http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/08/09/did-media-or-nasa-withhold-climate-history-data-changes-public

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/B3C3DE65-78DD-4620-9688-39C61AAA6C6F/

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/347541/nasa_admits_that_1934_not_1998_was.html

http://www.nosocialism.com/2008/07/nasa-backtracks-on-1998-warmest-year.html this one has a video to help explain it better.

The point of the links is because you asked for them and the data you cling to has been refuted by NASA as an mathematical error. OOPS.   In short the link you provided is out of date and the revised one shows a much different world. I will have to go through all my global warming articles to find the link to the NASA page that was corrected since it was buried and took me almost an hour to find the first time.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/08/09/did-media-or-nasa-withhold-climate-history-data-changes-public

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/B3C3DE65-78DD-4620-9688-39C61AAA6C6F/

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/347541/nasa_admits_that_1934_not_1998_was.html

http://www.nosocialism.com/2008/07/nasa-backtracks-on-1998-warmest-year.html this one has a video to help explain it better.

The point of the links is because you asked for them and the data you cling to has been refuted by NASA as an mathematical error. OOPS.   In short the link you provided is out of date and the revised one shows a much different world. I will have to go through all my global warming articles to find the link to the NASA page that was corrected since it was buried and took me almost an hour to find the first time.

ON that we can agree.  But let's address the real issue instead of trying to cloak it into mysticism and mumbo jumbo.  The problem is fossil fuels and we have enough problems both with the supply and the weening.  But trying subterfuge to get us there will not work.  For when the people realize they have been lied to, they will rebel in anger (and who can blame them?).

We dont need to create a new religion complete with gods and prophets to deal with what essentially is a supply and demand issue and one of health.

Actually, no.  I have no idea whether you support one party or the other (you appear to lean left, but with tendencies to the right - just an observation from your posts).  The "You" I used was for your position and those that support it (the Al gores), not for a political party.  WHile the democrats seem to be the leaders on this issue, they are not the sole owners of it.  And like many issues, this one is straddled on both sides of the political fence.  The only party using it as a core plank is the Greens, and I in no way thought you would align yourself with Cynthia McKinney.

Hmmm, it would seem to me that someone who is so concerned and educated on the climate change issue would know how to find the sites for all four of the agencies that record and report on global temperatures, not just the one that happens to agree with their viewpoint.

The agencies are:

Hadley Climate Research Unit

NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies

The Christy Group at the University of Alabama

Remote Sensing Systems

Here is a very interesting article by John Christy, Professor of Atmosperic Science at the University of Alabama regarding the reporting on the climate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7081331.stm

I find these quote especially interesting:

I think that last one is probably the most significant. None of us should take any of these reports and models as gospel. There are simply too many variables and too much innaccuray to believe any of them 100%

The link I provided is current....Go to their website...It is not from an archive. The mathematical error is explained in the prognosis. Simply look at a prognosis so that you can understand how the data is interpreted. The misinformation vendors love to use just a graph of the past 10 years but what they do is leave out a couple very important points. The sharp increase at the beginning of the these 10/year graphs is due to the el nino la nina cycle. And the sharp dropoff at the end is due to it being at the end of a solar cycle.

I wanted links to those exact graphs to see if they were home made or doctored. Also to see if the sources of the data had a prognosis for the graphs as opposed to a bloggers rather simplistic inaccurate explanation of the data.

John Christy's article is something everyone should see. It definately points outs how imprecise science can be and in particular the potential for inaccuracies. That is why I continue to follow the issue. But Here is another quote from the article.

"Don't misunderstand me.

Atmospheric carbon dioxide continues to increase due to the undisputed benefits that carbon-based energy brings to humanity. This increase will have some climate impact through CO2's radiation properties.

However, fundamental knowledge is meagre here, and our own research indicates that alarming changes in the key observations are not occurring"

In other words he does not claim that there is a not a manmade component to the CO2 issue.....in fact quite the opposite.

He also states that alarming changes are not occuring, however changes are occuring.

Its well known in politics that the liberals try to exagerate the issue and the conservatives try to diminish it.

And that is crux of the biscuit.

"And that is crux of the biscuit"

Exactly so the point of view I have is not that I think one political party is correct and the other is wrong. The problem is that they both want to control the issue so that they can take taxpayer dollars and give them to those who support their elections. The reps want to give the money to oil gas and coal because they control those states and the dems want to give the money to high tech because they control those states. Then u have the people who really get it like T.Boone.

In any case the underlying issue is not some worldwide scheme cooked up to back a bunch of liberals. It is a constantly revised issue which is being exploited by individuals on both sides.

Right, but it has been portrayed as man is the cause of the spikes not the Sun. The spikes were portrayed not as spikes but as man’s heavy industrial use. Once you eliminate the effects of El Nino/ La Nina and the other effects of the solar cycle, there is not much to talk about.

No it hasn't. It is the opposite. It it folks like you who don't understand or wish to ignore the scientific information and how it is interpolated and modeled  that have used this type of thing to infer that it is indicative of a cooling trend.  So keep trying to find something better because it really is childsplay at times showing how misinformation vendors skew information to create false doubt.

The misinformation comes from both sides of this debate. The scaremongers who have been going full tilt to convince people that we have a looming man made climate disaster right around the corner are guilty of a lot of it themselves.

It certainly does. Regarding this issue it is mostly a matter of one side using information improperly to make claim that something is not true when in fact that information does not validate that claim......vs the other side which is trying to exagerate information to create a heightened sense of urgency.

Show me. If you noticed the articles I have written in the past on the subject this is not just a passing fancy with me. I was playing with this subject before there was an internet after I wasted a day of my life cleaning up a forrest park on the first Earth Day. I watched as we went from working to save the planet from the next ice age to saving the planet from global warming to seeing the nuts try to convince me that we will need to save the planet from the coming ice age. In each case man was the fault, fossil fuels are the fault man is bad. Please point out where man has done anything that caused the change from global cooling first reoprted in the New York Times in the 1800's and from there about every 25 to 30 years switches back to warming and cooling.

The graph you showed had to be corrected because they made a mistake and failed to correct it when they noticed the error until someone pointied it out to them. For the last ten years we have been told to fear Global Warming but in the last ten years the Earth has been cooling. The data for Global Warming is 20 years old, half way into their rant on global warming the Earth stopped getting hotter and started cooling. CO2 has been known for decades as a lagging indicator of warming and a precursor of cooling, yet the opposite is what has been touted by the media. I was shocked when Mr. Gore put it in his movie because it was so easily refuted and no one challenged him instead it was accepted, swallowed hook, line, sinker, the boat and half the water it displaced. The only reason i noticed the stupid errors is because astronomy and astrophysics are hobbies of mine. The crap of global warming did not ring true with what I knew of the Solar System and the planets which caused me to look into the Earth because if Global Warming was right then either everything we thought we knew about the solar system was wrong or the global warming nuts were wrong.

The global warming nuts pointed to Venus as an example of global warming, there are no hydrocarbons on Venus, no CO2 either. On Mars the atmosphere is almost all CO2 yet a blistering hot sunny day the temperature is around -74 degrees, there have been spikes where the temp got all the way up to Zero. Mars has shown significant warming in the 30 years we have had probes there, and significan ice melt has been documentted during the same period as our own warming trend. As I pointed out in one of my first articles on global warming that the Sun is expanding and getting about 10% hotter or because of the expansion the radiated energy reaches us warmer by about 10%. The global warming we experience on Earth also happenes to be occuring on Venus, Mars, and even as far as Pluto. To turn around and say that man is the cause flys in the face of this documented evidence.

None of the global warming studies take into account the Sun's expansion, the orbit of the Earth around the Sun or the Sun's orbit around the Galaxy, three factors that have been documented to cause dramatic climate change on the Earth. The theory goes that the Solar System got a big yank that caused the planets to go into a more elipitical orbit giving us shorter summers and longer winters. The orbit of the Earth as been documented to have been more elipical but we have yet to prove the other part of the theory of the big yank that caused it. Some say the Earth was hit by someting large enough to alter our orbit causing the ice age while others say it was the sun pulled along by some force we have yet to see because it is too far behind us. Since it takes 250 million years to make one orbit around the galaxy and man has only been on the planet a few thousand years and only documenting our orbit for the last 30 years there are a lot of unknowns.

The global warming documentaton has only been around a decade and is still a theory not a proven fact. So far the man made element of the global warming theory has holes in it large enough to slide the solar system through without touching the edges. It is because of this that I have doubts that man is the cause or even a contributing factor of our warming trend, or our cooling trend. I mean it only takes a million years for the heat and light from the Sun to reach the Earth. Okay a million years eight minutes and thirty seconds give or take a decade.

When man walked on the Moon the temp was +240 degrees in sunlight now the temp is +250 a ten degree increase in 39 years. Does anyone suggest that the SUV's (Space Utility Vehicles) caused the warming there? If the temp on the Moon is 250 and on the Earth the average temp is 74 I would say that we are still kind of cooler than we should be. the make up of our atmosphere is the reason for this, on Venus there are no significant nitrogen, oxygen to help regulate and moderate the temp. instead you have Sulfur Dioxide and what little hydrogen and oxygen are in water vapor causing it to rain sulfuic acid. The temp on Venus is 900 degrees.

Looking at the moon Triton which is almost all Ethane and Methane it is still so cold that it rains Propane. Yet we are told that those gases cause global warming. Triton is warmed by the Sun and by Saturn yet it is still a frozen wastelad, didn't any of the heat from the sun get trapped to warm it up? The same question for the planet Mars which is only 93 million miles away from us.

I agree with you 100% on your idea. I think that our planet should adress climate change, 50% of the people I know don't belive globel warming is real. When I tell people that if we don't act now the world will be under water People just laugh at me. Thank you for writing this passege, now I know there are people like me.

And they are correct in laughing at you. Global warming is real, global warning will continue what you fail to understand is that man is not the cause; man can do nothing to change it. Global warming has everything to do with the Sun and its burn off of hydrogen as fuel. As the Sun uses up more fuel (hydrogen) its magnetic force weakens due to the reduction of mass. The Sun then expands pushing the habitable zone out. At one time the Earth was a frozen waste land and Venus was habitable. Now we are at the end of the habitable zone and Mars is warming up. My calculations say 140 thousand years and the Earth will not be able to sustain human life.

We can conserve all we want but unless we can refuel the Sun our conservation will not matter. I know this is hard for some to take and even harder for people indoctrinated by idiots like former Vice President Gore to understand, but everything is fixed and we can’t change it. The solar system started with a fixed amount of fuel for the Sun, when it ignited the lifespan of the Sun became predetermined. If the all the bright people on the planet found a way to get all the hydrogen and helium left in the solar system and inject it into the Sun we would only add half a billion years to the lifespan of the Sun. It would also mean we would have no water to drink and we would all die.

Ask any professor of astronomy and they will tell you how the Earth will end, not the liberal astronomers or the conservative astronomers but all astronomers have known this for the last 40 years, the Sun provides all the heat we need to live, CO2 is required for life on this planet. It is what plants need in order to grow and feed us while at the same time providing breathable air. Reduce CO2 and we reduce plant life meaning there is less oxygen for us to breath. When the Sun was formed it had ten billion years of fuel. We see the Sun today and we know it has only about five billion years left. The Sun has been expanding at about 10% a century since we have been watching. It was slower at first and is speeding up with the loss of mass. When the Sun runs out of fuel it will have expanded to the point where Mercury, and Venus will have been swallowed up by the Sun. The only serious debate among astronomers is if the Earth will be swallowed up or just miss being swallowed by the Sun. Either way, all life will be gone billions of years before that happens. That is your global warming. Silly debates about carbon in the air and conserving gasoline are like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic to keep it from sinking. The ship still sunk, the planet will still be turned into a cinder.

You don’t have to worry about being flooded because that is part of the natural cycle of this planet. My house in Fort Lauderdale was three miles from the beach; if you dug more than a foot you will hit coral. That means that my house used to be under water, that water has receded for now but will return over time, the problem is that the next time it will flood my house will be about two thousand years from now. Call me crazy but I am not really worried about my house two thousand years from now.

This brings us to what can man do. The answer is simple, we have to leave the solar system because there is not another planet that can sustain life. Some idiots say we can move to Mars. Mars is too small to sustain human life. Its gravity is too weak to hold the air we need and any produced will simply float off into space. The heaviest gas the planet can hold is CO2, where is the global warming there? On a summers day the temperature on Mars gets all the way up to -48 degrees. A few time a heat wave was monitored on Mars where the temp got all the way up to zero. So much for the argument of global warming due to CO2 levels.

The AGW train is finally losing steam, steam it should never have had in the first place.  The number of skeptical scientists vastly outnumbers the 'true believers', despite the efforts of Al Gore & other 'true believers' to dismiss them as 'the fringe.'

Careful!  When beleivers lose their god, they often resort to barbarity.

O MY HOW DIDNT I FIND OTHER STUFF POSTED HERE OUTSIDE OF POLITICS!

Heres my take. Global warming been going on from the time the earth was born. Its a cycle. We will see 10 or so years below avg temps and it will be colder.... then 10 -20 years form now it will seem and be warmer than avg.

All this is is a money making machine. Installing fear in people makes them want to change and that change cost money.

Daiwa, you stole my thunder! I was writing a briliant article based on this report you posted pointing to the idiots that still believed in global climate change. oh well back to a blank sheet of paper.

Dr. Guy, the barbarity has been going on for almost a decade, they have pushed it to its limit and now the good guys are pushing back.

America has always been like that.  Slow to anger, but terrible when awakened.  Gore went too far this time.  But then he never got points for intelligence.

I'd say it is worthy of a new article, given the alarmist media reports now being spewed - BO has run out of time and must act immediately, etc., etc.  The 'North Pole will be gone in 5 years if we don't act now' - Gore threw that tidbit out over the weekend in in a (paid) speech in Germany.  Fortunately, his appearance there did not contribute anything to global warming since he rowed his own boat across the Atlantic & rode a bike from the south of France to Germany.  The only downside was the rise in the average December air temperature of Germany from his hot air.