The unstopable Lord Erebus?

I played a few games with a certain player that seemed to have an unstopable Lord Erebus. I played with him and against him. I used Rook and UB. He did tons of damage going in and seemed to heal faster then i could hurt him. If he lost half his health he would just walk a few inches away and then reengage me.

First of all how do you build a high damge Lord Erebus that heals that fast and can go toe to toe with Rook and UB?

Second, how do you beat someone like that?

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Reply #1 Top

HoL.

 

Beat him by not letting him run away, of course. If you play a decent rook, he shouldn't be able to even hurt you in 1 on 1(and early game, you shouldn't have to worry about 1 on 1 combat, as you'll be avoiding it as Rook), and if you play a decent UB, he shouldn't get to run in the first place. Although, early-mid to mid game(where you can get a decent amount of minions at their most effective point in the game), Erebus should have no trouble taking UB out anyway, so why would he try to run in a 1 on 1 anyway?

Reply #2 Top

I think the main trouble with Erebus is that if he watches his mana he can almost always bats out of combat and pop a HoL instantly, and because of his base move speed and the pretty big range on bats 2/3 he can usually stay away long enough for the full effect of the HoL to be felt. But with the supposed HoL nerf coming in 1.1 this probably won't be as much of an issue.

 At least this is from when I play an offensive bite Erebus, to survive most encounters that is all you've got to do to get away and be back at full health/mana ready to bats+bite again, unless you're massively overextended into their towers.

Reply #3 Top

I have an Erebus build I use that is probably similar to what you are describing.  Problem is, a good Erebus player is going to be nearly impossible to kill as the player will bat swarm out.  Best bet is to ensure you are 1) faster than Erebus (boots of speed, swift anklet) and 2) try to time a stun when the player is low on health.  Regulus is probably one of your best hopes of nailing a fleeing Erebus.

Other than that, its just how Erebus is built.  Just like Regulus can be a pain and sit behind towers hitting you from range, Erebus is built to enter/exit the battle at will.  A good Erebus player will lean on the conservative side and never allow himself to get into a situation where he can't bat swarm to safety. 

The thing to remember is that even though you aren't killing him, it is just as much of a victory.  When the Erebus player leaves, that means you are claiming the flag.  Most close matches are won on war score and the purchase of cats and giants, not on kills.

Reply #4 Top

its no victory if he come back at you 5 seconds later with full health and mana while you're still at below half health and mana. he'll just win in round 2. 

 

no, you really do have to be able to get the kill. or at least interrupt the HoL. not every DG can do this effectievly. you need some kind or ranged poking or harrassing ability.

Regulus, TB, Oak, and to some extend UB can all do this effectively. the other DG's have alot of trouble fending him off.

if you're on Sedna, QoT, or Rook your best bet is to play defensively and just try to hold the flag. you play for a stalemate and make sure you have more flag locks than him. 

Reply #5 Top

I play Erebus, and almost never lose with him. I'm good, but not that good- he's just too strong as a result of being able to ALWAYS choose the engagement.

Reply #6 Top

NO you guys don't get it.

 

I was toe to toe with him. He didn't walk away from me with rook. I had my mouse over him while we where fighting and his HP was going up almost faster then i could hurt him with rook.

Reply #7 Top

uh...

 

Bite. 

Health Drain Items (Narmoth's Ring, Mageslayer, Ashkandor).

Priest Minions (heal him once every 9-10 seconds).

Stacked Health Regen Items and Flags.

 

Reply #8 Top

Quoting Murth, reply 5
I play Erebus, and almost never lose with him. I'm good, but not that good- he's just too strong as a result of being able to ALWAYS choose the engagement.
End of Murth's quote

I disagree, Erebus might be impossible to kill, but I dont have any trouble keeping him away from my flags. Err I dont have any way to back this up other than saying. I'v been playing UB a lot recently because im convinced he's a tiny bit OP, and well if you cant beat them, join them.

 

hit him a lot, spit on him, move out of the mist and then spit on him again when he returns to corporeal form.

Reply #9 Top

Quoting Murth,
I play Erebus, and almost never lose with him. I'm good, but not that good- he's just too strong as a result of being able to ALWAYS choose the engagement.
End of Murth's quote

The fact that you almost never lose with him has little to do with being good or the Demigod you chose :)

Reply #10 Top

Erebus is a good hit and run hero. He's a nice blend of assassin and general that makes him very sturdy. Not as tank as an Oak or HP sedna, but with more dmg. Still less dmg then a late game reg or UB.

 

If that ereb is doing as much dmg as your UB then he either got many early kills off you guys, your UB didn't go ooze (which is a great counter to aggresive erebus/reg), or you simply don't have the hp. Something like you picked anklet over blood or something.

Erebus probably has more control over when to engage then any other character, but its not like he is invinvincible. If he has a heart and swarms out to use it...you should have one too. If he swarms in he likely can't swarm out to in time (unless your dmg is low, in which case you wouldn't kill him anyway). If he is saving swarm for his escape you dont have to engage him right away.

My point being erebus is great at not feeding and getting early kills on people that over extend, but in terms of raw offense he's not really better then rook or UB imo. You guys probably sealed your own coffin by letting him gank you and get some early green and levels.

Reply #11 Top

Use a tower farm and boulder roll.

Reply #12 Top

Meh, I don't know...I just never really feel like Erebus is much of a concern when I play against him.  It's not that he's bad, it's just that he don't really seem to have that same sort of impact as the others.  He never seems to be the sort of powerhouse that people are describing here when I fight against him.  He's just kind of another Demigod.

Though it's true that I can do well when I play as him, I think I do just as well with other Demigods.

Reply #13 Top

If your rook is Hammer Slam built, save your slam for after bite, preferably saving it for when he's got 2100 health (assuming maxed slam and roll, adjust as needed). Most Erubi will try to get you to waste your nukes, and then bite. By refusing to nuke, you cause him to use his heal prematurely, which means he'll have difficulty recovering from your massive nukage. Of course, if he's good he'll just batswarm away at low health. Beware the Erebus player as a slam rook.

If you're a tower rook, you're in luck! Hide in your farm, let him fight you for a bit, and roll him as he gets to low health (you have to watch your opponent and ascertain about how far he's willing to go before he batswarms, typically a player has a certain amount of health that he or she simply deems an unacceptable risk. This is where you roll them.

UB just needs spit to ruin HoL. Spit on him when he's gonna start running, and he'll probably mist to get it off. This essentially stuns him for a few seconds, giving you ample time to catch up. Yay! Proceed to eat a delicious Erebus meal. If he doesn't mist out, well then at least you got the lane to yourself. Spit him again if he's low enough.

Reply #14 Top

name 1 class that has a health drain,slow,debuff armor for one skill other then EB

EB has an AoE stun, armor debuff, slow down, health drain,mist, and swarm. this class has 2 oh shit moves in swarm and mist.

there lies the problem with this class he has too many moves. he has the moves of 2 classes.

Reply #15 Top

name 1 class that has a health drain,slow,debuff armor for one skill other then EB
End of quote

It's not health drain, but Pent off Oak comes close.

Reply #16 Top

1.1 will be out any day; HoL will be nerfed with increased cost, double cooldown (and at Artifact Shop), so new tactics for everyone are in store.  Erb sounds a bit like when I play Sedna; People complain sometimes they just can't kill Sedna, and sometimes that's true, but that's if I always retreat, which means I can't hold flags/lanes.

Reply #17 Top

You guys still haven't explained to me how at level 1 eb can slaughter rook. And for the most part im talking about toe to toe not running away.

Reply #18 Top

Quoting NeutralGood, reply 17
You guys still haven't explained to me how at level 1 eb can slaughter rook. And for the most part im talking about toe to toe not running away.
End of NeutralGood's quote

 

Because every 7 seconds Erebus can heal, and Rook can't?

Maybe he efficiently health stacked and the Rook didn't?

The details you're giving us about the Rook are pretty vague.

Reply #19 Top

Quoting pseudomelon, reply 13
If your rook is Hammer Slam built, save your slam for after bite, preferably saving it for when he's got 2100 health (assuming maxed slam and roll, adjust as needed). Most Erubi will try to get you to waste your nukes, and then bite. By refusing to nuke, you cause him to use his heal prematurely, which means he'll have difficulty recovering from your massive nukage. Of course, if he's good he'll just batswarm away at low health. Beware the Erebus player as a slam rook.

If you're a tower rook, you're in luck! Hide in your farm, let him fight you for a bit, and roll him as he gets to low health (you have to watch your opponent and ascertain about how far he's willing to go before he batswarms, typically a player has a certain amount of health that he or she simply deems an unacceptable risk. This is where you roll them.

UB just needs spit to ruin HoL. Spit on him when he's gonna start running, and he'll probably mist to get it off. This essentially stuns him for a few seconds, giving you ample time to catch up. Yay! Proceed to eat a delicious Erebus meal. If he doesn't mist out, well then at least you got the lane to yourself. Spit him again if he's low enough.
End of pseudomelon's quote

 

Oh i like this game. Ok now you name the hero that has an instant 800 AoE nuke that slows, interrupts, and makes them take 16% more damage! I mean come on nobody else gets that!

 

Oh next lets do the hero that gets an AoE nuke that reduces armor by like 1500. Nobody else has one of those, so OP.

 

My point being there are alot of fantastic abilities and just because they are exclusive doesn't mean they are OP.

Reply #20 Top

You guys still haven't explained to me how at level 1 eb can slaughter rook. And for the most part im talking about toe to toe not running away.

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i think alot of us did offer some explanations, but the sparse details you've provided make it hard to know what was going on. i'm gonna take a guess, here's my shot.

 

Erebus took Blood of the Fallen as favor item and bought Monk Idol as his starting item. He took Bite 1 as his starting skill. This will give Erebus significant health recovery and a much higher max health than you (unless you also took Blood of the Fallen). 

 

so tell us, what items did you take and what skill did you pick? 

 

to me it sounds an awful lot like you ran into a player with more experience than yourself and a better starting gameplan. his picks trumped your picks. nothing irregular about that.

Reply #21 Top

Quoting Elarain, reply 19

Oh i like this game. Ok now you name the hero that has an instant 800 AoE nuke that slows, interrupts, and makes them take 16% more damage! I mean come on nobody else gets that!
Oh next lets do the hero that gets an AoE nuke that reduces armor by like 1500. Nobody else has one of those, so OP.
My point being there are alot of fantastic abilities and just because they are exclusive doesn't mean they are OP.
End of Elarain's quote

Well, at least now I don't have to go through strats with the other Demi's xP

Reply #22 Top

I'd like to point out that, despite this topic being about a level 1 rook failing against a better level 1 erebus (and not some endgame situation), unstoppable and unkillable are not the same thing. A good Erebus is completely unkillable, but no DG is unstopable against equally matched opponents.

Reply #23 Top

Quoting NeutralGood, reply 17
You guys still haven't explained to me how at level 1 eb can slaughter rook. And for the most part im talking about toe to toe not running away.
End of NeutralGood's quote

 

Because there's not much that a level 1 Rook can kill to begin with. He'll be lucky to get a few creeps in early game. And if you're playing against me, I'll make sure as hell that someone on my team is harrassing the shit out of you.

Reply #24 Top

Quoting NeutralGood, reply 17
You guys still haven't explained to me how at level 1 eb can slaughter rook. And for the most part im talking about toe to toe not running away.
End of NeutralGood's quote

If u loose with a rook 1v1 with ANY DG on early game u dont know how to play rook.

May be u are picking lolhammer as first skill and this is the noobest move ever so u can be owned by every single DG not just erebus.

I still have to see the DG that makes me run in lvl 1-2-3 with a tower spec rook.

 

 

Reply #25 Top

How is a good Erebus unkillable? You can still use foul grasp/any other stun to stun-lock and burst damage him to death. If he runs out of mana he's as screwed as anyone else, and if he goes into mist form any Reg player will jump at the chance to throw a large number of mines at his feet. Same argument as Sedna imo: you need to target the support characters like Erebus in a 2v2 engagement if you want the kill.

As for the OP, if its at level 1 and he killed you, you did something very wrong, like stand there and autoattack while he bites you to death.