Advent Cleansing Brilliance

Your target may have died before Cleansing Brilliance was able to fire.

Cleansing Brilliance fires from the bow of the Radiance, but the Radiance must be facing almost directly at it's target. So if the Radiance has to turn (which it does quite slow) there's a chance that by the time you click a unit in the LRM blob and by the time it finishes turning, something killed the original target, so the Radiance didn't fire.

Tips in general on Cleansing Brilliance...

Without Shield Mitigation it does 2,000 damage, so aiming it at a relatively low hitpoint target like a Javelis LRM will often result in the target dying before the beam is fully spent, which isn't ideal. Although affected by Shield Mitigation and occurring over time (which often results in the target maxing out it's mitigation over the course of the attack and Cleansing Brilliance doing significantly less than it's 2,000 'on paper' damage) it's generally preferable to try to hit a high hitpoint target, something with at least a good 1,500 hitpoints or so. Aim it at the center (and if possible towards the back) of an enemy group, it will do damage to any enemies unfortunate enough to get in it's way. If you have a Progenitor Mothership, cast Malice just before the Cleansing Brilliance strike, the damage does propagate, done right and with luck it's probably the single most potent Advent combination.

Thanks a lot, Red Maw !

1. Yep, you are right : my Radiance was not facing the LRMs when I clicked the CB casting button. It was not even close, offering its right flank to the LRM group.

2. I could have aimed CB at the enemy Kol, to follow your advice in selecting more worthwhile targets, but it would have taken time to turn my Radiance, and since all those LRMs were shooting at it, it was time for me to get the hell out of Dodge. I wanted to cast CB as a parting shot to get a bunch of LRMs. But as you state how things must be done, it would have forced me to turn the Radiance towards the planet instead of away from it (since I was leaving the gravity well to flee).

3. Concerning the Progenitor-Malice/Radiance-CB combo, you must be totally right, because I watched, yesterday, a JinxOfSin replay (posted in the strategy section, on HuntingX's thread). The enemy team of 3 [GE] clansmen capitulated (after about 1¼ hour of gameplay) because Jinx's Radiance and his ally's Progenitor executed that very same CB/Malice combo on a significant group of [GE] enemies. One of them then called "gg" on the chat, stating that specific combo as the decisive factor motivating him to accept defeat. (Being ignorant of MP, I was surprised that the [GE] team resigned because of that : it did not appear to me that the [GE] team was finished.)

Jinx/[GE]post #17

Thanks for the advice !

Well GE has just never beat Clan X.. Or nor has anyone. Getting off that Malice+Brilliance solidified the win is all, they would of won anyways surely.

Yeah Malice+Brilliance is incredibly powerful do not just to the 2k damage spread 24%, but because the damage keeps overlapping because of Brilliance AOE. You have multiple targets taking the splash damage from brilliance,e spreading the damage all over.

Brilliance isn't overpowered by itself.. but it is with Malice.
When Brilliance is used against you, you just move the target away from the group so only that target takes most of the damage, and it isn't AoE'd all over. But when used with Malcie even if someone did that, and you didn't aoe anything at all, it's still 2k damage to that target and 500 damage to everything else before mitigation.

Those clan X guys played like nubs!
They were outproduced and only survived because the GE team didnt push on.
The only thing that saved them was said OP combo of brilliance and malice and the fact that two of the GE players went Akkan (which add very little to fleet combat, except maybe an ion bolt to stop brilliance... which didnt happen though).

@inno
It also was a pure fun match... and the official position hasnt both GE and Clan X acknowledging a decision in a real clan match so far.

1. Well, I would not dare make such a statement concerning HuntingX ! You are perhaps in a better position than me to judge.

2. That, also, was my (very non-expert) perception of the game, based on the replay (see link in post #2).

I did not see that the clan [GE] team was beaten, but perhaps, as Innociv suggested (post #3), the Malice/Brilliance combo signaled that pushing on would have been a tedious waste of time and effort.

3. I do not understand what you mean by "official position". If [GE] called "gg" and resigned from the game, was that not an acknowledgment of defeat ?


Thanks to the three of you for taking the time to post your comments. My SP games against "hard" comps are getting better because I study the replays and comments posted by the best MP sinners.

I think what he's reffering to is that it wasn't an official match, it was just a pick up. Which means they were playing for fun, not "to win". (Big difference there) Since, to the best of my (considerable) knowledge, GE and X hasn't been able to finish an official match yet, neither side has actually won an "official" victory. Our one official game to date ended with a minidump, with both sides claiming victory. The behaviour of HuntingX has pretty much prevented any interest in solving that "situation".

OK, Ron, I see what you mean.

You MP heavy-weights sure have complicated relationships !

No, GE side lost 25 HCs and then about 30+ HCs to the cleansing brilliance + malice combo. That means they were pretty much done for. With a sizable fleet at green's HW, his labs sure to die soon, meaning he was unable to pump anything. Only one who could pump was yellow, with 3 factories it would still take 10 minutes to make another 30 Kodiaks, which would die much the same way as the previous wave :/ So pretty much it was gg.

GE could have one the game, they had the opportunity to push after getting clan X to retreat, but they went to the volcanic instead. They played in a passive way not really contesting the 2 front asteroids, which is also a mistake. Though my clanmates did not take full advantage of holding the front asteroids. Also massive flak, while it did by them lot of time, it was ineffective at taking out caps, which really makes it much easier for clan X to lvl their caps.

But GE did play very well that game. Their strategy of having one guy get tradeports was very goodt. Though he should at some point get a fleet of his own!

Cleansing Brilliance is a beast...just wanted to put that out there.

Thanks for the analysis, ASTAX (post #8) : it helps me to understand, a posteriori, what I did not perceive when I watched the replay.

I particularly liked your comment on the "massive flak" : when I watched, I did not understand the deep value of so many flak units.

Bah we need to stop giving tips to people, teaching people how to play, and educating people about strategy, especially other clans.


Good thing people often just tell us we're wrong and argue with what we know to be right.

*Zing.

Ouch.

-- Retro

Play me 1v1, or me and eets 2v2 if you want a real game. Though as of now, I really feel advent to be too powerful. Flak doesn't counter Illums well enough to justify them anymore. Which means the only counter is carriers, which only counter pure Illums, 1-5 flak/illum ratio beats carriers easy.

I just went through a game earlier tonight, making nothing but illums to see how effective it is post 1.04, and I must say. I was floored. If you thought LRM spam was bad before, watch out .

Brill/malice however is pointless to fight without a massive fleet size difference so you can simply tie him down with spread out ships and kill off all his labs/planets. We would have won if not for that combination, which I've expressed I personally feel to be overpowered. But I don't mind, the game was for fun, I don't even know why it was posted. Short of using flak to try and counter illums (which again, no longer works) as you would pre patch and not being aggressive enough, my teammates played well as did X. They want a real game like I said, it'll be against me, or me and eets, otherwise it'll be just for fun.

Part of the strategy is pooling over three fleets btw for people wondering why he never got one of his own.

Anyway, it seems you have the idea for how to use brilliance, sorry for derailing your thread, just have to correct supreme arrogance when I see it.

yeah well.. your math and playing ability fails if you think illums are overpowered and draw those conclusions.


Sorry to embarrass ya', but I'm tired of all the newbies reading dumb posts like those and believe them, and then they start saying them like they're true. Blinding leading blind, etc.

@ HAESO :

You may "derail [my] thread" as much as you want !

I originally wanted tips on how to use the Radiance's CB ability, but since I then mentioned the clanX/clanGE game-for-fun (in my post #2), I did open the possibility (as the thread's OP) of derailing the thread into a discussion of that replay.

Consequently, no problem : as the OP, I'm quite happy with the derailment, since I really wanted to understand why X's use of Malice/CB (at the light blue planet) provoked the end of the game -- even though, in my non-expert perception, I did not understand why [GE] was resigning so early.

Even though, in Haeso's words, the replay of a just-for-fun game should perhaps not have been posted, I found it very educative to watch, and the commentaries, on this thread, have been very enlightening.

At the moment, I only play SP against hard comps. I first spam Disciples, then tech-up fast towards Illuminators, which I then spam. Like Haeso states, in post #13, Illuminators can be OP. I do not enjoy beating-up the comps with such spams.


@ ALL > Derail "my" thread at will !   

Illums aren't over powered.

You are possibly correct.

It's the impression I got from Haeso's post #13, even though he did not use those precise words.

It was my deductive interpretation of what I believed he seemed to imply concerning the Advent, as a corollary, when he declared :

"Though as of now, I really feel advent to be too powerful. [...] I just went through a game earlier tonight, making nothing but illums to see how effective it is post 1.04, and I must say. I was floored. If you thought LRM spam was bad before, watch out" (Haeso)

I have no ICO experience (not counting my 9 hours in February with other newbies). Consequently, I have to rely on the confrontation of the opinions of experienced MP gamers (such as Haeso, innociv, HuntingX, JinxOfSin, Astax, etc.).

Since the release of 1.04, I do have a lot of success spam-rushing Illuminators against "hard" comps. That, also, has influenced my "Illuminators can be OP" declaration.

I certainly will be scrutinizing, on the forum, any on-going (1.04) debate concerning Illuminators.

(We are not close to my thread's OP on Cleansing Brilliance, but I really enjoy the derailment.)

He thinks they are, but he's wrong.


Also, Hard comps aren't hard... You are intended to be playing against 7 unfair hard ai's it seems, not just one.

I could beat hard AI by spamming flaks or scouts.

I've played more than 500 hours online..

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