how do you guys deal with 2x minion erubus?

   The build is very strong early on.  I'd say you want to avoid until level 3/4 mines and surge of faith.  And have someone save for an orb of veiled storms.  You really need to be able to insta blow up the army to completely counter this strat.

i just played AS the minion erubus...turns out there are ways to counter it but requires different dg's.  for example i came across a tb/ plant combo who would just rape my army.  in my original post we suffered from severe lack of AOE (might have worked if reg was a stronger mine player, i suspect he was playing off spec).  also, i didnt play it as well as my opponents did when they got me so there was that factor too. 

Erebus is the sole reason why I don't like doubles.

Which map, mode, and how far (level-wise) did you get before they started dominating? If you could afford to spend 5k on the Egg, I'm gonna assume you were already HP and mana-stacked to the max, with Priests bought. Did someone on your team feed them kills or something?

Did you fight 2v2, or 1v1? Reg seems like shite against Erebus, not to mention Erebus with tons of HP and bite, so that leaves you and Sedna. And with Sedna being the non-AoE DG she is, it's pretty much up to you to get lv3 Surge of Faith as soon as possible. 2x Erebus is honestly insanely good in the early game, especially on large maps when they can send swarms of minions against unguarded towers. Since neither Oak nor regulus can deal with them early on imo, it's an uphill battle until you've stacked so much HP that you can just ignore the minions and start piling on with Pentinence.

What you at least can do to get away early on, is to use Cloak of the Night and Shield. Shield will remove all your speed debuffs, and CotN puts you far enough away to safely get behind towers.

You'd lost before level 2,  Sedna has no AoE, so unless they're really stupid they can stomp you in 2vs2.

Yeah that's why I was saying go with surge of faith + orb of veiled storms as oak.  The problem is if they survive that they can pop the horn and regen the entire army back to full...  You really need two demis to defeat a fully upgraded minion army.  A fully upgraded one is very expensive though...  Queen and TB can counter them too due to having multiple aoes.

ya just played one again. im convinced that an assassin oak cannot defeat a general erubus who takes bite if theyre equal skill levels.  the minions lawl at your surge, the erubus regens so fast you cant pen harass. its simply gg. 

does anyone know if general oak fares any better?

You can do essentially the exact same thing erebus can do.  Use spirits + melee + siege + priests + horn for favor and pentinence for armor debuff.  It's largely the same thing as erebus with relatively small expcetions.  Erebus can use bat swarm to escape, you can use shield.  His rolly pollys are free but you only have to spec 1 tree to get yours.  He has bite but you have pentinence at range.   ETc.. ETc..

Ya, I just played 2 x erebus. I was reg, my partner was rook and I was just about to post the same question!

We got hammered.

Both went mega minions.

My mines basically did nothing and as soon as they got anywhere near the rook, he was dead. He had towers which did nothing.

I like the above poster who said, Erebus are very strong early on and wait till level 3-4 mines!

Considering that if they can outlevel you till you can get to level 3-4 mines (which by the way have no effect), you've already lost by about ten billion levels.

I also played Oak and the spirits really don't seem as strong but since I'm no expert on erebus, i can't comment.

Obviously, since I usually get beaten by erebus, I declare them OP! hahaha

Saying that, I'll play Darkness next time and play exactly the same tactic. And also a HP heavy UB which also seems pretty impossible to kill (so I also declare them OP - they must be since I have been beaten by them in the past).

The last setup here actually had a chance of winning. Regulus needed to continually snipe the erebus's to push them out of the lane so they would need to heal, and thus not be in the lane farming more minions. Picking up angelic fury would have been a decent long term counter to erebus (Essentially it forces him to wait for the cooldown on horn to expire before he can effectively attack any buildings).

Rook however, is the real threat to an erebus minion build. Not with towers, but with hammer slam. Maxxed out hammer slam can completely decimate the entire minion horde. Unless you are feeding the other team, the best hp those minions would have near game completion would be ~1600. The horn does nothing if those rollies die in one hit.

Still.. it's kind of silly that in pantheon you can randomly get stuck with a team that has no chance against this.. Hopefully the new lightside DG has some heavy AOE, or the minion buffs get scaled down a little.

Any time you play against a general that has viable minion builds (erubus and oak), you must have 2 or more DG than can produce AoE from skill trees. Oak has AoE, TB has AoE, Regulus has good AoE. QoT is meh... in any case, both players must take there AoEs and max them, and they both must get orb of veiled storm. Instant cats 500 damage aoe is amazing, plus 2 DG with aoe skills are amazing. When you encounter 2v2 fights your AoE will do better overall damage than 2 players and there minion army. Plus your kill power against the minions themselves is amazing.

EDIT: if you don't have AoE because you play pantheon, you should consider conceding as soon as you see minion builds on your opponents. No amount of shenanigans will fix your lacking skill set. Also rook has good AoE, but its not really viable for killing minions until really late game.

Your Rook made the mistake of going Tower in a minion battle.

Edit: I've been trying to learn TB to counteract the constant spam of minion erebus in Pantheon (thanks a lot Shadow. You started this mess.) At the moment, I just faceroll my spells as the cooldown ends, but it's still rather effective.

the effective counters ive found are TB, hammer rook, and regulus. though ya ive also noticed a shit storm of this build going around now. 

An ooze-specced UB can do a number on them, too, with the constant large AoE DoTs, and the large attack speed penalty, severely limiting the damage the minions can do. There's a ring, I think it's Nature's Wrath? that gives every attack you do a 15% chance of dealing 250 damage AoE; on UB's high attack speed, that can eat through minions a lot. Throw on Post Mortem, and they'll drop in a big chain reaction.

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This question has already been answered before.

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/358794

However, to keep it simple I will simply state the easiest way to deal with a minion Erebus. Upgrade your towers to at LEAST the second damage and health upgrades at the citadel. When Erebus hits his Horn of Battle to attack the towers drop an AOE spell on them and the combined fire power will instakill his minions. For hero's that don't have any AOE upgrade your towers further. To put this into perspective maxed out towers can not only hold off, but kill fully upgraded Giant waves. If the game last long enough or you manage to somehow get enough gold, non AOE hero's can get something called Girdle of the Giants, 13000 Gold. Makes all your attacks AOE; Problem solved.


Still the best counter to this are Fire TB with staff of renewal or High DPS/Mines Regulus with early Slayers Wraps and BotS. Rook with Maxed hammer slam also works pretty good too; 2.1k damage ftw.        

I'm not familair with Horn of Battle. It looks like it does a Heart of Life-like effect, 200 HP a second for 10 seconds?

Perhaps if the Horn was made to function like the Heart, where if a minion takes damage it stops regenerating, perhaps it mgiht go a ways towards staunching the percieved overpoweredness of the Horn.

But I'll be the first to admit I don't play minion builds of generals nor have I ever used the Horn of Battle, so I'm not sure how viable that tactic is. I'm just shoehorning the Horn into the same category as the other two "extreme regeneration" items: Heart of Life and Seraphic Wings.