought you said God has it all taken care of? Are you questioning Gods actions by doing it yourself? Do you not believe in him enough that you feel compelled to take it upon yourself to get things done? You claim to have no need to worry because worrying is sin yet you admit to be a sinner so whats the difference if you sin or not? But I find it weird to believe that in order to do the right thing we have to sin first. Because we have to worry in order to have a reason to take action. If you saw a child in the streets with an adult and no signs of trouble, you probably won't really question the parent in any way, but if you saw signs of something going wrong, what is your reaction (take Gids situation as an example)? You worry, so our children depend on us being sinners in order for them to be happy and safe. Shall I continue with the contradictions?

I'm not here trying to change your (or anyones) faith and beliefs. I'm simply letting everyone know that my beliefs are very similar to many of the Christian faith but I live on Earth till the day I die so I make sure to keep my head out of the clouds till then. God gave us a reality, maybe we should start living in it and worry about the afterlife when the time comes.
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I'm sure that some here are thinking I am wasting my time with these religious arguments, but I have to believe that regardless how many times you respond back to my replies that somewhere along the line we will meet in the middle. You have already shown that to me when you admitted I was right. :)
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I'm sure that some here are thinking I am wasting my time with these religious arguments, but I have to believe that regardless how many times you respond back to my replies that somewhere along the line we will meet in the middle. You have already shown that to me when you admitted I was right.
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Oh sure, but who's middle?  :p 
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Oh sure, but who's middle?
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We all are, we just wanna believe we are not. Isn't it funny how many claim God created us as equals yet we don't treat each other as if we were?
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Who said I didnt know you were a woman? I've known that for quite some time now. If you have a difficulty trying to figure the difference between whats right and whats wrong then that's you. I believe know the difference my only issue is always choosing the right thing, which is the the mistakes come from. So, because I already knew you were a she, does that negate anything you said in the quote above?
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No.  I was referring to this:

And that is why my views on God are much more different than those like of KFC, which makes me wonder if he name was in a sense meant as hinting to be funny.
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I see "He" not she in your statement. 

Well maybe you need to live a bit more in reality because these things have been in the news and on this site as well.
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don't get so huffy.  All I said is I had never heard of this.  I'm not saying it's not true.  I know quite a bit about churches being the wife of a Pastor and have been involved in many churches my whole life from all denominations.  Not one church I was affiliated with hid illegals.  The proof is on you.  While I'm not saying it may not be done, I have a feeling you're making it out to be much greater than it is.  How many churches are hiding illegals? 

This is the problem I have with religion, the constant contradictions of itself.
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There are no contradicitions.  You're just looking for an excuse.  There are two ways to "wait on God."  It's sort of like waiting for a movie to come to town.  I'm waiting for the movie "Expelled" to be released.  But I'm not sitting here not doing anything while I wait.  I'm keeping busy but still waiting for the release.  Another way is when the movie does get here, I will be in line doing nothing else but waiting to get in the door.  I will drop everything and wait for the immediate showing of this movie.  It's the same way with us and God. 

Jesus sacrifice was meant more as a lesson than simply a solution to our problem of being sinners. He gave his life for us and here we are waiting for God to do everything for us. He lead by example but instead we sit there waiting for him to do more. Our path to heaven lies in doing the right thing, sitting there expecting God to take care of everything because you have faith in him is not doing something in my opinion. He was willing to sacrifice his son, what are you willing to sacrifice for him? Oh yea, I forgot, he's got you covered so you really don't have to do anything.
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I strongly disagree with your first statement  here especially.  More of a lesson?  Ummm No.  He was the Passover Lamb that would take away the sins of the world.  Remember John 3:16?

Congratulations what you have just done is define a works based theology which is pretty much 99.9% of all the religions out there.  You need to work your way to heaven.  That is NOT what Christ nor his Apostles taught.  Nobody can be "good enough" to work there way in. 

God gave us a reality, maybe we should start living in it and worry about the afterlife when the time comes.
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God gave us his revealed word.  In it he tells us about himself.  He reveals himself to mankind.  Many call his word a love letter to mankind.  I would agree with that.  What I hear you saying is you're ok.  You've got your own way...you've got it all taken care of.  Good. 

So we should worry about the afterlife when it comes?

Is that how you plan a trip?  You worry about it when it gets here?  No flight plans?  No reservations for hotels?  No saving up to make sure you have what it takes to even make the trip happen in the first place?

Sorry.  I look at the afterlife as taking a long trip to eternity.  I've already made my reservations and got my mansion registered. 

 

 

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You know Zoo, our views are very similar. I guess with a few minor exceptions we pretty much think a like.
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Then you, my friend have chosen well. :D

I live not a life consumed by the threats of angry God...rather I live life for the experience, for the joy(and even the sorrow) that it brings.  My choices and decisions are based on what I think is "right."  Strangely enough, my sense of right and wrong correlates pretty well with the Bible.

To be all entranced in a religion, in my opinion anyway, makes life way too complicated and you just can't enjoy it as much.  Not advocating the "godless heathen" lifestyle, but certainly a laid back attitude to all that stuff.  I swear, if God is as uptight and humorless as everyone makes him out to be I'm going to be so ticked off.

~Zoo