UB stratergy - need tips

read my guide, it has many useful tips: http://forums.demigodthegame.com/354155

I...I honestly think this may be the worst build for UB I've ever seen. From going with Ooze and spit, to increasing foul grasp, to not getting a single point in diseased claw, to almost maxing out speed up but not getting acclimation (which is insane against spike based DGs, IE everybody who isn't another UB), this build is just bad all around.

Of course, you don't know any better, so it's fine. Just check out the guides in the stickied topic, or Transitive's guide; they have good tips.

Haha, I thought it might be a bit dodgy. I've never used spit so would it be better to remove the points in that and put one point in acclimation, rest in stats?

Is diseased claw that good? It may just be that the CPU don't get many speed upgrades but I almost never get outrun. especialy with the maxed out speed/attack speed one.  I dislike using the one that increases your attack speed and the one that drains because whenever I use the attack speed one all my mana is basicaly gone, and then I never have enough to drain/stun prevent them from teleporting.

you know, you don't have to take EVERY skill.

e.g., skip everything that costs mana to use and just keep foul grasp. That way you can concentrate on buying life items and are nearly mana independent. Keep foul grasp to prevent teleports and healing attempts and win with melee augmented by ooze.

the passive skills of UB are pretty powerful, btw.

Tip: NEVER invest beyond the first Foul Grasp. No matter what build or anything. This can also be true for diseased claws since the first one is the best improvement, but if you feel like getting more you could since it's passive. Foul grasp just becomes a waste of mana and skill points after the first one.

Didn't they nerf Foul Grasp to make it like this? I forget what the stats were before.

I've always found that foul grasp gets better and better. It drains more health and can be used as a finisher. It can do quite a lot of damage and be used to heal yourself if you can't get out fast enough to use HoL. I'm going to try anoth, er build next time I play

full + acclimation

Full foul grasp

one point diseased claw

post morton + first plague

No spit

No the other move

Full ooze, rest in stats. Is it possible or have I run out of points? Is there some kind of tree builder around here or something?

Here's the tree builder you're looking for: http://www.demigoddb.com/

EDIT: With the above set you won't be able to max out stats, as you'll only have enough points for 5 out of the 6 of them. But you'll be able to get everything else you wanted.

this is absolutely true.

actually, that quite depends on the build.

If you have solely Foul Grasp as active skill, then you can afford the extraordinary mana cost.

And for some reason it feels like foul grasp does more damage than listed.

the most important thing Foul Grasp does is stun and interrupt enemies. the health drain is purely secondary. additional points cause its mana cost to scale up at a very fast rate for only a marginal rate of return on the health drain.

most of the time you gain almost no utility (or even negative utility) by spending additional points in Foul Grasp. only in very late game scenarios will your mana situation be comfortable enough to justify additional points. this is subject to debate. many believe that you should NEVER spend additional points and will be better off with basically anything else (Stats or another passive skill for example). 

my personal opinion is that its a balancing act. Foul Grasp 2 is occasionally useful around level 12 or so, in my experience. i've never bought Foul Grasp 3 simply because there are far too many other extremely useful skills unlocked at level 15. i know that SubtleSalmon and others find that Foul Grasp 2 is never good. they take passive stats. sometimes i do too. its certainly a safer call. 

Foul grasp 2 still does less damage than you can do with your melee attacks/spit/Ooze when using it, so it's worthless; it's extra skill points for a return that is still less than the damage you could be doing otherwise. You don't use grasp for damage.

I agree. But just as devils advocate: You can still spit/ooze while grasping. It comes down to dmg/heal. Some people like that extra heal and damage. It does seem to do more, I swear whenever i use it, it seems to do 5-6 ticks instead of the 4 it should be doing. So there is dmg there.

Now is it worth the extra dmg? I'd say not. And if you're stacking health like a good UB then the heal becomes pretty insignificant. So yea just 1 point. I'm sure there are people that can make a full grasp build work and find uses for it, but it's def. not the fotm build right now and for good reasons.

You can't Ooze while grasping, so I take it you haven't played UB much.

The point is, investing the extra points in foul grasp is bad because if you wanted to deal damage, you would just keep AAing. You use it as an interrupt.

ya, about that Ooze while grasping thing. i just tested it in a game vs. AIs. it works. the ooze is still going while your grasping. it deals damage to everything in range including the guy you're grasping. i'm 100% positive about this. i just watched it like 15 times in a row. 

you might have Grasped somebody outside of the range of Ooze and thus not dealt him Ooze damage. this is possible, Grasp has a range of 10, the radius on Ooze seems to be slightly less than 10 (8 maybe?). however, your Ooze was still very much going while you were grasping. 

Okay, I revised it a bit more with the help of that builder.

Max inner beast + acclimation

Max foul grasp

Max Ooze

Disease claw one pt

Post mortem + 1pt plage

Max stats.

I'm thinking of taking off the last pt in stats and putting it into the second plague point instead.