New Feature Request: Metaverse Score Deleting

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I have found that in my games, my low scores have caused my 'average' for the metaverse to go down. In rememdy of this problem I would liek to be able to delete my low/old scores so that my metaverse score won't be weighted down as much by my other scores. Possibly some of you have this dilemma too and would liek to do this?

I know that the metaverse score is not a actual average, but in a way its a 'weighted average'.

Despite that in the future my other old/low scores may help, they no longer matter to me, and they are more of a annoyance rather than being a true and accurate reflection of my current skill level and real score.

I won't argue about the scoring system, or complain as I am sure enough people have addressed their thoughts about it (I am contempt with it however). But I feel as though we can post scores, we should be able to delete them in a similar way as how the metaverse moderators do.

Another affect of this is for those with submitted 'anomalous' scores. This would certaintly save time and fustration in people trying to get the deleted and re-submitted, thus with this option available to registered metaverse players, they are able to take care of this problem more efficiently.

Brad seemed to have liekd the idea of this, and I do hope it will soon be in use, but I also wanted to see what other people though about it. :)
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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top
I would hope that this isn't implemented because you had the choice of submitting the score or not - you submit it, you deal with the consequences, good or bad.

Besides, your best bet to eliminate the effect of a few bad scores is just to keep submitting - get enough games and almost anything is additive.
Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top
Wow, you can take a totally valid reasoning on why
removing scores should be allowed and twist it into
a reason why it shouldnt be allowed.

In discussion the fact that it was a choice to submit
to begin with was one of the biggest reasons why being
able to remove it was a good idea.
Ashes of the Singularity II
Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top
Besides, your best bet to eliminate the effect of a few bad scores is just to keep submitting - get enough games and almost anything is additive.
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Why should I (or anyone else) have to work twice, no, three times as hard to bring their scores up to par? Then the game/metaverse doesn't become fun, it becomes work.
Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top
If you have the choice whether or not to submit them, you should have the choice whether or not to remove them. Where is the big Issue here?

I would rather the game saves all your finished scores and autosubmits em behind your back when you log on. Old scores would then fade. But that's just evil me.
Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top
If Stardock is willing to invest time creating this feature, I don't see why not.

It's supposed to be a personal record / hall of fame as well so it's alright to give players a way to administer it if they choose.
Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top
I would furthermore, want this submission behind the back on the part of the game to include tags like. HEY, THIS GUY SAVED AND LOADED 100 TIMES!!!! Or What's this, an up pq by 80% mod? :) But again, that's just evil me and it would be hard to code.
Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top
:D

Hey, talking about saving and loading. Can I take advantage of Stardock's spirit of generosity in granting new features to re-request for an Ironman mode in Galciv? No idea how much work it takes though.

We could then have in the Metaverse a nice indicator next to the game that states that it was won in ironman mode. This would also facilitate community-run tournaments.
Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top
ironman being no reloading? that would be cool if it
could be done without getting around it.
Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top
Yes, no reloading, forced saving when you end a session and autoload from that when you restart.

Well there will always be people who would try but let's not let that concern stop a cool feature.
Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top
Why should I (or anyone else) have to work twice, no, three times as hard to bring their scores up to par? Then the game/metaverse doesn't become fun, it becomes work.
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Why did you submit them then in the first place, then? Either you care about score or you don't - if trying to achieve some sort of rank was important to you then you shouldn't have been submitting a slew of single and double digit scores and then whining about it down the road.

Letting people edit their scores just allows for retroactive tailoring for the best metaverse score possible from your set of scores and compels others to do the same. Use some forethought instead of asking for people to help you take back things that were never intended to be taken back.
Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top
Hehe... U got me on that one, but I think the problem would be with the crash bugs not the Ironman.

Cari said she fixed quite a number for 1.04 so we shouldn't be seeing a lot of those. The most common crash at gigantic end games should be fixed as well.
Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top
Hey CodeMonkey, why would u care if someone wanted
to retroactively tailor their score? It has no effect
on your scores.

I thought you were all about making things nicer for
the players, exactly how is this making this harder
for anyone?

So what, you dont care about the rankings anyway right?
So why do you have such a strong opinion about it.
Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top
Why did you submit them then in the first place, then? Either you care about score or you don't - if trying to achieve some sort of rank was important to you then you shouldn't have been submitting a slew of single and double digit scores and then whining about it down the road.
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Well lets think about it, shall we? When I was new to all of this, I wanted to play. Then I became interested in the metaverse. So I submitted scores and was happy, until I found that I was going no where compared to much higher scores. Well it took me a while to catch on since I was new to the game, as I am sure it is for other people. Therefore I believe that I should be able to get rid of those old 'learning' scores....or any other ones as I please. I should be able to reset it all and have nothing if I wanted.

You don't have to do anything to your scores, but if I created my own, I should be able to delete them.

That also leads me to another obvious part you missed. Those with anomalous scores. I don't need to repeat myself so scroll up and read the post again.
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Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top
There will always be people who will do funny things with Metaverse features. Like deleting all their scores save their highest but that would be pathetically obvious to those who care.

But to those who don't care about scores, this feature is fine IMO.
Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top
Codemonkey: Still I don't see the big difference. Can you not choose which ones to submit? How is taking one out any different in that regard? If you're gonna make it optional to submit anyway, I don't see the difference.
Reply #17 from Stardock Forums Top
So why do you have such a strong opinion about it.
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Because I've got these wacky ideas about personal accountability. My opinion is if you don't want a score to count, don't submit it, period.

If they let people delete scores, so be it, but EBZero asked what we thought about the idea and then bitched and moaned because I disagreed with him :notsure:
Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top
If they let people delete scores, so be it, but EBZero asked what we thought about the idea and then bitched and moaned because I disagreed with him
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Bitching and moanining? Where? I was simply giving my input to your response as well.

If you weren't posting in such a bad tone, then maybe I'd be friendlier ;)

But its whatever you precieve it as, and I'm not gonna care anymore.
Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top
Because I've got these wacky ideas about personal accountability. My opinion is if you don't want a score to count, don't submit it, period.
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Personal accountability in a Video Game? Don't cheat, don't submit an unaproved modded game. That's all the personal accountability required. There's a difference between standing on principle and hiding behind it.

Allowing a player the option to delete a metaverse score has nothing to do with personal accountablity.

Like I said. I'd rather the game automatically submit em if the player is registered. But if it's gonna be optional to submit anyway, the option to take one back ought to be put up there too.

One caveat. If the game detects cheating and gives you a zero for it, then you'd better prove your case to get it removed. The option should not be available to undo an attempted cheat.
Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top
I believe the standing instruction is as follows:

"If we believe users are modifying the game in such a way designed to artificially inflate scores, we will remove that player from the Metaverse. There will be no warnings."

... and thus there is no need to justify your case or delete that score.

My impression is that anomalous scores are those with bug problem (such as the one you experienced) and they seem to get restored once the problem is resolved.
Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top
I know I dubmitted a loss when I just wanted to see if I finally got my score to register. I would not mind getting rid of it. :)
Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top
Why not only your 10 or 15 best scores count for your total score, but the rest of your submitted games do get noted. Also cool: different rankings/ medals for different galaxy sizes.
Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top
The problem is not that you should be able to delete your scores. The problem is that a bad score should never count against you.

The point of the metaverse was to encourage people to submit their savegames, so GalCiv can be improved.

However, the scoring formula means that you can be penalized for submitting a bad score. The current metaverse system violates an important principle: A player should *NEVER* be penalized for submitting a result. In the worst case scenario, a bad score should be ignored completely.

My reccommended solution is pretty simple: drop the low scores when computing your overall score. When computing the overall score, see if dropping the lowest score would improve your rank. If yes, drop it. Repeat until dropping the lowest score is no longer a benefit. That's easy to implement (just a sort and a for loop), and answers all the concerns.
Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top
What is a 'bad score'? What should the metaverse consider as a 'bad score'?

Perhaps your perception of a 'bad score' would differ from someone else's. Just a thought...
Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top
To fsk+

Argh! I see the same incorrect suggestion again.

Example: score of 5000, 2000, 2000 - > total score 5000, 4950, 5196

Don't want to post my suggestion 3rd time - it's in 'Suggestions 1.03' and in other tread about metaverse.

~SDC~