how else is ACORN expected to pay irregular workers? apparently its illegal to pay per registration. so how else is ACORN supposed to conduct its business? a quota seems perfectly reasonable to me, and to ACORN's credit, they put all of their forms through a very in depth screening process. very few false registrations make it & even so, nobody votes using those documents. FYI ACORN hires criminals as part of a rehabilitation process that most prisons make use of.

prove that Obama is more of a criminal than anyone on this board. If all you can say is that he hangs out with criminals, then you must have forgotten who McCain has been meeting with, giving speeches to, & voting with. Bush & ACORN. just now i saw a speech that McCain gave to ACORN, last time i did research about ACORN, i saw McCain attending another ACORN rally. & lets not forget that McCain has been a Bush supporter for some time. For those who may not realise it, Bush is a worse criminal than Ayers. Atleast Ayers was honest about his intentions, Bush lied to America to start a war that was pointless and unneccesary. What happened to finding & punishing Osama Bin Laden? was he not in Afghanistan? after 9-11, i admit i did not realise the full implications ( i was still in elementary school @ the time) but I stil had the sense to think "hey shouldnt we be going after the guy who caused all this?" at 1st we did, but then everyone seemed to forget about afghanistan & focused on Iraq. If Osama didnt die of old age, then hes sitting relativly cormfortable in a cave somewhere while his agents continue to terrorize and kill american citizens and soldiers.So if haveing a breif committe meeting w/ Ayers present makes you a criminal, then how come McCain hasnt been thrown in prison or hung yet?

You can pretty much consider yourself disregarded whenever you use the phrase 'Bush lied' - the sure sign of a thoughtless DK bot.

proove it? you have seen one proof after another brought by many people, in video and in audio...

Bush lied? oh please...

Mccain with acorn? on video? show me.

How the fuck did ayers avoid the chair?

Friends (Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Schumer) in high places.

obviously not if ur so willing to comment about it

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Acorn_pushes_back_hugs_McCain.html?showall

that 1 is a pic w/ a story my internet is not being very cooperative right now but if u go to colbertnation.com you can look up his latest video (october 20 i believe) which has the video of McCains speech to ACORN

right.. so a picture of mccain... which could be anywhere, with a title that says he is at acorn, where he seems to be... sitting...

Not quite as incriminating as barak movies where he is flat out saying what his connection to acorn is. (he takes pride in it, heck he says that is what makes him fit for president... "pre senate experience" so he says)

well i already told you it was a pic & you didnt metion at all if you checked colbertnation.com, and i would take pridew in working for/with ACORN too. they do a lot of good work, they just got a bad rep recently because politicions have blown its problems way out of proportion.

colbernation.... shows videos of some liberal talk show host trying to use the "ridicule method of mind control" (aka, label something as ridiculous, and no matter how correct it is people would be afraid to even question it... sounds like "get this people, they say that you could save gas by... INFLATING YOUR TIRES! I can not make this up!"). It doesn't help that he has a "fake laugh" soundtrack play along every now and then.

And his arguments are retarded too.

Acorn... where to begin... what does acorn do?

1. Register (unemployed?) liberals to vote, thus further undermining our economy, military, and government. (this is their STATED purpose and the one that they are open about)

If they just tried to register everyone, and encouraged political discourse where people could come and argue their points it would be fine.

2. Put pressure on the government to deregulate sub par lending, thus helping facilitate the housing crisis. (also part of their stated purpose).

3. Harass, stalk, and threatened bank execs to make them give out more sub par lowns. (some of it is stated, using demonstrations for example)

4. Sue banks to help them force more sub par lowns.

5. Bulk register fake votes and use them to vote democrat.

6. Work on silencing conservatives. (such as the case recently with the claim of threats to obama's life, but for some reason they cannot produce the record of the phone call their representative made).

7. Hire convicted criminals to handle the voter registrations (lets rehabilitate criminals by giving them all the info they need to steal a person's identity or plan out some crimes).

The absurd thing is that people protect them. The entire stated purpose of the organization is criminal and harmful to society, and any orginization IS responsible by law for the actions of its employees, why? because they facilitate those harmful actions by not having proper checks and balances, observations, internal oversight, etc...

Acorns state purpose?

A couple of bad eggs is out of proportion.  Multiple states investigating improprieties and felons coming forward with their stories is a deserved reputation.  It is a shame you would be associated with such an organization.,That speaks to your character (or lack thereof).

apparently you didnt even bother to watch many (if any at all) of his videos. ever since his own bid for the white house was crushed, colbert has been rooting for McCain (at least on every single show ive seen). and would that "ridicule method of mind control" include cracking jokes about McCain's brother calling 911 to comlpain about traffic? or making fun of ACORN because of their name? Colbet cracks jokes & does stupid things to illistrate his points. for instance, on 1 of his shows, he makes fun of McCain for bringing up his time as a POW so much. Hes trying to bring to the attention of his veiwers the fact that McCains used to answer many questions that usually have nothing to do with his past in any way, with the whole POW speech. hes not brainwashing you hes giving you something to think about.

thats funny, ive never heard, read, or even seen any evidence of ACORN registering only liberals. & how is helping citizens excercise their right to vote undermine the country? isnt the right to vote part of the basis of our country?

ive already said that im not a fan of everything ACORN does, so unless you missed that part, then all of that was just to make ACORN look bad (which is totally unnesseccary for anyone who actually did their homework)

*sighs*

i think that covers that. & even if ACORN was responsible, then they would need an awful lot of "Mickey Mouse" IDs.

well how else would you rehabilitate them? if you cant trust them with having other people fill out forms then what can you trust them with? and do you really think that ACORN would allow the "elite hackers or Identity theives" of the local jails to go unescorted? i doubt it.

its not that absurd, think about it. wouldnt you defend the person who gave you a voice? would you jail the person who is responsible for your ability to make a difference in the world? I would hate to be that person if so.

is that so bad? personally i could use a better house, better pay would b good too. it makes sense that people who hear about ACORN's stated purpose but havent heard about some of the worse things ACORN has done to defend them.

It speaks more of yours to judge someone you dont even know. especially if you happen to call yourself Christian. (not saying you do, but there is that possibility) and for the record, i have nothing to do with ACORN, im just standing up for them because they are recieving a lot more flak than they should.

Correct, I only watched one video (the one on the front page) before I saw it was worthless and wrote this, upon watching more I can see that half his stuff is pure comedy in bad taste that does not interest me, and the other half is his politics... which again, work by ridicule (due to the comedy part) and again is not in good taste...

I thought were having a political discussion here, not recommending comedy. If you want something funny to watch I recommend two and a half men or married with children. Much funnier than him.

Acorn doesn't give people a voice. They knock on your door and ask you to register and vote like they wish you to. You can, quite easily, and freely, register yourself (that is what I did), it costs nothing and allows you to vote. All ACORN does is let a criminal handle your sensitive information instead of a law abiding government worker...

Only if you think money magically poofs into existance. those things sound good on paper... but they all either mean "more money for you" or "more money for the city to fund citywide projects"... both which can not be helped by an organization...

The only thing an organization like that CAN do is persue wealth reditribution... aka take more money from say... other schools, and give it to the schools of memebers of the organization. (ofcourse, when that happens the other schools lower their property taxes so that they don't have "more money" anymore... and everyone gets worse education).

But yes, if you are stupid or just unaware of basic ecnomic principles (like "there is no such thing as a free meal, someone has to pay for it even if it is not you") than it DOES seem like an organization to defend. The thing is why are you defending the defending of such an organization. If someone wants to defend ACORN because they are stupid or ignorant, then I should think it a good thing to explain to people why that is a bad idea. Defending the defending is a bad thing.

Through jobs that don't require security clearance.

dont you think your being a bit quick to judge? thats like reading 1 chapter of a book & saying the rest sucks. Maybe that wasnt the best show hes done, honestly he must have done something right to get those awards. & to be nominated for others. personally i dont think most of his comedy is all that bad, but to each his own i guess.

that depends on who you ask. the homeless might not be able to register on their own for 1 reason or another. (not being able to go to the library, being to busy trying to survive, just finding a job, etc). ACORN did hire law abiding government workers, & then they saw an opportunity to help out the community by allowing certain inmates the chance to become part of society again. if it were me, i would like the chance to recover from a mistake i made. & its not like ACORN went & got the worst of the worst.

actually, if they play their cards right, they could do that very easily(fund raisers, charity drives, or asking people with a lot of money for donations a.k.a. bankers & politicans). redistribution of wealth does not mean taking money from those that need to pay for others in need, its more like taking from the rich to give to the poor. so if they were actually good at that, they would take those loans from bankers & give them to said schools. & that is why some people defend them, they get the big $$ from the people who can usually afford to spend that much & they atleast claim to put it to houseing or some other good use. you might be surprised as to how many people in this country are stupid. I saw an interview with a McCain supporter not long ago & she actually believes that Obama will go all "muslim terrorist" on us if elected. & there is always Ben Stein, last interveiw i saw with him he showed people how little he understands about evolution & i was quite surprised about it at the time.

do you know how hard it is to get clearance? wouldnt it be easier to just have a guard go around with them & make sure they dont do anything else illegal?

I'd have no problem with ACORN if they were a non-partisan public service organization working to register all potential voters and increase participation in the electoral process, but that's not what they are doing.   Just like the banks which were savaged for the practice of 'redlining' years ago (the outlawing of which led, ultimately, to the mortgage meltdown), ACORN is not sending any of the homeless people & aimless teens it hires to the suburbs to be sure all those middle class folks have registered - they are focusing their efforts entirely in geographic areas where the probability of Democrat votes (Ask not what your country can do for you, demand it!) is highest, in other words 'redlining.'  They are a Democrat-voter recruiting firm, despite their denials, and I don't think I've ever seen or heard anything about them working to increase voter registration & turnout for local elections in off-years.

if you feel so strongly that way, please, provoide some evidence, & of course they wouldnt be so concerned in the years between the elections, theres far less drive & interest than during the campaign. most people have other concerns.

he doesn't need to provide the evidence. The criminal prosecuters of several states are doing a good enough job of that.

how about some links then? its not too much to ask is it?

Since it appears you're bored, perhaps this will give you something to do.

They say Mussolini made the trains run on time.

NO, it does not speak about me, and I am not judging.  The facts are out there, you do not have to be clairvoyant to see them.  When you wallow with pigs, expect to get up dirty.  As I told another, I would not serve on the board of any organization that had criminals also on the board.  It speaks to the ethicacy of the organization.  You can choose to ignore it and stick your fingers in your ears and shout la-la-la, but that will not remove the stain or stink.

Yes, and better to have it on the democrats - who preach destruction, than on the republicans that only enact it?

You dont throw gas on a fire to put it out - unless you are a politician in Washington.

well yes i am rly bored, but that link really didnt have much detail about ACORN's legal troubles so another link would be helpful

you are not directly saying anything about me, but you are implying in a way that can be easily construde as judgemental. and yes it does, as it implys that you are a judgmental person. and im not sure what mussolini has to do with this discussion, but it is pretty late for me so mayb im just tired >.<

i wish both candidates would just stop talking, ive already lost interest in McCain because all he ever does is attack Obama now (and im starting to hear a lot of anti-McCain ads now too >.>), i dont want to vote against somebody, i want to vote for somebody.

That is the sad truth.. I am MORE against obama's wealth redistribution and criminal history then I am against McCain... but I'd trust most average joes I know more then either of them.

No, only one with a guilty conscious would "construe" anything.  And The statement about Mussolini is a popular one (and the reason that many Italians give for why he came to power and stayed there until the war).  It goes to the cliche "birds of a feather".  Obama associates with Acorn because he believes in their ends, and by associateion he condones their means.  Illegal and unethical as they are.  He is as dirty as they are, not legally, but ethically.

That is the wish of many, but seldom fulfilled

and who honestly doesnt feel guilty about something? not many i would believe. thx for the explanation about mussolini, but im not sure as to how it has to do with "birds of a feather". so mussolini managed to do something right as the leader of italy, big woop he screwed up plenty elsewhere. but the whole "guilty by association" thing is far more of a bronze-age concept. according to that logic, all germans living today are guilty of the holocaust, because they are in some way associated to hitler & his party that they voted into office. some where proud members of the Nazis party for years, but had nothing to do with the concentration camps. by that logic, people hired by ACORN in Maine 2 days before, are partially responsible for what happened in Nevada. & just because Obama wants the average joe to have better housing, better pay, & all that other good stuff, doesnt mean he wants to crash the economy or break the law. to go back to the germany reference, most, if not, all germans wanted their country to be powerful agian, most wanted to be proud of their nation, & so they elected the Nazi party because they promised exactly that. now does that mean that evry single germany who voted for them condones the holocaust, WWII, & the utter destruction of Europe? i dont think so.

It just goes to the point that even evil men can do something right.  It does not excuse their overall behavior.  Same with Acorn.  They may have started with good intentions, now they are just another criminal organization.  And to associate with them the way Obama has says a lot for his lack of ethics and morals.  And how "4 legs good, 2 legs better" fits Obama's campaign.