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Counter This Sedna!

Whatever demigod you like, in a 1v1 situation.

from Demigod Forums

 

This is a 1v1 situation verse a Sedna. You can counter her with anything but another Sedna.

The idea is to win the match by being superior in a 1v1 scenario.

 

This situation takes place on Crucible, the game is Conquest.

Your warscore is 5 and Sedna's warscore is 4.

Sedna has currently spent 6700 gold, this includes the initial 1000.

Early game you got a kill for 600 gold hooray!, so you have 7400 gold at your disposal for this situation. This includes the 1000 starter gold.

 

Our Sedna:

Currently lvl 8

Build:

  Heal 2,                  500 mana, heals 900 hp.

  Healing Wind 2,      24 HP per second.

  Inner Grace 2,        15 HP per second, 10% movment.

  Pounce 2,              525 mana, 600 damage.

 

Favor Item: Blood of the Fallen, 800 hp, 5 HP per second

 

Items Bought:

High Priests (oh exploitable)

Banded Armor

Unbreakable Boots

Nimoth's Chest

Vlemish Faceguard

No citadel upgrades

 

Basic Info:

HP:4700   MP:3400

Armor: 1300, 33% weapon damage mitigated.

Attack Speed: 1.4

Avg Weapon Damage: 225 (Unmitigated)

Health Per Second: 60

Her High Priests heal for 1500 every 10 seconds.

 

Your Info!:

You're lvl 9. you've got 7350 gold.

No deaths, one kill.

Skill isn't a factor.

 

Remember, this is a Conquest match. And you cannot counter with Sedna!

 

-Foreshadowed :sun:

 

PS, Sedna has 6700 total gold including the intial 1000 because she sold monks for 700.

Lemme know if you think our Sedna's build is lacking or if something needs to be edited!

 

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Reply #26 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting SleepyForest, reply 22

UB can handle any minion build with the almighty ooze!!
End of SleepyForest's quote

You can try to handle my minions with your almighty ooze, if you want :) Contact me in game. always fun to play against UB.

Reply #27 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 24
I think the Sedna should have bought Gold 1 at warscore 3.

For certain I would have bought it, and should be close to breaking even now on the 1800 investment? (we can pretend since I am ahead in warscore I owned the goldmine longer too).

I am also very tempted to buy priests + smith and armory level 1, because losing the center towers on crucible almost ensures you can never cap all the flags with no open space to teleport to. (I would have noticed her towers aren't regenerating, nor taking down creeps quickly).

For certain any minion build is always difficult for Sedna.... but not spending on Gold 1, or towers ensures she has lost the fight now regardless of how bad ass she is as long as you don't die repeatedly.

So, I am thinking any typical build wins this match by going Gold 1 at WS3, and then Priests and both creep upgrades. Taking down her centre towers means she really can't cap the flags easily without you noticing her going for them. eg: Lock 1 of the 2 deep flags and then go work over her towers when she goes down there.

I guess what gear I buy depends on how aggressive she is. If she is constantly chasing me, then speed is good because I don't want to fight her futiley 1 on 1 (and making her chase me gives the creeps a chance to work over her towers when I do the creep upgrade).

For certain I am going to buy several teleports and flag locks... this almost ensures I will keep 2 of the 3 flags for the rest of the battle now since she is about to be in a real bad place with how to spend her time. (farm, flags, towers, DG?) 

Regardless, as long as I don't die, I am also going to get the warpstone first in this situation and get her portal flag by being cheap. (This map has alot of flaws).  Sedna is doubly screwed if I do this since she has no AOE.

So really, it doesn't matter at all how awesome she is, she has failed at basic strategy. 
End of LORD-ORION's quote

 

the idea was to beat her in a 1v1 scenario, of course in a long 1v1 currency1 would be better, but for the experiment she didn't get any citadel upgrades or consumables, but you can!

If she can push you off flags by being superior in 1v1 situations youll lose, it doesnt matter if you flag lock gold mine.

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Reply #28 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Ke5trel, reply 17
on Crucible - Morale Oak (to avoid the lane towers)

on Prison - Morale Erebus (for the minion hp and minimal towers)

I just started with morale builds this week, so I'm debating on whether it's better to

1.  skip items entirely and just buy idols and citadel upgrades, basically farm where the enemy isn't and avoid direct confrontation.  In this case I would go with Horn of Battle favor item

2.  buy things like slayer's wraps and put points in debuff skills, look for fights.  In this case I would go with Blood of Fallen or Ring of Divine Might

My first 1v1 game as Erebus (let alone a minion build) still wasn't very close against Antiock, but it was about twice as good the one with a hybrid Oak build ^^

 
End of Ke5trel's quote

 

I had him beat today as minion erebus, I conceded at the end. Him and his cheater priests, tisk tisk. Only thing I'd do differently next time is get aoe stun for his priests, would have been overkill.

Reply #29 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting SleepyForest, reply 3


I had him beat today as minion erebus, I conceded at the end. Him and his cheater priests, tisk tisk. Only thing I'd do differently next time is get aoe stun for his priests, would have been overkill.
End of SleepyForest's quote

 

you needed more roly-poly's imo

Reply #30 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Antiock, reply 4

Quoting SleepyForest, reply 3

I had him beat today as minion erebus, I conceded at the end. Him and his cheater priests, tisk tisk. Only thing I'd do differently next time is get aoe stun for his priests, would have been overkill.
 

you needed more roly-poly's imo
End of Antiock's quote

 

those roly polys had you on the run!!

Reply #31 from Demigod Forums Top

"Dunno if TB can be any good in 1v1 (Even a mixed variant with 1350 fireball and all those Icy crap maxed)"

I take max rain of ice, max permafrost, 1 point in nova, 1 point in freeze, rest in stats.
Shifting forms so you have the passive buffs is a must too.

But yeah TB does feel a bit weak, prolly because his base stats are pretty low, but he does make a damn fine chaser to make up for it.

Reply #32 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 2
TB with Deep Freeze. Rest doesnt matter.
End of Teseer's quote

I would raise an eyebrow to this if his TB hadn't totally destroyed my sedna.

Reply #33 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting pseudomelon, reply 7

Quoting Teseer, reply 2TB with Deep Freeze. Rest doesnt matter.
I would raise an eyebrow to this if his TB hadn't totally destroyed my sedna.
End of pseudomelon's quote

 

 

it's your build

Reply #34 from Demigod Forums Top

Go Ice TB with Swift Anklets and Speed Boots.

 

Sure, you'll have a hard time killing Sedna, but you'll level faster than her, have more gold than her, and in the end, you'll win.

Reply #35 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting pseudomelon, reply 7

Quoting Teseer, reply 2TB with Deep Freeze. Rest doesnt matter.
I would raise an eyebrow to this if his TB hadn't totally destroyed my sedna.
End of pseudomelon's quote

If you are dying to ice bearer as Sedna, you are doing something terribly wrong. Possibly incorrect build, maybe in combination with wrong items.

Reply #36 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting MastaPT, reply 9
Go Ice TB with Swift Anklets and Speed Boots.

 

Sure, you'll have a hard time killing Sedna, but you'll level faster than her, have more gold than her, and in the end, you'll win.
End of MastaPT's quote

It's on crucible how the heck will you get more EXP than her

Reply #37 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting ItchyDustbin, reply 11


It's on crucible how the heck will you get more EXP than her
End of ItchyDustbin's quote

 

Ok, doesn't work on Crucible. X(

 

Reply #38 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting SleepyForest, reply 8

Quoting pseudomelon, reply 7
Quoting Teseer, reply 2TB with Deep Freeze. Rest doesnt matter.
I would raise an eyebrow to this if his TB hadn't totally destroyed my sedna.
 

 

it's your build
End of SleepyForest's quote
Quoting Enraged_Camel, reply 10

Quoting pseudomelon, reply 7
Quoting Teseer, reply 2TB with Deep Freeze. Rest doesnt matter.
I would raise an eyebrow to this if his TB hadn't totally destroyed my sedna.
If you are dying to ice bearer as Sedna, you are doing something terribly wrong. Possibly incorrect build, maybe in combination with wrong items.
End of Enraged_Camel's quote

Yeah, probably. I'm a pretty spectacularly fail sedna.

Reply #39 from Demigod Forums Top

Tower rook could do it.

 

3x Hammer slam

2x Shoulder weapons

1x Boulder Roll

3x Towers

 

Blood of the Fallen

Hauberk of Life

Nimoth Chest Armor

Unbreakable Boots

Vlemish Faceguard

Sludge Slinger

 

Sedna can't really assault a tower farm, especially on crucible.

Reply #40 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Cat, reply 14
Tower rook could do it.

 

3x Hammer slam

2x Shoulder weapons

1x Boulder Roll

3x Towers

 

Blood of the Fallen

Hauberk of Life

Nimoth Chest Armor

Unbreakable Boots

Vlemish Faceguard

Sludge Slinger

 

Sedna can't really assault a tower farm, especially on crucible.
End of Cat's quote

 

it could work, in a 1v1 situation you would superior probly, but she could hold flags better.

Reply #41 from Demigod Forums Top

it could work, in a 1v1 situation you would superior probly, but she could hold flags better.
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That's the problem for me.  At this point I can keep from dying against this Sedna but I'm not going to have map control on Crucible or Prison - she can always outlast in a straight duel

So i think if you were playing a minion build you would want to have your minions off whittling down her towers while you went flags, giving her a tough choice.  I don't think direct confrontation, even with a morale build, is going to outpush once she has high priests

Reply #42 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Ke5trel, reply 16

it could work, in a 1v1 situation you would superior probly, but she could hold flags better.
That's the problem for me.  At this point I can keep from dying against this Sedna but I'm not going to have map control on Crucible or Prison - she can always outlast in a straight duel

So i think if you were playing a minion build you would want to have your minions off whittling down her towers while you went flags, giving her a tough choice.  I don't think direct confrontation, even with a morale build, is going to outpush once she has high priests
End of Ke5trel's quote

 

I think you put way too much thought into it. 1v1 is really just who can push the other person off the flag.

 

If you kill her priests she usually runs away, confrontation won:) There are plenty of counters to high priest Sedna in 1v1

Reply #43 from Demigod Forums Top

I'd go Erebus or Rook.

 

With Rook at that point I would have 

Archers

Tower of Light

Siege Hat

Power of the Tower III

Hammer Slam II

 

Staff of Renewal

Nimoth's

Banded

Plenor

Vlemish

Priests (Citadel Upgrade)

 

 

 

 

I'd just push up with towers, and boulder if she gets too brave.  Seems oversimplified, but with 4k health she can't push especially hard into 5-6 towers when she has to worry about a boulder/slam combo and the priests negate the occasional pounces as well as push her back since she lacks the AoE to deal with them.

Killing towers is pointless with an eight second tower cooldown and whenever you boulder roll her reinforcement wave is gone so she's up against towers+rook+reinforcements.

I don't agree with the guy who's got hammer III instead of Siege Hat.  The trebuchet is going to chip away at Sedna the entire match unless it's hitting towers, and if it's hitting towers it means you're making headway on map control.  Overall it's just going to do a lot more damage than Hammer Slam III's 400 extra damage which you definitely won't be able to land every cooldown against a good Sedna.

Reply #44 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Obscenitor, reply 18
I'd go Erebus or Rook.

 

With Rook at that point I would have 

Archers

Tower of Light

Siege Hat

Power of the Tower III

Hammer Slam II

 

Staff of Renewal

Nimoth's

Banded

Plenor

Vlemish

Priests (Citadel Upgrade)

 

 

 

 

I'd just push up with towers, and boulder if she gets too brave.  Seems oversimplified, but with 4k health she can't push especially hard into 5-6 towers when she has to worry about a boulder/slam combo and the priests negate the occasional pounces as well as push her back since she lacks the AoE to deal with them.

Killing towers is pointless with an eight second tower cooldown and whenever you boulder roll her reinforcement wave is gone so she's up against towers+rook+reinforcements.

I don't agree with the guy who's got hammer III instead of Siege Hat.  The trebuchet is going to chip away at Sedna the entire match unless it's hitting towers, and if it's hitting towers it means you're making headway on map control.  Overall it's just going to do a lot more damage than Hammer Slam III's 400 extra damage which you definitely won't be able to land every cooldown against a good Sedna.
End of Obscenitor's quote

 

 

any DECENT sedna will pounce your hammer slam, and the towers just tickle her

Reply #45 from Demigod Forums Top

I propose we set up a game with a Sedna and a Rook, and put them into this situation empirically. Who here has the best tower rook / heal sedna?

Reply #46 from Demigod Forums Top

any DECENT sedna will pounce your hammer slam, and the towers just tickle her
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Propsed Sedna has about 35% damage reduction, the towers do around 120 damage at rank 3, meaning they'll hit for 80'ish a pop and I believe their attack speed is once every two seconds.  Rank 3 pounce does 800 damage, which is less than two hits from six towers, and two hits is a reasonable expectation if she enters melee range.  Therefore pounce tickles?

 

Sedna can't interrupt a boulder+hammer combo.  Be reasonable, a 4k health Sedna who enters a tower forest to push back a rook will get hit by towers twice, the shoulder tower at least once, probably twice, and archers, one boulder roll, and a hammer slam.  That's about 2500 damage, which is not a safe amount of damage for a 4k HP character.

Is it fair to assume every single tower is going to be hitting Sedna?  Probably not, but it's hardly tickling her, Rook can push out a good 400 DPS easily against Sedna and the proposed one has poor mana regen.  She can't whittle down a rook with reinforcement priest support and she can't go toe to toe when towers are present, especially if the hammer slam kills her healer minions.

Reply #47 from Demigod Forums Top

I just think that it'd be hard to get to that point as rook.  I'd be worried about getting too far behind on gold before level 4 when she would have free run of the gold mine and celerity flag since two towers isn't enough to drive her off and rook would lack the HP to stand up to pounce/autoattack damage out of range of base towers.

Also getting the exp flag wouldn't be especially feasible for rook early game.

Reply #48 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Obscenitor, reply 22
I just think that it'd be hard to get to that point as rook.  I'd be worried about getting too far behind on gold before level 4 when she would have free run of the gold mine and celerity flag since two towers isn't enough to drive her off and rook would lack the HP to stand up to pounce/autoattack damage out of range of base towers.

Also getting the exp flag wouldn't be especially feasible for rook early game.
End of Obscenitor's quote

 

Just beat a Sedna with High Priests and similar to this build as Minion QoT on Prison, fun match:)

Reply #49 from Demigod Forums Top

Counter This Sedna!
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oak.

 

Reply #50 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting StAcK3D_ActR, reply 24

Counter This Sedna!
oak.

 
End of StAcK3D_ActR's quote

 

minion oak: no

assassin oak: no