How does going from Rook to Queen make me awesome?

Ok, so I love rook, though not the tower one (though I tried em all).  But after 40 games and 30 loses, I couldn't stand it anymore.  I switched to Queen.  Now I have 3 wins out of 5 games, and the others were very close (got 50 points each time), and I had 0 deaths a few times. 

Makes me think there is problem with Rook.  Certainly the huge drawback I had with him was his slow speed, he just can't react to changing situations well.  While the Queen is all about hit and run, pushing the weak side, lots of speed and "erosion" (no loud damage strikes, just lots of minion damage wearing away at you).  Its still a pain switching between the 2 modes, but I can't argue with my sudden Ski11z just by changing demigod.

 

Ren

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Reply #1 Top

It also just might be that your temperment is just not suited to Rook.  I know some players who are very good, at say TB, who just don't have the right mindset to play Erebus. (Good at micromanaging nukes, bad at knowing when to chase.... and how to come back alive)

Reply #2 Top

Wow, so far off man there's a reason QoT is the least played even though she is probably the most wanted to be played and that's because she totally sucks....The reality of your victories comes down to one or more factors well instead of factors I should call them players and they are your teammates. QoT didn't get you those victories.

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Quoting Zechnophobe, reply 1
It also just might be that your temperment is just not suited to Rook.  I know some players who are very good, at say TB, who just don't have the right mindset to play Erebus. (Good at micromanaging nukes, bad at knowing when to chase.... and how to come back alive)
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"temperment" this post made me lol, trying to back it up was even better

 

I can help you out with playing either Renthe, id disgard Zechno's post

Reply #5 Top

No, I'd actually agree with Zechnophobe. One can expect a person's playstyle to greatly effect their ability to play X, Y, and Z demigods, and some of us are simply more adaptable at others. Stick with QoT if you think you work well with her :grin:

Reply #6 Top

For some reason I work well with 'sin Erebus and Ooze UB; uber tank player, anybody? (while Erebus is not a true tank like Ooze UB, he still draws a lot of fire, can heal, has high HPS, and can run to heal and tank/damage some more.)

Reply #7 Top

Well, I have met people who is quite (and some very ridiculous) unadaptable to things they do. I think psychology scholars can still debate over what caused this.

However, I don't know if that's the situation here.

Reply #8 Top

Rook is definitely one of my least feared demigods at the moment.

One cool thing about rook is that, if you tell your team to focus fire him, kill him enough, and get the human player to rage quit you have an instant feeder, since the AI is pretty much undeniably terrible as rook.

Reply #9 Top

I'd say Rook is probably the hardest Demigod to survive as, especially on any of the larger maps. He usually has to sacrifice HP and Mana to just be as fast as everyone else is by default, or pray he doesn't get interrupted to be able to escape.

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Quoting IllegalDustbin, reply 9
I'd say Rook is probably the hardest Demigod to survive as, especially on any of the larger maps. He usually has to sacrifice HP and Mana to just be as fast as everyone else is by default, or pray he doesn't get interrupted to be able to escape.
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Thats why you stack HP/armor, mana and wepdmg/speed instead and just go wherever the hell you want to go :grin:

Reply #11 Top

 I think Zechnophobe was definity right. The other posters are claiming that Rook is good and you just don't have a clue how to use him, or that Rook is kinda underpowered right now. The Truth is some of the best players on the boards are Rooks so he isn't all that crappy, however that being said many players do suck with him. The thing so many people don't get about this game is the ballance is actualy pretty damn good in this game.  Hence all the arguments about what and who is best and what items are best and which are crap and so on. The truth is you have to try things out for yourself and see what fits you and your playstyle. I suck with Rook and will be the first to say it, I keep trying him every once in a while becouse he is so damn sexy but its always in vein. Even when I win with him it's a close match or somone on the oposing team droped out. I like the idea of Rook but I just do a lot better with Regie, Sedina, Qot, and UB.  I also Do realy bad with TB and Erebis for some reason. I have read all the strats and builds, and am not an idiot. Just some characters work way beter for me than others. But those same characters that I personly don't do well with have been played very well against me at some time or another. Try them all out and then tweek your stratagy for the ones you do best with.

Reply #12 Top

Quoting Fhoeng, reply 7
Well, I have met people who is quite (and some very ridiculous) unadaptable to things they do. I think psychology scholars can still debate over what caused this.

However, I don't know if that's the situation here.
End of Fhoeng's quote

 

this

YOU WIN!

people over analyzing or whatever they want to call it are full of it:D

Reply #13 Top

Makes me think there is problem with Rook.
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I'd guess that Rook just isn't your character. QoT probably just matches your playstyle more than Rook does.

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Quoting Aviyur, reply 10

Thats why you stack HP/armor, mana and wepdmg/speed instead and just go wherever the hell you want to go
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But he still has more trouble escaping than any another stacked HP Demigod.

Reply #15 Top

I would would say that Rook is possibly the hardest to play DG along with QoT.

There is something about him that is inherently weak. A lot of his abilities are situational and passive and require a lot of skill.

TB, UB and Reg as assassins have easy to understand tree skills and easy mechanics (TB can be a little more complicated, but going Ice or Fire, you can still play him simply). Click on Fireball, easy 1050 DMG, click on Spit easy 1650 DMG DoT, click on Snipe easy 900+ DMG.

Rooks big problems is that he has no burst, to lay down massive damage he has to Hammer Strike, to get that off, the player has to be extremely skillful, unless they are playing an AI.

 

I have seen some great Rook players, but the most part people get squished easy, I certainly get squished a lot when I play with him.

Reply #16 Top

I wouldn't say he's inherently weak; he was my first Demi, and seems pretty simple to me. Perhaps people just don't have the mindset for him.

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But after 40 games and 30 loses, I couldn't stand it anymore.
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 i think the person behind the monitor is the problem here :P

Reply #18 Top

I hate playing as the Rook. He's just too slow for my taste. Perhaps a general is just more up your ally than an assasin?

Reply #19 Top

Rook takes a lot of plannng and forethought, because Hammer Slam is your only SAVE ME NOW ELSE I'M FUCKED move. Whereas QoT can shield till the cows come home if she left herself some mana.

Reply #20 Top

Alternative rook builds (+speed, ninja hammer slam, etc) are my personal favorite part of the game. Watching a rook run at 9.6 speed to catch up to and flatten UB = priceless.

Reply #21 Top

Meh, who needs to be fast? Nothing wrong with playing a rook build and trying to get him up to the same speed as everyone else, you're just gonna suffer some penalties. I played rook for my first couple of games and had no trouble at all winning. 

It does come down to temperment somewhat. I have a friend whose favorite unit is the queen, and he is incredible with her, because he has the temperment to micro the idols and shamblers (especially moving half-health shamblers in close and mulching). I don't have that, so I tend to play rook, because I have the patience to not care that I can't move fast so long as nothing in the world can hurt me (and trust me, a well played health rook is pretty much invulnerable to anything 2 demigods can dish out, 3 is where he starts dying, but 3v1 should never happen, or never happen without the other team suffering, if you have decent teammates).

Sounds to me like the OP just didn't have the temperment to play rook and had the required temperment to play queen. Sure you can play whatever demigod you like (I've played them all multiple times) but everyone has a certain playstyle, and some demigods conforms to yours better than others.

In case you're interested I play a very high HP, low burst, siege rook whose job is to demolish enemy towers, then run back to a tower farm for safety. It works great for me, I get few DG kills, but I tend to be in the enemy base pushing hard long before they've even thought about taking down more than the outlying towers. I'm of the opinion that if you try and play rook as a demigod killer, you'll never be satisfied, because he's not good at that. If, on the other hand, you play rook as a siege/countersiege (extra towers at a location can prevent/push back an attack on that location) you'll find he's one of, if not the best in the game at this.