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Much has been written here and elsewhere about OKlahoma State Rep Sally Kern and her blatent honesty of her belief on the Homosexual lifestyle. She dared speak out.  Shame on her.   But did you know the rest of the story?

Many know and are angry (especially you know who)  about her comments  on how the "Homosexuality Agenda is destroying the nation" and is a bigger threat to our country than the Islamic Terrorists. 

How many know her speech was not only secretly recorded but also very carefully edited before given out to the public? 

They left out the part where she says, 'The book that I base my life upon is God's Word, and it says to love everybody -- and I try to love everybody, but not everybody's lifestyle is equal.'   They just started with the part where it says 'not everybody's lifestyle is equal.' They didn't include the part that has  Sally  on tape saying that she loves everybody."

Of course not.  That's not as much fun to mock and lash out at.  All this is about, plain and simple, is  "The Agenda" trying to warn anyone in opposition to their militant stance to back off.  Don't even think about speaking out.   If you dare, you will be put through hell as they demonize you taking away any unwanted attention to their unnatural behavior. 

Some have been warning us that once we let this behavior in as normal be prepared for other behaviors called "alternative lifestyles" to want their day in the sun.  And I think I saw the door opening on Oprah last week.  And you know how that goes.  I immediately picked up on it. 

She had on her show a beautiful Mormon, one of three wives wedded to one husband.  This woman did not fit the usual stereotype we think of when we think plural wives.   Even Oprah kept saying you don't look like the type.  She was floored.   This lady was very modern in appearance (no 18th century dress) beautiful and very intelligent.  She could be, and seems to be, a great spokeswomen for this lifestyle.  

Anyhow she said something to the effect that  "in today's day of alternative lifestyles" she would like to see polygamy made legal.   She kept on speaking but I knew........deep down that Oprah would pick up on the "day of alternative lifestyle."  There was no way that statement was making it past Oprah.  Sure enough. 

By golly she did grab right onto it.  Immediately.  She even said, she never thought of it like that and seemed very receptive to this woman as she presented her case.   I mean really, this Mormon woman did have a point.  If we accept this alternative lifestyle how can we say no to others who feel they have a right to marry whom they want even if it involves more than one wife? 

What's next on the agenda?  I do know that those interested in beastiality and pedophilia are watching all this.  How far will we go? 

 

 

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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
But not only did we evolve from, but we are technically animals. Do you honestly think that the biologists we have are crazy, and just magically conjured the evidence showing this stuff? (If they did, then they could be used for other things... )
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SilentPoet,
I acknowledge that we humans have been scientifically classified as animals. So what?

Sorry! That doesn't prove we evolved from animals...ergo we are animals and can behave like animals!

This just goes to show you and I have oppositve views of our Origins. Opinions about where we came from affect the way we think and act.


Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sorry! That doesn't prove we evolved from animals...ergo we are animals and can behave like animals!
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Ugh berries. Listen, I'm just gonna call this a draw, because I've provided ample evidence, empirical and otherwise, but you're not going to be persuaded.

This just goes to show you and I have oppositve views of our Origins. Opinions about where we came from affect the way we think and act.
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Precisely, which I realized long ago that I had a less than one percent chance of changing your view even a microscopic bit, heh, but I tried.  :p 

I acknowledge that we humans have been scientifically classified as animals. So what?
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...that makes us animals. Why would we be classified as Animalia (animals) if we were anything else but that, we're there for a reason.
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Reply #53 from Stardock Forums Top

And please try to use something like the Bible, because it's got some holes and flaws in it.
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Really?  It does?  Could you enlighten me on this SP?  I'd love to be able to discuss these holes and flaws with you.

 

Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
Really? It does? Could you enlighten me on this SP? I'd love to be able to discuss these holes and flaws with you.
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You've got things that are seemingly magical, but are (according to what I've heard) can be explained scientifically, and not divine. Such as the parting of the sea, unless i am remembering incorrectly, there was a quake around the time period that was placed.

How can Jesus write letters to the seven churches if he never went to them? Doesn't he even preach against rumor/libel. (Can't think of the exact term)

There are parts that suggest that he created man and woman, then animals...but later ( Genesis 2:18-19 ) it seems that he maks some animals again, and possible woman, again.

You've got the inconsistancies and contradictions (seemingly, I'll admit i may be wrong, but given that many many people point these out, it seems a little improbable that all could be wrong, unless it's satans work.  :p Only teasing.)

I'll let this guy show it: http://danielle-movie.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-970.html


Okay, this last one is one that I've been unable to explain, I've read and re-read the sections of the bible that pertain to it, but it still perplexing. So, because I'm sure you might have one: Can you explain the thirty years or so that are missing from Jesus' life. I believe it was up until he was in his thirties, he was gone.

Now, something to add, but I remember hearing of other religions (Buddism being one) that have accounts of a man whose description seems akin to Jesus, visiting and teaching.


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Something else, a bit of a side track, that I found interesting was:

"Joseph of Arimathea was certainly wealthy, but how did he amass his wealth? Arimathea, is not a town or district at all, but a Greek compound word meaning Harima Theo (by the Grace of God).

He most likely came from Ramle or another town. He was said to be in the trade of metals; tin precisely. This would have theoretically put him in contact with England, where tin was mined and sent throughout the Roman Empire.

More speculation has Joseph related to Jesus directly. It is been written by early Church fathers that Joseph was the uncle of Mary, the mother of Jesus. Certainly the Gospel has them familiar as when Joseph was burying Jesus in his tomb, he was accompanied by Mary (the mother of Jesus), and Mary Magdalena"

Source

Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
You've got things that are seemingly magical, but are (according to what I've heard) can be explained scientifically, and not divine. Such as the parting of the sea, unless i am remembering incorrectly, there was a quake around the time period that was placed.
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It's not really a surprise. God always uses the natural in his miracles. When Jesus healed a blind man, he used dirt and spit. It's still a miracle. How about the loaves and the fishes? It was just plain ol' bread and fish.

There's a story out there about the parting of the red sea something like........well it wasn't really a miracle because every spring the water dries up to about 10 inches or so, so it wasn't really a miracle that Moses parted the Red Sea. Really? Then it must have been a really big miracle that all the Egyptian Army drowned in 10 inches of water.

God used a flood to create a miracle. He used many physical elements in the plagues in Egypt...all miracles but with everyday things. Frogs, lice, blood, darkness, flies..etc.

unless it's satans work. Only teasing.)
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in your teasing is the truth. Satan's work is to get people NOT to believe in God's word. He started right with Eve...."Did God really say?" and he's still using this tactic today....because it works!

Can you explain the thirty years or so that are missing from Jesus' life. I believe it was up until he was in his thirties, he was gone.
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His ministry didn't start until he was 30. We did read about his birth up till 2 years old and then an excerpt of him about 12. But if you read the end of John you'd see that John covers this saying there wouldn't be enough books to contain all that could have been written about Jesus. God just wanted us to know the important things. We have a hard enough time now reading what we do have....what more do you want?

Joseph of Arimathea? What about it? So what if he was rich or poor? What is your point? The bible says he was rich and had a tomb acceptable for Christ. When you go back 700 years before Christ you'd see a prophecy by Isaiah who said:

"And they made his grave with the wicked (robbers on the crosses) and with a rich man in his death (Joseph of Arimathea) although he had done no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth." Isaiah 53

I think the real question should be...."how in the world did Isaiah know this 700 years before Christ was even born?





Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
God used a flood to create a miracle.
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Who's to say that was God's act, and not a miracle one?

Then it must have been a really big miracle that all the Egyptian Army drowned in 10 inches of water.
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You can drown in a teaspoon of water.

"And they made his grave with the wicked (robbers on the crosses) and with a rich man in his death (Joseph of Arimathea) although he had done no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth." Isaiah 53
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Perhaps it actually was: A) Actually written after a similar event, or it's an account of something happening. B) It's made up, a story.


His ministry didn't start until he was 30. We did read about his birth up till 2 years old and then an excerpt of him about 12. But if you read the end of John you'd see that John covers this saying there wouldn't be enough books to contain all that could have been written about Jesus. God just wanted us to know the important things. We have a hard enough time now reading what we do have....what more do you want?
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Those thirty years. Because, well, think about it, in those thirty years who's to say he didn't travel all over, preaching/sermonizing?

in your teasing is the truth. Satan's work is to get people NOT to believe in God's word. He started right with Eve...."Did God really say?" and he's still using this tactic today....because it works!
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But who's to say what you have IS God's word? What if, the bible you know today is in fact completely or totally ursurped by Satan? Satan isn't going to necessarily look or act like himself, he'll have ways of deceiving people, right? Who's to say he cant make things look like your Gods?

You can claim all you want, but because you are mortal, because you are human, you cannot say with even a remote assurity/accuracy that things are as you claim. Heh, it comes down to faith.

Which comes to another thing I was thinking about.

If you have faith in your God, then why do you insist to not acknowledge that maybe evolution is one of his tools? The bible may not state it, but who is to say it isn't? Your God says to honor man's law, but why not honor/respect science as well? What makes them so different? If your God gave us abilities, who is to say he didn't give us evolution as well, that evolution being the way we've adapted over the years?


And remember it isn't that we are from monkeys, being a primate does not equal being a monkey. Monkeys are just one of many priates, and primates are merely a biological order, and to be a Primate, you have to look like this:

Five fingers, general dental pattern, an unspecialized body plan, fingernails, opposing thumbs, etc...

Do we have these? Yep, so we're primates.

Something else to note is that primate means: "one of the first, excellent, noble" (nominative plural primates). (Wikipedia) So lets put forth a guess, a hypothesis. Humans are supposed to be one of your God's most wonderful creations (hence Satan being jealous of them, as well as God). So, who's to say that we are not primates? See what I mean?
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh, and you're making me use my brain during my day off, meanie.  :p  (Just kidding  ;) )
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
Joseph of Arimathea? What about it?
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Like i said, it was interesting. Because it's possible that if he dealt in tin, then he'd possibly have had access to other areas of the world, say like Britain. And Jesus may have been aware of those places at such an early age. But like i said, it's just interesting.

Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
Perhaps it actually was: A) Actually written after a similar event, or it's an account of something happening. B) It's made up, a story.
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If you knew even the fundamentals of scripture you wouldn't be asking this question. The book of Isaiah was written 700 years before Christ. The Jews had many, many copies of this book as well as all the OT books keeping meticulous care of the scriptures starting with Moses. Jesus sat down and read from Isaiah and quoted from Isaiah quite a few times. It's one of the most if not the most quoted book in the NT. Read Isaiah 53 yourself and see how it is an exact prophecy of the Messiah that would come in the future. If it's a made up story....Isaiah was a good guesser....100%.

But who's to say what you have IS God's word? What if, the bible you know today is in fact completely or totally ursurped by Satan? Satan isn't going to necessarily look or act like himself, he'll have ways of deceiving people, right? Who's to say he cant make things look like your Gods?
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So you think God is so outsmarted by Satan he can't protect his own word? He can create the world with his fingertips but not protect his letter to mankind? Satan misquotes and misuses it all the time and he's tried mighty hard to have it burned and destroyed more than once in history (check your history books). Why would he try to destroy it if he already usurped it? Doesn't make sense.

You can believe you came from monkeys all you want. I'll take the Adam link myself. WHen I look around...like procreates like. It takes more faith to believe we came from monkeys than to believe we came from man created by a creator.

You can keep that faith, I'll keep mine.





Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
So you think God is so outsmarted by Satan he can't protect his own word? He can create the world with his fingertips but not protect his letter to mankind? Satan misquotes and misuses it all the time and he's tried mighty hard to have it burned and destroyed more than once in history (check your history books). Why would he try to destroy it if he already usurped it? Doesn't make sense.
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Oh I know that Hitler and countless others did that, and according to you they were Satan's hands. Sure it does, just because you have usurped it doesn't mean you won't try to destroy it. Are you now to tell me that you know Satan's plans? :p

You can believe you came from monkeys all you want. I'll take the Adam link myself. WHen I look around...like procreates like. It takes more faith to believe we came from monkeys than to believe we came from man created by a creator.
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I don't believe we came from monkeys, we're related to them because there is a shared common ancestor, but we're not them, because we can't come from monkeys.

Here's something to look at (the first post):

Chromosome challenge

If you knew even the fundamentals of scripture you wouldn't be asking this question. The book of Isaiah was written 700 years before Christ. The Jews had many, many copies of this book as well as all the OT books keeping meticulous care of the scriptures starting with Moses. Jesus sat down and read from Isaiah and quoted from Isaiah quite a few times. It's one of the most if not the most quoted book in the NT. Read Isaiah 53 yourself and see how it is an exact prophecy of the Messiah that would come in the future. If it's a made up story....Isaiah was a good guesser....100%.
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That, or whomever wrote the bible came upon that story and integrated it/used it. All you can do is believe it all on faith. Something that came to mind. If Science is logical, and faith isn't, and you told me at another time that I should be logical, then why don't you acknowledge this all, since it is logical?

Is it not the logic you'll accept?

Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
Another thing, if you are having a hard time understanding where I am coming from, try educating yourself, because the idea that humans came from monkeys is false, and slightly ignorant.

Start here. Then check out some of the reference links at the bottom, as well as googling 'Evolution', you'll come up with some interesting things.

Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top

Hey, come back here. Pretty please? I could use a hand, even though I've got the feeling I'll never get them to completely acknowledge it. Something to do with their faith.
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You know not what you ask.  I've been there, I've done that...it's better just to agree to disagree.  Trust me.

~Zoo

Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
You know not what you ask. I've been there, I've done that...it's better just to agree to disagree. Trust me.
~Zoo
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Yeah, you're probably right. *Sighs*
Reply #64 from Stardock Forums Top

try educating yourself,
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it's better just to agree to disagree. Trust me. ~Zoo
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I second that  Zoo.   While I do know lots about Evolution and being educated in Public School which only teaches Evolution...neither one of you has convinced me you know much about scripture....so who exactly SP  needs to be educated here? 

 

Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top

If Science is logical, and faith isn't, and you told me at another time that I should be logical, then why don't you acknowledge this all, since it is logical?
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The bible is logical.  It makes more sense than anything else I've ever encountered. 

Who says Faith isn't logical?  I look outside, I see wonders in the sky and earth....it's logical that it just didn't happen.  It's logical that something created needs a creator. 

I don't drive by a snowman and say...."my look how that evolved."  That's not logical. 

 

Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't drive by a snowman and say...."my look how that evolved." That's not logical.
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From a snowape...

Science says, "we don't know how life began, but once it got here, we assume that it was simple in nature and built up to complex."

Yes, that's exactly how it would have happened, if it had started as simple.

But it didn't start simple. It started with every different species already here, as it was created. But God started by making the simpler creatures and working up to humans. Of course, God being God, he made everything very complex anyway. Proteins and cells and atoms and all kinds of crazy things that I don't really know about. But they're there to say, ptooey. How could this possibly come out of nothing? I created even this amoeba. And I created you. Amoebas didn't.
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
BTW, as regards homosexuals versus heterosexuals and which is better, I will say that the supposed equality that the homosexual community seems to rest on is there. Not because homosexuality is great, but because they are both perverted now.
Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top
KFC,

I don't know if you are aware, but tomorrow many people within the state will be going to the Capitol to show support for Sally Kern. My pastor will be among them (I'm not going, I have work back here on the homefront). I thought you'd like to know so that you can keep them in prayer.

I have to admit, I was one of the people angered by the Youtube video. That is, until I learned "the rest of the story" and how opponents had worked so hard to spin this situation. I read her side in the Baptist Messenger, and it's something everyone should, in my opinion, read before passing judgment.
Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't drive by a snowman and say...."my look how that evolved." That's not logical.
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Grr...

Because you KNOW it was created by people. People have been creating them for years and years...heck, you've probably created a few yourself.

However, do you look at a tree and say, "Gee, a man must have built that!" No, you don't...you know it grew up from a single seed from a previously existing tree. It came from another lifeform, like every other living thing on the planet. It wasn't just "created" because as far as we've gotten we cannot create life...life is in its very essence an enigma.

I'll buy into creationism as far as the very beginning of life. After that it's entirely possible for it to evolve from one organism. One becomes two becomes 4 becomes 8 becomes 16...increasing exponentially in a totally open environment. Billions and billions and billions of tiny simple organisms and some start to differentiate. They're able to harness new metabolic processes. Some start to cluster together and become multicellular...like jellyfish. Then the cells differentiate, carry out specific functions...become more advanced gooey creatures. You have nerve cells, motility cells, light detectors, skin cells, all kinds of cool things. After that you get cephalization, the beginnings of a head area....a concentration of sensory organs. You get fish and arthropods...very primitive, but they're there. Then once things figure out how to get on land, evolution goes crazy...a pristine habitat to exploit- land plants, amphibians...later reptiles, then dinosaurs and birds and mammals. Then eventually you get us. Long story short with a lot of stuff cut out.

It started with every different species already here, as it was created.
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No. A species is the very lowest classification of an animal. You're saying every single species was present from the beginning of time? Even all the domestic ones? Heh...no way. I honestly don't think Noah took jaguars(from South America), bison(from North America), kangaroos(from Australia), or anything else from those particular continents onto that boat of his. If everything was here since the beginning those critters would've been iced.

Not to mention all the people in the Americas. Apparently Noah sent some kids across the sea to repopulate and become Native Americans? Seriously, this whole Bible thing just doesn't seem to encompass everything. It never even mentions half of the world and it's supposed to be a book of everything you need to know? We're living over here in the twilight zone, apparently...

Ugh...I went into a tirade again...I knew I couldn't help myself...

~Zoo
Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top
Let's just agree to disagree, cause while I've enjoyed the...discussion, I really don't want to explain myself again, and again, and again, and again, and....well you see.

So, 'night, and it was fun discussing it.
Reply #71 from Stardock Forums Top

tomorrow many people within the state will be going to the Capitol to show support for Sally Kern. My pastor will be among them (I'm not going, I have work back here on the homefront). I thought you'd like to know so that you can keep them in prayer.
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Thanks Gid, for the update....

Prayers are good. :CONGRAT:

Reply #72 from JoeUser Forums Top
I honestly don't think Noah took jaguars(from South America), bison(from North America), kangaroos(from Australia), or anything else from those particular continents onto that boat of his.
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I honestly do think he did.
Reply #73 from JoeUser Forums Top
I honestly do think he did.
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Must...resist...urge...to...placate...skeptic...side...of...me...Ah snap, forget it.

How did Noah get two of *every single animal*?

Reply #74 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't know if you are aware, but tomorrow many people within the state will be going to the Capitol to show support for Sally Kern.
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I did hear about this. Thanks for the update. I will pray for her and it seems as tho she's well respected and liked even tho she's been threatened by thousands on the opposite side of the aisle.

How did Noah get two of *every single animal*?
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God sent them to him...two by two and sevens.

I liken it similar to the Tsumami that hit Indonesia a couple of years ago. Many reports saw animals, wild animals take refuge to higher ground before the Tsunami hit. They have a sense about danger that we don't have. Noah, building his ark on a hill didn't have to do a thing but open the door and let them in.

Ugh...I went into a tirade again...I knew I couldn't help myself...
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take heart Zoo, I agreed with some of what you said. As far as the bible ignoring the world...remember it started over there. That is the cradle of civilization. We do see other parts mentioned as well, it's just not the focus. Basically we see much of Europe and the Middle East in Scripture as the focus but we also read some on the African countries as well. Queen of Sheba and the Euncuh are two that come to mind immediately. Of course our country isn't going to be mentioned. We are fairly new you know.




Reply #75 from JoeUser Forums Top
How did Noah get two of *every single animal*?
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Nowhere does it say he did, since he did not clone every single animal.

It is written that he got 2 of every "kind" of animal, not every single animal.