Are you willing to admit your ignorance?

Be honest with yourself here, you know you can be ignorant to things from time to time but still act as if you know what you're talking about. I know I do it quite often. How often do you go thru life never knowing the true meaning of a word yet using it constantly as if you did? Every once in a while I notice this in myself. Why I don't catch on at first is beyond me, I guess my mind wants to believe it knows and then eventually realizes it's not sure anymore.

I'll give you an example of one that happened today to me. I was talking to a co-worker about how I was up til late last night helping a friend who lives in Australia install some new maps for our computer game Call of Duty World at War. They guy is not very computer literate and trying to explain to him where to go, what options to activate or deactivate on Windows Vista and using winrar became very difficult so I ended up having to remotely control his computer from mine. It's pretty neat to be able to control someones computer from the US all the way to Australia. I was up till late but was able to set some of the maps seeing as he did not have them all downloaded and there were at least 30 maps that I was aware of and I did not plan on staying up another 2 hours downloading and installing the maps. Anyways, this morning, as I shared this "late night adventure" with my co-worker I started thinking about when I joined the clan I play with online called The Brotherhood Clan; our tags in the game are [BHC]. As usual, my mind begins to wander and I find myself questioning everything and eventually asked myself "why does my clan use the word clan?". I have seen other words to describe a group of people who hang together kinda like a club and considering the word clan tends to be associated with the KKK quite often, I found it interesting to see they chose to call themselves a clan as oppose to guild.

This is where I realized my ignorance as I had to admit to myself that I did not know the true meaning of the words clan or guild. Gosh, how many times have I heard and used these words and never really knew the real meanings. I have an idea of what they represent but it's always been my understanding that while there are words out there that can mean the same thing but are spelled differently, sometimes they also mean something else or something more specific than just the common definition.

According to a couple of website definitions, the word "clan" means the following:

kin: group of people related by blood or marriage

A clan is a group of people united by kinship and descent, which is defined by perceived descent from a common ancestor. ...

According to the same sites, the word "guild" means the following:

club: a formal association of people with similar interests; "he joined a golf club"; "they formed a small lunch society"; "men from the fraternal order will staff the soup kitchen today"

A guild is an association of craftsmen in a particular trade. The earliest guilds were formed as confraternities of workers.

It's a shame I did not know this, I'm glad I do now though. It's interesting to see how both definitions are similar and different at the same time; while both intend to form some kind of club based on mutual interest, one is based more on kinship while the other could be anyone. This makes my clans choice to use the word clan even more interesting, I don't think any of us are kin or descendants of each other (unless you look at it from a religious standpoint but that's not the point). Guild seems to describe us better, but hey, it's not my clan and I'm not complaining, just a thought.

Whats even more interesting is that online gaming description of both these words:

In computer and video gaming, a clan or guild is a group of players who regularly play together in a particular (or various different) multiplayer games . These games range from groups of a few friends to 1000-person organizations, with a broad range of structures, goals and members. ...

I know feel much better knowing th true meaning of each word and also the online gaming version of them and now I wonder a little less about the reason behind picking the word clan over guild or some other club-like word. But it's only a matter of time before I find myself not truly knowing the meaning of a particular word that I always thought I did know.

How often do you admit to yourself you don't know the meaning of a word? You would think one would just look it up quick to avoid looking stupid or something but we have seen more often that not many don't bother (myself included). I don't expect everyone to know the meaning of every single word, but don't you think people should at least make the effort to know the meaning of words before they go around pretending to know?

In a time where people have given new meanings to words either because it's a "cool" thing or because it suits their political agenda; I think when it comes to matter that put peoples lives on the line, one should know the true meaning of a word before throwing it around praying on the ignorance of the average person for personal gain.

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I've noticed a distinction between how the two words are used with online games.  A group formed around FPS or (less commonly) RTS games tend to use the 'clan' designator.  Meanwhile, groups formed around MMORPG games tend to use the 'guild' designator.  Functionally, there's no difference.

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Interesting article Charles. When I was serving in the military, if anyone had their facts wrong at least as far as the information was available, they would be dog-piled. So that was good training for me IMO. I may comment on things in which I'm not privy to each detail (I suppose that could be considered some form of ignorance) but I will answer based on my experience with the subject. I will usually place a disclaimer stating it is my opinion.

As for words, I never in my adult life use a word I don't know the meaning of. I guess anyone is subject to using words out of context, but for someone to use words they don't understand can be down right funny. I've seen it happen, and it can ruin a persons credibility quick. I heard a long time ago (not sure if it's true, but it sounds plausible) that the average person uses about 300 different words a day and that their vocabulary ranges about 3000. It doesn't seem like much, but I guess it gets the job done for most.

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I admit it--I'm a word snob.  I would never say I was scared if I were apprehensive, nervous if I were jittery, afraid if I were fearful, worried if I were fretting--you get the idea.  Words have always been my passion and often when people talk, I see the words stream above their heads like in a cartoon!  Hearing someone use the wrong word for me is like fingernails on a blackboard is for others--I have a jangling physical reaction.  Do I use words incorrectly?  Of course--but as soon as I hear myself do it, I have that reaction.  Do I use words I can't define?  Sometimes I use words that more convey a sense of themselves to me rather than a true dictionary definition, but I could definitely explain their meaning to someone.

I'm much more guilty of pretending to have knowledge of things that I know little about--like when someone is talking to you about something you really don't know much about, you tend to try to hang in there rather than admit to them that you're lost.  No one likes to appear 'dumb' but how can people be expected to know something about everything?   And I also find that as I get older, 'facts' shift.  Things I was absolutely sure I learned somewhere turn out to kind of mutate and get off kilter, which means I know even less than I did!  I'm happy to admit that here--but not so much to the husband!

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Yea, I tend to try to comment and not look stupid about something I know little about, especially specific words but I am not usually successful with it. My ignorance shines like a disco ball.

But what bugs me more about myself is that I am aware of many words I have no understanding of, such as the word "jangling" that judi75 just used, but I can't bring myself to research the meaning more often. Then when it pops up again, it make sme feel even dumber than the first time.

Now that I wrote this article, I find myself wanting to make sure I research words that I don't understand fully. I will also ask my clan leaders why they chose clan instead of guild although what ChaosManager said makes a lot of sense.

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Depends on the day and mood; I tend to be extremely stubborn on things, although I do prefer to learn and not be ignorant.

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But what bugs me more about myself is that I am aware of many words I have no understanding of, such as the word "jangling" that judi75 just used, but I can't bring myself to research the meaning more often.
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Two solutions Charles... don't use the word (if you can live without it) or better yet if you come across one like at JU for instance, open a web dictionary or MS word if you have it and cut and paste it in then do a quick look up. I like when others use "uncommon" words. It's good for everyones vocabulary, as long as it's used in proper context. I would only consider it snobby if someone tried to do it in every sentence they uttered. Also be aware many folks write much differently than they speak.

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Two solutions Charles... don't use the word (if you can live without it) or better yet if you come across one like at JU for instance, open a web dictionary or MS word if you have it and cut and paste it in then do a quick look up.
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Yea, the trick is to get me to do it. $20 to anyone who can get me to do this. :-"

Also be aware many folks write much differently than they speak.
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Yea, I've learned that already. LW made sure I knew that. LOL.

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old jewish saying is... "a wise man knows he doesn't know" (everything that is)...

But knowing the saying and following it are two different things entirely :)

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:hot:  I refuse to admit my ignorance.  I know everything.

 

Actually there are many things I don't know...and I can accept this.  Just gives me something to learn about in the future.  Keeps life from getting too boring.

~Zoo

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I refuse to admit my ignorance. I know everything
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Oh come on Zoo, we all know your knowledge is limited. I mean, you defend Obama every once in a while, that alone says it all. :rofl:

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Actually there are many things I don't know...and I can accept this. Just gives me something to learn about in the future. Keeps life from getting too boring.
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Not many people can. I may come accross as one of them but I just tend to be stubborn about my beliefs and most of the time I admit I am wrong when I am.

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Oh come on Zoo, we all know your knowledge is limited. I mean, you defend Obama every once in a while, that alone says it all.
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Well, I do happen to agree with him here and there.  Besides, someone has to be the voice of reason around here. ;)

Eh, I lean to the left a bit.  Sometimes conservatives have a good point...but I like to take things on a case by case basis.  Plus it's fun to mess with you guys. :D

~Zoo

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Besides, someone has to be the voice of reason around here.
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I agree. ;P

 

Eh, I lean to the left a bit.
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A chiropractor can fix that you know. :P

 

Actually there are many things I don't know...and I can accept this. Just gives me something to learn about in the future. Keeps life from getting too boring.
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Not many people can. I may come accross as one of them but I just tend to be stubborn about my beliefs and most of the time I admit I am wrong when I am.
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I personally love to learn and will be a life long student, of everything. Currently I'm trying to teach myself a few things; it's been hit and miss.

 

~Alderic

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A chiropractor can fix that you know.
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I'll stick to real doctors, thanks.

~Zoo

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Quoting Zoologist03, reply 14

A chiropractor can fix that you know.
I'll stick to real doctors, thanks.

~Zoo
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I wasn't implying myself, and they are real doctors Zoo.

 

~Alderic

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chiropracters only made things worse for me, plus I know more about medicine then any chiropracter i have seen to date. They adjust healthy individuals, children (soft bones, don't need adjustment), they claim it cures everything from cold to cancer (only thing it can cure is nerve pinching... and thats a big if, my experience is that it made things worse)..

I started out with a bad neck, then a chiropracted adjusted my lower back and it got progressively worse as it was adjusted. Then the chiropracter i was seeing afterwards for neck and back adjusted my upper rib, it has gotten progressively worse (from being completely healthy)... Sure when they pop it, it feels better for a little while, but it almost immediately gets bad again, and the more adjusting you get the worse off you are...

I mean fuck, the chiropracter association in my city is distributing progesterone to all the individual practitioners, who then give it to all their patients, male or female. for helping with preventing osteoporosis. (progesterone is a female hormone regulating their period. It is necessary to give to MENOPAUSAL WOMEN to prevent osteoporosis. however giving it to non menopausal women has resulted in decreased period symptoms but massive increase in cancer rates... and giving it to men is utterly stupid)

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chiropracters only made things worse for me, plus I know more about medicine then any chiropracter i have seen to date. They adjust healthy individuals, children (soft bones, don't need adjustment), they claim it cures everything from cold to cancer (only thing it can cure is nerve pinching... and thats a big if, my experience is that it made things worse)..

I mean fuck, the chiropracter association in my city is distributing progesterone to all the individual practitioners, who then give it to all their patients, male or female. for helping with preventing osteoporosis. (progesterone is a female hormone regulating their period. It is necessary to give to MENOPAUSAL WOMEN to prevent osteoporosis. however giving it to non menopausal women has resulted in decreased period symptoms but massive increase in cancer rates... and giving it to men is utterly stupid)
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You know I've never had any problems with my chiropractor, and I've been seeing him for around ten years, whereas my mother and sister have gone for much longer than I. Perhaps it's just your people?

Your back problem could be other reasons. I had a problem with my back for about 4 years, and found out it was reoccuring not because of his supposed ineptness, but: 1) How I carry myself in walking, and 2) My weight.

 

As for the progesterone - there are studies that support it helping with osteoporosis among other things. Btw, progesterone is also in males.

 

 

 

 

~Alderic

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they are real doctors Zoo.
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They aren't medically licensed.  It's alternative "medicine" plain and simple. 

You'd probably feel a lot better going to a masseuse.

~Zoo

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April 9, 2009 19:02:47

they are real doctors Zoo.
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They aren't medically licensed. It's alternative "medicine" plain and simple.

You'd probably feel a lot better going to a masseuse.

~Zoo
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Uh, actually no. They are licensured through a national agency; the Council on Chiropractic Education, which has its accreditations recognized by the US Dept. of Ed. They're also required to pass four exams, etc...They don't call it Chiropractic medicine for the giggles. I could provide more info, but I'm suspecting you're still going to say no.

 

~Alderic

 

 

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Oh, and actually no - I tried that. It may have felt good for the moment (especially with the massuse, lol ), but it didn't change anything. 

 

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As for the progesterone - there are studies that support it helping with osteoporosis among other things. Btw, progesterone is also in males.
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that is what i said, that it helps with osteoporosis... but is only needed by MENOPAUSAL WOMEN! And men definitely do NOT need any EXTRA progesterone.

But you are right, its pure conincidence that the 5 chiropracters i went to were all horribly inept. (they all had completely different technique too, even those who proclaim to be of the same school of the 12 different schools of chiropractice).

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that is what i said, that it helps with osteoporosis... but is only needed by MENOPAUSAL WOMEN! And men definitely do NOT need any EXTRA progesterone.
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From what I've read that is still under debate.

 

But you are right, its pure conincidence that the 5 chiropracters i went to were all horribly inept. (they all had completely different technique too, even those who proclaim to be of the same school of the 12 different schools of chiropractice).
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The one I go to is good, real good.

 

 

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Uh, actually no. They are licensured through a national agency; the Council on Chiropractic Education, which has its accreditations recognized by the US Dept. of Ed. They're also required to pass four exams, etc...They don't call it Chiropractic medicine for the giggles. I could provide more info, but I'm suspecting you're still going to say no.
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They don't have an M.D. after their name.  That's what I'm concerned about.  They can straighten a spine, sure...but there are a lot of quirky philosophies they have and claims aside from just lining up your bones.  There is no conclusive evidence that it's actually useful for anything.  It's a stone's throw away from hocus pocus like homeopathy in my opinion.  The only thing they can do is make your back feel a bit better, and even that may be placebo.  Let's just say I have a healthy skepticism.

~Zoo

 

 

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They don't have an M.D. after their name. That's what I'm concerned about. They can straighten a spine, sure...but there are a lot of quirky philosophies they have and claims aside from just lining up your bones. There is no conclusive evidence that it's actually useful for anything. It's a stone's throw away from hocus pocus like homeopathy in my opinion. The only thing they can do is make your back feel a bit better, and even that may be placebo. Let's just say I have a healthy skepticism.
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A healthy dose of skepticism isn't bad, but frankly it sounds like you're spitting distance away from close mindedness.

 

~Alderic

 

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Wow a liberal cat fight over chiropractors. Here's a thought, once Obama gets his national health care in place, you won't have to worry about chiropractors, I'm sure they won't be covered. You'll have to spring for that on your own dime. The waiting lines will be full enough with hypochondriac's getting their "fair share" of treatment, to bog it down further. The projected cost to the tax payer is enough to induce illness.