Obama: Lets See the Certificate

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Over the past couple of months, there has been quite a bit of speculation that Obama’s birth certificate holds a secret, one of which that he is not a natural born citizen therefore not eligible to be President of the United States.  Several petitions have been filed, and the SCOTUS has review and denied most that have come in.  I’m not really sure what to believe, as I have haven’t seen evidence either way to indicate whether Obama is or isn’t qualified to be President.

However, the thing that bothers me the most is Obama will not open the sealed document to put this matter to rest.  If he is about “change”, and so-called “open government” then he should have no problem releasing these documents and putting an end to the speculation.  But he doesn’t.

The Kenyan government has also put in place a gag order silencing Obama’s extended family from talking to the media about Obama.  Why?  Is it too much to ask for the American public to have the ability to ensure that the person who will run our country is completely eligible?

Is there anyone who objects to Obama having to show his eligibility to be President? 

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

However, the thing that bothers me the most is Obama will not open the sealed document to put this matter to rest. If he is about “change”, and so-called “open government” then he should have no problem releasing these documents and putting an end to the speculation. But he doesn’t.
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He's already admitted he had dual citizenship at birth, (British/Unite States), so he's not a "natural born citizen" and even if he were born here according to the founding fathers he's not eligible to be president. He didn't become a US only citizen until 1982.

The natural born qualification was put there by the founding fathers for reasons that no longer exist and is only appears to be relevant to those who can't get over it. 

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

turns out you're just as virally nuts as any and all those bushwhackers you've taken to task.   not to mention, appearing to be one hell of a hypocrite.

 

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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

Is there anyone who objects to Obama having to show his eligibility to be President?
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Why should he pander to people like yourself when he's already satisfied everyone of any importance? McCain and the Repulicans have never questioned Obama's citizenship, because they know there's no case to be made from it.

If every irrational request was responded to, public figures would never get anything done.

The Kenyan government has also put in place a gag order silencing Obama’s extended family from talking to the media about Obama.  Why?
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I imagine they'd quite like some aid money in the future, and are being utterly and possibly overly pragmatic about it. Why pointlessly antagonise a superpower by letting people spread gossip?

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

Why should he pander to people like yourself when he's already satisfied everyone of any importance?
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Apparently he has not, or it would not still be a question.

But ID's question is not whether he is a natural born citizen or not (I think SCOTUS would agree that a child born to a citizen of the US is a natural born citizen - intent and all).  But why he is hiding it?

It is like CLinton.  Why do they feel the need to lie and obfuscate when the truth is good enough?

That is the question.

If every irrational request was responded to, public figures would never get anything done.
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Funny how that issue only becomes an issue when a question is asked of a liberal.  But irrational requests are demanded of conservatives.  The best part of the election of Obama is to see the liberal hypocrisy laid bare for all to see. "Do as I say, not as I do" is no longer a cliche, but a way of life.

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

turns out you're just as virally nuts as any and all those bushwhackers you've taken to task. not to mention, appearing to be one hell of a hypocrite.
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Yes, wanting to make sure someone is eligible to be President is in the same class as the liberal loons from the past 8 years.  LOL.  Thanks for contributing nothing to the conversation.


Why should he pander to people like yourself when he's already satisfied everyone of any importance? McCain and the Repulicans have never questioned Obama's citizenship, because they know there's no case to be made from it.
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Just because McCain didn't have a set to question it doesn't mean anything. He hasn't satisfied anyone because he hasn't released anything.

Lets remember the media had a field day when someone questioned McCain's eligibility because of his birth in Panama.  What did McCain do?  He promptly released the documents and put an end to it. 

I guess the fake messiah is just too good enough, and you people talk about being hypocritical.  LOL.

 

 

Reply #8 from PolMach Forums Top

The natural born qualification was put there by the founding fathers for reasons that no longer exist and is only appears to be relevant to those who can't get over it. 

I must be missing something here.  To me the reason this is in there is the US  should not be entangled with a foreign power.  This reason is valid today as it was then.  For example, do we want an Israeli Prez attacking Iran, A Georgian Prez attacking Russia, a Tiwanese Prez attacking China.

 

Reply #9 from PolMach Forums Top

Excuse me for double posting, but I forgot to add that some on the left questioned McCain's eligibility because he was born on a foreign military base rather than US soil.

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

The reality is this question citizenship and need of proof looms over Obama.....it's his to answer. Why won't he? If it's true, why a gag order to his family in Africa? It's fishy and he's got to get rid of the fish smell.

Obama is no different from any other man who would be presidient of the USA, so why should he be treated differently. Before swearing in time, I want Obama to show proof without doubt that he meets the Constitutional requirements of being President.

He needs to provide once for all the documentation that will satisfy the law of the land and common citizens like me. If he doesn't do that the question of legitimacy will always be there.....

Members of Congress must be residents of the state from which they are chosen and members of state legislatures must be residents of their districts....

   

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

I think it's hilarious. Obama couldn't get a clearance to fill my job (if he was an ordinary guy without the political background), but apparently politics trumps security background checks. It seems all men are not created equal. We deserve all we get.

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

I am shocked to see anyone not care if Obama is eligible or not. Obama was voted in because some believed the Gov't has become corrupted and Obama would bring balance to it and yet here we are with questions of which answers are being hidden or avoided. Bush was criticized because of his military dismissal but it's OK for Obama to be President when we still wonder if he was eligable to be one at all.

When our culture reaches a point of not giving a dam about doing the right thing, we deserve to lose our status as the most powerful country in the world. I become more ashamed of my people every day that goes by. Our founding fathers would be ashamed if they lived today. We are not the country we claim to be or what our founding fathers and soldiers died for.

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

When our culture reaches a point of not giving a dam about doing the right thing, we deserve to lose our status as the most powerful country in the world.
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Personally, I don't give a hoot over our so called "status".  More importantly, if people don't wake up in a big way, it's noit status that will be lost, but our freedoms.

We are like frogs being slowly boiled to death....there are alot of frogs out there who don't care or want to know Obama's birth status.

 

Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Basmas, reply 4


http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

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That's a cute picture but offers no proof. A birth certificate is only valid with a raised state seal. I have scanned a valid birth certificate before and the state seal is evident. Why can't you see it in this document? 

 

Because it's not there.

Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

Apparently he has not, or it would not still be a question.
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there are questions and questions.

1. did the us really land on the moon?

2. did the bush administration stage 911 using robot-controlled planes? 

Reply #16 from PolMach Forums Top

Quoting kingbee, reply 15

Apparently he has not, or it would not still be a question.


there are questions and questions.

1. did the us really land on the moon?

2. did the bush administration stage 911 using robot-controlled planes? 
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There is a big difference between conspiracy theories and asking a guy to produce a birth certificate to prove that he fulfills the minimum requirements for a job.  Hell I had to provide a certified copy of my birth certificate when I got my job to prove I was a US citizen, why shouldn't any elected official have to provide documentation to their constituents that they meet the minimum requirements for the position for which they are running?

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

The natural born qualification was put there by the founding fathers for reasons that no longer exist and is only appears to be relevant to those who can't get over it.
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Wow, so it's not relevant just because you think it's not.  Kind of funny coming from the left who have screamed about the Constitution for 8 years, but somehow ignores something like this because it's Obama.

I am shocked to see anyone not care if Obama is eligible or not. Obama was voted in because some believed the Gov't has become corrupted and Obama would bring balance to it and yet here we are with questions of which answers are being hidden or avoided. Bush was criticized because of his military dismissal but it's OK for Obama to be President when we still wonder if he was eligable to be one at all.
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This is the fake messiah culture they have created around Obama.  He could slaughter baby kittens on stage and all you would here is "change, change".

During the election, MSDNC had no problem reporting on the McCain theory.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and his advisers are doing their best to brush aside questions — raised in the liberal blogosphere — about whether he is qualified under the Constitution to be president.  But many legal scholars and government lawyers say it's a serious question with no clear answer.
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Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting kingbee, reply 15

Apparently he has not, or it would not still be a question.


there are questions and questions.

1. did the us really land on the moon?

2. did the bush administration stage 911 using robot-controlled planes? 
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Did you ever post anything of substance?

Wow, so it's not relevant just because you think it's not.
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No, it is not relevant because they cant answer it.  IN the liberal mind, only questions they can answer (the answer does not have to be correct) are relevant.

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top

what documents do you want him to release?
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1. Obvious.....a real certified copy of his birth certificate

2.  Columbia College Records

3. Columbia Thesis paper

4. Medical Records (we sure heard of McCain's, Bush and Clinton's etc checkups)

5.Harvard College Records

6. Law Practice Client List

7. Illinois State Senate Schedule

8.  Illinois State Senate Records

As far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong) none of these things have been released to the public.  How about even a record of his baptism?   Did he have any Law Articles published while at Harvard?  I've heard NOT.   

I have a friend here who is a retired School Cafeteria Manager of a High School.  She was put under years of training working her way up.  She said there's no way Obama could have come in after only 143 days of experience and been a Cafeteria Manager.

Wake up people.  We just elected a President who couldn't even be a manager at Burger King after 143 days of experience. 

 

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

If the Chinese can fake a birth certificate....

Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top

Thanks for contributing nothing to the conversation.
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more like commenting on the pronouncements of one of those guys walks around by hisself talking animatedly (with or without a bluetooth) to those only they can see.

 

wanting to make sure someone is eligible to be President is in the same class as the liberal loons from the past 8 years.  LOL.
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don't seem to me much different than "wanting to make sure someone is actually elected president" and a hell of a lot less sane than "wanting to be sure someone is competent to be president...or anything else, for that matter".  

 

Several petitions have been filed, and the SCOTUS has review and denied most that have come in.
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to the best of my knowledge, it's rejected all--not most.  

 

what are the odds that any court investigating this sorta claim wouldn't demand to see evidence?  hell, even that dipshit judge alex eventually works his way around to proof about 1/2 the time.

Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top

Before swearing in time, I want Obama to show proof without doubt that he meets the Constitutional requirements of being President.
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if i were you, i'd want him to take an oath on the koran--cuz otherwise he'd just be bamboozling good christians like yourself. 

 

it is kinda innaresting seein you--for whom evidence is always trumped by revelation (for which there never is any evidence) suddenly demanding factual proof of anything. 

i know in my heart he meets the requirements...and that should be enough for everyone who knows something unproven (no matter what) in their hearts.

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Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

Did you ever post anything of substance?
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prostate bothering you again doc?

Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top

any kinda luck--realizing the relation between luck, common sense and sufficient intrinsic editiorial discipline to read what one's written, if only quickly, before clicking on the "post" button is nothing more than what might be termed 'making one's own luck"--i'll never discover myself strewing the place with anything so substantive as...

But why he is hiding it?

It is like CLinton. Why do they feel the need to lie and obfuscate when the truth is good enough?
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Did you ever post anything of substance?
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when there's nothing at all being hidden in the first place. 

before id serves yall another glass of koolaid while recommending you fill your pockets full of quarters in preparation for the great leap upward, you might wanna spend a few moments (or a few hours if your reading skills are at drguy level) here http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html possibly even invoking the baby jesus to open your mind and shut down them persisent paranoid voices in your heads long enough to discover the birth certificate provided by the obama campaign is exactly what is purports to be.

plenty of pix there including that pesky missing seal (on da back hawaiian style bra).

as far as the "secret crypto certificate" being 'sealed', try to bear in mind this ain't the kinda 'seal' imposed by the papacy or dick "the hardest workin executive privilege claimant in show biz' cheney--much less any sorta special treatment or anything requiring action on the part of hawaii's governor.  in this instance, it's nothing more nor less than common ordinary regulations to preserve your privacy and that of your college records, healthcare history, information provided to obtain a driver's license, etc. 

on the other hand, there's just gotta be a reason they keep all them so-called moon rocks locked away, right?

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting KFC, reply 19


what documents do you want him to release?
1. Obvious.....a real certified copy of his birth certificate

2.  Columbia College Records

3. Columbia Thesis paper

4. Medical Records (we sure heard of McCain's, Bush and Clinton's etc checkups)

5.Harvard College Records

6. Law Practice Client List

7. Illinois State Senate Schedule
8.  Illinois State Senate Records

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Try googling-

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/obama_releases_health_informat.html

The birth details have been released, the medical details have been released and the rest is actually nothing to do with if he can be leader of the USA and a lot of is will be covered by confidental details