Sorry NY parents, there is no right to have cell phones in schools

Normally I'd probably be hard pressed to agree with a New York court decision, but... I'm with the school system on this one...[more]

From C|Net's News.com site: N.Y. court upholds school cell phone ban

New York City's controversial prohibition of cell phones on school grounds can continue, a state appellate court has unanimously ruled.

The city's school system instituted the possession ban in September 2005 as part of its efforts to maintain school security and discipline, contending the mobile gadgets can promote cheating and harassment, and began confiscating them from students the next year. But parent advocates had challenged the rules as overly broad and irrational, arguing that cell phones were a "lifeline" for families trying to reach their students, particularly during their commutes and after-school activities.

In an opinion released Tuesday, the appellate court disagreed sharply with the parents' stance.

"The cell phone ban does not directly and substantially interfere with any of the rights alleged by the parents," Justice Angela Mazzarelli wrote in the opinion.

The justice also took a shot at adult cell phone use, writing:

The Chancellor's determination that a mere ban on cell phone use would not be sufficiently effective was not irrational. It is now routine before theater, movie and other cultural presentations attended by adults, for patrons to be asked to turn off their cell phones. Even then there is no guarantee that the cell phone of an inattentive person will not ring at an inopportune time. While the vast majority of public school children are respectful and well-behaved, it was not unreasonable for the Chancellor to recognize that if adults cannot be fully trusted to practice proper cell phone etiquette, then neither can children.

End of quote

Given the points raised about adult cell phone use (which I find equally rude and obtrusive into my own life and activities), I'm happy to see someone, anyone, trying to apply some common sense to the use of these electronic leashes and life support systems.

It seems that many people can't remember the days when average citizens weren't able to reach 24x7.  I guess a lot of people never lived in the pre-cell phone days (or worse even, the pre-pager {which predates the cell phone} days).  Apparently many people don't realize that if you aren't in constant contact with the rest of the universe you can survive and so can the others in your circle (despite what Alltell, T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint and others would have us believe).

At least the school system in New York is applying some logic and common sense to dealing with cell phones.  Now if only the rest of the country would do the same. :CONGRAT:

1,933 views 9 replies
Reply #1 Top

Why allow cell phones in the first place?

Reply #3 Top
There's absolutely no reason for cell phones to be in schools. They're a horrible distraction and you can't learn algebra when ur txtin' ur bff.

I don't even own a cell phone...and yet somehow I'm still able to exist and function in this world. I don't have my pocket ring or vibrate every 10 seconds...and I'm okay with that.

~Zoo
Reply #4 Top

I mean, check in cell phones if the kids have to have them.

Reply #5 Top

I understand the reasoning of the phones being off when you're going into a performance, etc.  I understand children having the phones in school will be distracting and having them turned them off is also a good thing.  But banning them totoally, no way! 

Lets face it folks, the way our society is today, get real, being in touch with your kids is very important to many parents.  Many people being in touch with anyone they have to be in touch with is a reality.  The thing is for people to learn and practice the cel phone ettiquette.  That's hard for some people who are selfish but with constant reinforcement, it can happen! 

 

Reply #6 Top
As mentioned, if many adults fail to follow the rules, how can anyone reasonably expect children to do so? Kids do not need to have cell phones in school. Kids are in school to learn, not to play with their cell phones.

Any parent who needs to reach their child during the school day only needs to call the school, they don't need to be calling the kid directly during classes. The reality is we got along just fine for decades without carrying phones around in our pockets 24/7 and this "reality" of needing to be able to instantly be in touch with anyone they have to be in touch with is imagined. If they really need to get in contact with the kid they can do so whether the kid is carrying a phone around in school or not.
Reply #7 Top

Any parent who needs to reach their child during the school day only needs to call the school, they don't need to be calling the kid directly during classes. The reality is we got along just fine for decades without carrying phones around in our pockets 24/7 and this "reality" of needing to be able to instantly be in touch with anyone they have to be in touch with is imagined. If they really need to get in contact with the kid they can do so whether the kid is carrying a phone around in school or not.
End of quote

 

I'll tell you why it is important...my son missed the school bus the other day.  He got delayed in class and when he got out the bus had left.  The school was practically empty.  He's not allowed on the school compound after the school is over. There's emergencies like that.

 

Another time the rain was coming down, the school bus was late, the students weren't allowed back inside the school. They were allowed to stay close to the building that had no over hanging cover.  They didn't hear the end of it from me for that!

You see these schools these days have created rules that are so stupid it is hard to figure out why a little common sense isn't used depending on the circumstances of each situation.  The new policies that exists because of their 'zero tolerance policies' are sometimes ridiculous.

My child is 13 and he knows the rules that he's required to follow because he does carry a cell phone. It's just a matter of the parent being fully involved and guiding the child through the 'what ifs', or the 'why nots'.  Admittedly many parents don't do a good job of handling their own, so they kids will be worse. But why should the ones who do suffer for them? 

Reply #8 Top
I'll tell you why it is important...my son missed the school bus the other day. He got delayed in class and when he got out the bus had left. The school was practically empty. He's not allowed on the school compound after the school is over. There's emergencies like that.
End of quote


If they kick him off school property without being on a bus or with a parent/sibling/guardian/someone, they need to be fined and jailed for endangering a child. At our school at least one teacher would be there until every single kid was gone, and if there was no-one to pick them up, they'd let the kid call using the school's phone and waited with them until someone came and got them. That is what No Child Left Behind should mean.

Good grief, a kid misses the bus and you can't even let him use the school's phone? And he was delayed in CLASS? By a teacher, presumably? Ridiculous.
Reply #9 Top
What did people do before cell phones?

Married To The Sea
marriedtothesea.com