Your also forgetting the fact that according to his own grandmother he was born in Kenya, and his apparent Birth Certificate is a quick hackjob of his sisters. Forget about all the BS he's been feeding to everyone, he isn't even qualified to run for President, let alone be one.

What a bunch of Chicken Littles.  The sky is falling a Democrat might be elected president.  It's the end of the world.

That is not how it works.

The Presidential public finance system allows qualified presidential candidates to receive matching funds for small donations in exchange for agreeing to a spending limit during their primary campaign, and for the parties' nominees it provides a block grant to pay for their entire general election campaign as long as they receive no private contributions after the conventions.

They would each have the same size grant available after the conventions and that was the whole point of public financing, to reduce the chances of anyone "buying" the election.

Obama did promise in writing to take the public fimancing and later broke that prmise when he found out how much money he was able to raise on his own.

It is well established that he did infact break his promise as referenced below from a reasonably liberal source.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/28/campbell.brown.obama/index.html#cnnSTCText

Is that all you have to contribute to this discussion? I know it's hard not to fall into that typical liberal stereotype but come on now, you can do a little bit better? Rather than doing nothing at all in the conversation except throwing handfull's of your own feces at people who disagree with you why don't you try and use facts to disprove what someone has been saying?

On second thought.. it's kind of hard to refute what I've said when Obama's own grandmother acknowledges it. You know, the lady that helped raise him to which he often praises in his sunshine filled speaches?

I honestly don't know why I keep reading this thread as people post in it, even people twice as old as me act as if they have the maturity level of someone half my age.

Honestly, party association doesnt bother me, I cant even vote, I can however see right through lies when I hear them.. so.. Dem, Rep.. I'm going to support the person with better character.

In this case... beyond a doubt, its John McCain.

Which conveniently he doesnt need to provide proof of donor for....very slick.

Break out the snake oil.

Oh gee how provocative Steve- the troll said quit throwing handfuls of what???  Apply your words to yourself.  I've seen many posts which greatly exagerate this thing or that thing or some other thing.  I think my post had plenty of meaning.  Bunch of Chicken Littles.

This is how they try to avoid the lies that 0bama surrounds himself with.  Go search, it's not hard to find.  Jeesh....they always want someone else to do the work for them. 

Just to amuse myself though:

• Lied about public financing.
• Lied about his relationship with Bill Ayers.  Said he was a "guy in the neighborhood".  Turns out he has a significant past with Ayers that is still being revealed today.
• Lied about Wright.
• He lies about his relations with other shady associations (Rezco, etc)
• He leaves about big parts of his past, and still can't figure out who paid for his college.
• Lied about the reasons McCain doesn't use a computer.
• Lied about his relationship with lobbyists, especially ones who helped his wife.
• Lied about himself knowing the U.S. has 50 states.
• Lied about meeting dictators without preconditions.
• He lies about his stance on gun control.  He is one of the anti-legislators there is.
• Too many lies to list about his tax plans.
• Lied about his associations with ACORN.

Once again, he makes the Clintons look honest.  Read up on the "real" Obama and you might be surprised what you learn. 

It really is painful to watch him give a speech once you see the true side of things isn't it? The fact that people are not only buying into what he says but sticking up for him when he is accused of something is pretty saddening if you ask me.

Lets not forget the shady campaign donations 0bama is using.  The money that was taken from the brothers in the Gaza strip, the thousands of dollars being accepted, and not checking on the donors.

steve, the ONLY person running for the office of President of The United States that was born outside the United States is McCain. Obama was born in Hawaii, McCain in the Panama Canal Zone.

please, list ONE credible source where his grandmother states he was born in Kenya. even the idiot who was on Fox News a few weeks ago claiming Obama was born in Kenya, raised a Muslim, and wants to rid the world of Isreal admits he was wrong on all accounts now. that idiot even went to Hawaii to prove himself wrong. he does now say Obama's real father is a 1960's era black militant even though he admits he has no proof. 

personally, i think ALL elections should be funded by private means and not with taxpayer money. i do readily agree these private donations should be legit, though.

this post was approved by a "non-productive member of society". and no, i do not get food stamps, HUD, or any other program support.

Looks like all those conservative sheep  aren't done with crying .  How scandalous.  Gee, is there any moral, ethic or law that Obama hasn't broken?

A quick goolge search, here's a bunch. Take your pick:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2106135/posts

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3324

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/12/1990731-obama-born-in-kenya-his-grandmother-says-yes

Oh hey, look! A Democrat acknowledges it, and is suing him!: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931

Quick quote from the 3rd link: According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii

Quote from acticle 4: He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

So who's lying here? Barrack Obama or his half brother, half sister and his grandmother? What exactly do they gain by saying this? Absolutely nothing? Forget weither he's going to be a good President or not, HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE RUNNING FOR SUCH A POSITION. But im sure someone will just reply with some mudslinging comment as always. Ah well.

@BigDogBigFeet

54 going on 12? You aren't contributing anything to the discussion. Normally I'd say your just a spammer but there doesn't seem to be any angle to spam a forum without a postcount. So as you can see im curious as to what your angle is here?

How about what does his Birth Certificate say which is the legal definition for place of birth.  I have a feeling he actually has a genuine birth certificate issued in Hawaii legally showing he is a born citizen of the US.  Quit blowing smoke steve-.

You're such a relentless troll steve-.  I have a right to make posts of my choosing my posts don't need your approval.

as interesting as this campaign has been, its nothing compared to how interested im going to be to watch Obama come down to earth and actually try and DO what he's promised.

It'll be a classic case of.. I TOLD U SO.

"wait.. but he said 250k?? why am I being taxed?? "

And again, Im not partisan, cant vote, not even a citizen, just calling it as I see it from an educated point of view.

http://www.anobamanation.net/2008/06/obama-birth-certificate-photoshopped.html

http://constitutionallyright.com/2008/06/25/obamas-birth-certificate-a-fake/

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13040.htm

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_Birth_Certificate_TOTAL_FORGERY_FAKE_FRAUD_Kos_Kaught <- It got a digg!

http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/05/obama-birth-certificate-total-forgery-fake-fraud-kos-kaught-in-krime/

It's reported a fake, no one is blowing smoke here, just a bit curious as to your exact angle? Other than stirring that giant pot of some awful smelling brown substance...

Are you speaking from personal experience? Last time I checked posting my personal opinion wasn't considered trolling, especially when its on topic. Now If I where to simply spam an emote and say the sky is falling because of a democratic president to be in office that might be considered trolling, or flamebait. Take your pick. All you are doing is stirring that pot, you aren't contributing anything decent to this conversation. If anything the attitude you've displayed is exactly the kind of thing that people dispise in political conversations.

Thats enough said from me, I'm pretty much sick of the stirring.

Obama has a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii.  You can make all the demands you want of him to produce it for you.

i said a credible course, not one from a person's blog-type entry.

that's ok, steve, you go on about your ways of being totally blinded by mccain's ads and such. it's too bad mccain isn't the man/candidate he was 8 years ago. i'd vote for that man/candidate. i would've voted for him in 2000 but he dropped out of the primaries before my state's primary was held. mccain used to be a politician you could believe and support back then. i know, you're far too young to know anything about the 'old' john mccain. he can't seem to campaign based on the issues these days. it's all scare tactics and fools such as you believe everything you are told from the right-wing. i feel for you. the really scarey thing is people such as yourself will be running the country some day.

and no, i do not care about civility. it was not given to me at anytime in the last few months and not a single moderator told the other person(s) he/they was/were wrong. 

contributing to the discussion, you say? hell, boy, i contribute a hell of a lot here and what i say is based on FACT and actual life experiences, not hearsay provided by the right-wing and mccacin's ads.

say what you want, stevie boy. you haven't said anything yet that has been factual or true. i won't be back to read it, anyway. i'm history.

again, this post has been approved by a non-productive member of society, not an elitist who believes everything he's told.

Real quick before I go, I never said I support McCain. How's that saying go again? Assuming makes an ass out of you and me?

I wasn't talking to you, "boy".

I'm not interested in dealing with your nonsense.  I made my chicken little metaphor and you jumped me for it.  Claiming to do so was the equavalent of pitching you know what at others.  Ridiculous of you.  I'll say it again Obama's proof of citizenship is legally made by his Hawaii birth certificate.  It's simply a legal fact.

Im sure he has a valid B C... he wouldnt be running if he didn't

Still a liar though.

vStyler He can't hold a candle to the malarky in this thread, that's for sure.  Let me put on my tin foil helmet the sky is falling.

Big assumption.  But could be confirmed in a heartbeat - just ask the Governor of Hawaii to unseal it.  If it's valid, why does BO want to keep it sealed?  Of all the things that might require proof of citizenship, running for Pres would seem to be at the top of the list.  He apparently has a valid passport, which implies some things, but what does he have to lose by releasing his BC?

LOL BDBF

Well, i'm not going to let any of this get me too stirred up, I do find it interesting though how vastly different peoples views can be on the exact same thing.

lastly I have to say, I feel im fairly intelligent and a good judge of character, I understand that George Bush is not a lot of people's favorite person, and I sincerely hope that that is why Obama is doing so well.. cos.. as a person.. as a candidate.. he is shockingly flawed in character, experience, honestly and policy....imo.

The only thing Obama has to do is comply with the law.  All the smoke in this thread is a far cry from the requirements of the legal system.  If McCain thought there was a real BC issue with Obama he would be all over it and so would many others.