Running out of oil

Regressives are also known as liberals!

I don't think we could destroy the environment if we tried.

My challenge: Destroy the environment.

Prove it can be done.

And they will still bitch about it like they are guiltless. When in truth they have planned this all along.

One thing, you can't place the blame on the party in power for an accident none of them could control. the reason our Nuclear Industry is as safe as it is because we had that nice little accident.

If you are going to call someone an idiot, make sure that you aren't saying something that makes you one too.

We have tried, all we were able to do was kill off humans, the earth recovered and went on as if we were not here.



Good one!   I don't think it can be done. We have the ability to destroy mankind and a afew animals but that is about it. Man has been trying to get rid of the mosquito for 10 thousand years, Fleas too, as well as fire ants. those are things we tried to get rid of and they are still here. What makes you think that we have destroyed anything by accident?



Very true sir, and the dirt bags want to make us feel guilty for living.



Then you need to study your history better, we have had three accidents in the United States, only one made it to the public. The Soviet Union had 15 accidents of which only one was made public. Each time the Soviet Union screwed up they lost at least five towns or cities. Not so for us, we built them safe from the start so when we have an accident few people are even in danger.



Please provide an example.

The earth shattering stupidity of that statement is beyond words.

Yet you needed to comment anyway.

She is drawn to it like a moth to a flame. Just set them up, and let her make a fool of herself.

Find a republican that doesn't make earth shatteringly stupid comments and I will comment on theirs instead.

do you have any references to the idea that crude oil is made that way?

3 finger sally insults herself again!

Why are you mentioning your mother?

NASA, the Oil Companies, any college geology department. It has been basic knowledge since the 1970’s but environmentalist try not to go in that direction because for decades it was called fossil fuels and they like people thinking that the fuel requires fossils, hence we will run out of oil so we have to stop using oil.

Your ignorance of the reference and attempt to slur my mother just demonstrates your childishness and pettiness. Guess like Locamama says, you are a good little Obamababy.

as opposed to the "high minded intelligent way" you attempted to slur me?

That just shows your ignorance. 3 finger sally is not a slur. Idiot.

Why don't you enlighten our resident genius and stop stringing him along. I believe you are talking about the female type right? Mister pin head with his superior intellect has not mastered the use of Google yet, or feeding himself without wearing a bib.

I think (or at least "it" said they were not male) it is a she. Hence the sally (it could have been Hortense, Gertrude or Esmerelda).

3 fingers - when you point a finger at someone, 3 of your fingers are pointing at you!

3 finger sally.

This is also the term for a female marajuna plant. I like yours better.

I would suggest that you subscribe to the HD tier of your cable provier and start watching programs on the Discovery, NatGeo, History etc. channels and stop watching and listening to the political spinsters. You truly need to educate yourself about such subjects as Peak Oil Production, Global Warming, Biochemistry, Petrochemistry, Aramco, etc. Those subjects are too vast to be explained in a blog.

I do believe that Nuclear power is part of the equation to potentially stave off some of the consequences that the REALITY of global climate change will present but if you were actually educated on these subjects you would have realized before you posted that the vast majority of power plants in the US are coal fired so they do not significantly affect the price of gasoline. Drilling in ANWR or offshore and building new refineries in the US will not significantly lower oil prices or our dependence on foreign oil. The current price of crude oil is due to excess speculation in the futures market which is being caused by several factors.

People really need to put aside partisan politics to see the light at the end of the tunnel when it comes to figuring out what truly needs to be done as far an energy policy. Both parties have "bought" voting blocs by supporting specific special interest groups so neither party can form an adequate energy policy without using certain solutions from the other and discarding some of their own.

Dont know about your neck of the woods, but Comcast still has most of those channels on Basic, so you do not have to go digital to see them.

As for the comment about educating about global warming, I can only speak for myself and comment on what I have read. However, I would say that most of the members of JU are very well educated on the subject, and that has lead to a greater skepticism of the whole religion. One tactic used by the shaman of the new religion is to frame the question into a yes or no answer, and then use that answer to answer a different question.

Case in point - Do you believe there is Global Warming?

Most will answer yes. But the high priests of global warming will then tell the world "he beleives in man-made global warming". That was never the question, and there is no way to tell from the simple answer.

The HD specific channels do seem to have more content on these issues which is why i suggested it. Though I guess it wont matter much next year when we are switched over to HD as the standard.

There were a couple of programs i saw recently that were interesting because they were not specifically about global warming and climate change but did address these issues. One was about the history of the oil and the oil industry and the other was about the history of the earth. There was a lot of information in both about bio and petro chemistry. With a basic understanding of these chemistries as well as the "greenhouse effect" it is very clear that some extent of global warming/climate change is man-made.

So I don't even think there is a man-made/not man-made argument but more how much of the problem is man-made and how much of the man-made component can be eliminated and how quickly without tanking economies. The problem is that both parties have taken sides with special interest groups so very little progress is being made on the issue. It would be best if industry simply went in the right direction by itself but that is not happening. The oil and coal lobbies have tied the hands of the reps and the environmentalists have tied the hands of the dems so that nuclear power hasn't been an option. It should be obvious to most that the oil and coal industries are even aware of the problem. They should be, part of their workforce is a substantial number of petrochemists.


In any case it is very complicated. Solar and wind power generation are extremely good solutions but probably not complete solutions. I think we would also need more nuclear to meet the needs of projected energy demands, however nuclear power does have its negatives which include safety and nuclear proliferation concerns.

I watch these channels on a regular basis. Most is rehashed junk science that tents to lean more to the nut jobs than science. Some shows tell only part of the truth. Yes, the planet is getting warmer. It is getting warmer at the same rate that the planets Venus and Mars are warming. The major source of heat in this solar system is the sun. yet, the global climate change people won’t even take into account that the sun is our sole source of heat. And since Venus and Mars are also getting warmer and there is no man on either planet it is reasonable to assume that man is not the cause. There is also a ten year gap with the global climate change nuts and science. When we were warming up as we usually do they were screaming ice age. Now that we are cooling down they are screaming global warming. This is the cycle the Earth has followed for millennia yet man has only been the dominant species for the last 6 thousand years. We are coming out of an ice age which means we are warming up. We are now at the beginning stages of a mini ice age. And still people are saying that we are all going to die from heat. Try reading the credits on your so called science shows. If you pay attention you will notice that the roman numerals show most of the data they used is from the 70’s and 80’s re-cut and re-edited with a new narrator. I have studied the science rather than the political hype. Science is factual not consensual what I mean is there is a consensus that the earth if flat. Facts say it is round. It was proven to be round in the 1300’s yet there is still the flat earth society, I have been to their website.



Is it your contention that drilling domestically for oil is not going to reduce our dependence for foreign oil? Are you aware that there is more oil in the United States than in Saudi Arabia? Do you know that because our refineries are at 110% capacity that we have to take 30% of our domestic oil and ship it out of the country to be refined into gasoline then pay a tax on that gasoline to have it shipped back to us because now it is an imported product? So building more refineries won’t reduce the cost of gasoline. Is that your position? Are you sure you want to step into this mud pit with what little you have shown so far to be false and or misleading? Are you aware that if we just eliminate the mid range gasoline that it would free up a third of the refining capacity since auto makers don’t produce engines that benefit from mid range fuel and the environmentalist are the ones that demanded it be required by law so we have a type of fuel that is too rich for regular engines and too weak for premium engines. That alone would drop the price of gas by a dollar a gallon.



I agree, I watched them stand before congress and say we need to build more refineries in order to keep the price of gas below a dollar a gallon. They also stated that more nuclear power plants need to be build and brought on line. They stated for the record that their refining capability was going to make the price of gasoline go up if they were not allowed to build more refineries, and drill domestically for new sources of oil. this is all part of the congressional record back in 1978. the peoples response was a windfall profits tax on the greedy oil companies, a moratorium on nuclear power plants and environmental restrictions on the exploration and exploitation of domestic oil.

30 years later just as they predicted the price of oil is through the roof, and it will take ten years to build a new refinery if they started building today. Back then they said they needed 20 more refineries. We have built none. They suggested 30 new nuclear power plants, we have built none. Now an environmental commission published recently that we need to build 30 refineries and 47 nuclear power plants in the next ten years at the cost of almost fifty trillion dollars or the environment will suffer. 30 years ago it would hurt the environment to build such things not even they say it needs to be done. Wow are they owned by the greedy oil companies?



Really, you think they are not complete solutions? Are you sure? It is what the environmentalist has been screaming we should do for decades when the technology was not ready. Now that it is almost ready they want to rush into it. In another 50 years solar power will be ready, wind power is ready now but will only work in certain areas. Until then how about we use what we have? We are sitting on 200 years worth of oil and not even pulling it out of the ground. The Chinese are doing it off the coast of Florida for the Cubans but we can’t get the same oil.

The earth is not warming at the same rate as the other planets in the solar system. They are at different distances from the sun and have very different environments.

Put a greenhouse in your backyard and grow some tasty veggies or maybe some more of the weed your smoking. In the middle of winter enter it and wonder why the same sun is making it warm and cozy inside there but not outside of it. Then exit the greenhouse and pray that God doesn't send a bunch of tornadoes or a flood your way before you get a chance to build an ark.

Carbon in=carbon out. Matter does not just simply disappear. So when u drive on down the road make sure you plant more weed in your greenhouse because somebody else just cut down a tree to build a house and that was the carbon out part of the equation.

We do not ship out crude oil to be to be refined at foreign refineries then ship it back with a tax on it. We have enough refining capacity to refine all of the domestic oil we produce for the domestic market. As to foreign oil we refine some of it here but what we can't handle is shipped on foreign flagged tankers and shipped and refined at U.S. owned foreign based refineries. Trust me the refining companies love their foreign based refineries. No business taxes, no OSHA, no unions. My screen name is Smoothseas for a reason. Don't try to con me about an industry i worked in for over 20 years and i won't con u about yours....smoking weed.

I won't address gasoline engine efficiency since your greenhouse doesn't have enough room to plant more weed.

Actually maybe i will...Who was it that repealed the CAFE standards way back when...Oh yea Ronald Regan.

Yes nuclear power plants...we will probably have to build more in the future... i do believe it is part of solving our energy problems. I just haven't figured out yet how to tell Iran they can't build any while we do and not be called a hypocrite.

Wind power is not ready yet? Go visit the Netherlands.

Solar power is not ready yet? I started cutting my electric bill in half over 20 years ago.

Don't kid yourself. Offshore Oil drilling is expensive. Its much easier to invade Iraq, get leases for the cheapest source to tap then pass the bill for the war off to the taxpayer. That's the true windfall tax, even though i think its called the War Appropriations bill and its cost is definately being passed on to the consumer.

My, how bright you are, okay to handle the stickler for details. Taking into account the distances the rate is the same. As the sun expands the sweet spot that makes our planet habitable is moving out and the harsher heat is moving in. this is why there is a record heat wave on Mars, in summer at the equator the temp almost gets to zero. As for the Co2 levels on earth causing global warming something that is a total lie. Look at Mars. The atmosphere is almost 100% carbon dioxide and the planet is cold.



I am so sorry but I have not indulged in illegal drug use, I grew up in the 60’s. to suggest that a greenhouse and the earth are equal would have to negate the 80% nitrogen that is in the air as well as the oxygen, a greenhouse works not because of the carbon dioxide but because of the heat being trapped by the glass which allows the heat in and keeps the cold out. Plants breathe in carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen. They are the reason why the atmosphere went from nitrogen, sulfur, carbon, oxygen atmosphere to a nitrogen, oxygen atmosphere. So the natural state of the planet is more sulfur and carbon and less oxygen. The plant life is what has changed the planet making it habitable for us. As long as the plants are breathing it in they will continue to grow. They filter the air. What keeps us from burning up from the heat of the sun is our rotational speed of a little over a thousand miles an hour. This is slowly changing, we are speeding up a little bit each year. Look at Jupiter, it rotates once every ten and a half hours or so. Big storms there. That is our future if the planet is not burned to a cinder first.



that may have been true 20 years ago it is not now.



Okay, expalin it to me.



Okay now I see, you wish to confuse issues in order to hide your weakness in understanding the facts. We can build as much as we want because no one but us can stop us. They can’t. by the way part of our refining space is taken up by the oil from Iran because they don’t have the refining capability because they have not build a refinery since they kicked us out 30 years ago. A pity you have not stopped smoking dope while at sea instead of studying the subjects you profess to know.





Who said that? Oh wait that was me. Reading comprehension a bit off today?



On your solar powered boat? I was discussing the problems of solar energy a few weeks ago and it seems the computer industry is the only hold back for cheaper power cells. He would sort of know cause he sort of owns a plant that makes them. The good silicon needed for the power cells are the same used to make computer chips because they compete for the same product the price keeps going up. It won’t be ready for 50 years or so. My friend is hopeful and thinks it will be ready in ten years. I am doubtful. He says the solar panels that used to take up a square meter can now be shrunk to a square foot and produce the same amount of power. Each year they are getting better and better. Smoke getting in your eyes?



That’s a good idea maybe we should try that. But instead of Iraq where they have only a few hundred wells we should go after Saudi Arabia. Who can stop us if that is what we want to do. Your argument here is weak. It has been argued back and forth for years and it has been disproven that is what we had intended to do. The Saudi and Kuwaiti governments ran from Saddam so it would be easy to invade there if that was what we wanted to do. Who would stop us once we had the land under our feet? For that matter why are we helping the Iraqis? We destroyed their army in less than two weeks. We had nothing and no one to stop us from making Iraq a territory of the United States.