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First virus in years...

First virus in years...

I've just had a brush with numerous viruses, the first I've had in years. I was browsing some free software sites (can't remember which, I was just following links), when I got a warning about a dodgy web page. Next thing I know AVG is popping up with all sorts of messages about trojans and viruses. At this point my pc is locked solid, so, rather than repair the damage, I decide to restore from backup...

Shutdown Windows: seconds - I pressed the off button!

Search for Drive Image 7 disc: 2 minutes - it was buried under some papers...

Boot into Drive Image: 4 minutes

Restore image: 5 mins 55 secs

Boot into Windows: 50 secs

So, up and running again in next to no time. Shows the value of good backups ;)

As the backup is a few days old, I've lost some game saves - but that is only because of Microsofts insistance that programmers store program info locally instead of with the game (I have my games on a seperate partition). Everything else is as it was.

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Reply #26 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 20

Remember, Fuzzy...there are only 2 types of computer users...[ignoring Linux trolls]...

Those who backup

and

Those who cry...
End of Jafo's quote

I am a Linux trolls too... but i use XP pro and Vista along with Linux and Open Solaris...

In my case, backup is not a option... almost 10TB of data will take too much time for backup or restore in case of problem...

But i don't cry... i have a raid system, enable the non execute bit in the bios, lock in read only drive used for data storage, and use a good anti virus in heuristic mode, don't allow activeX, no attachment in e-mail allowed ( unless the guy is in my trusted list ), etc...

For the Linux troll people, use a antivirus too... you don't risk a lot but Linux can be a healthy host for windows virus... so, if you don't wish that you windows friend kill you, clean regulary your system...

Zubaz, i have a very good game who run with Linux and it is enough for me... it is called Sins of Solar Empire :p

About anti virus, it is year that i have stop with AVG... for now, i am happy with AVAST...

Reply #27 Top

Why not use a NAS for that much data?

Reply #28 Top

Correct me if i'm wrong,would it have still happened if

A:Used limited user account instead of Admin

B: Change the actual name "admin" account to another name

C: Used some decent realtime scanners that block any attermpt for install of anything including unidentified software when in admin mode i.e spywareterminater ..a shamless plug right there for one of my fav apps when HIPS is activated nothing installs without me knowing about it or without my permission :grin:

D: Ran daily or weekly backup images of My Docs or Docs & Settings or whatever folder ;P ,you could've also have used any number of free hdd scanners like recuva,undelete plus etc to retrieve any misplaced data  you needed back & most probably still can,or partitionfindandmount (free but limited to 512kb recovery speed unless bought), to scan sectors for a bit more intensive data recovery or getdataback which is only free to try but man it works great

E:Using linux :P

F:Stopped surf'n pron site...nough said..lmao

 

Reply #29 Top

Remember, Fuzzy...there are only 2 types of computer users...[ignoring Linux trolls]...

Those who backup

and

Those who cry...

End of quote

 

Girly man!  You're supposed to be amused at your misfortune.

Reply #30 Top

Correct me if i'm wrong,would it have still happened if

A:Used limited user account instead of Admin
End of quote

Depends on the malware.

B: Change the actual name "admin" account to another name
End of quote

I doubt any malware is stupid enough to hard code account names into them.

C: Used some decent realtime scanners that block any attermpt for install of anything including unidentified software when in admin mode i.e spywareterminater ..a shamless plug right there for one of my fav apps when HIPS is activated nothing installs without me knowing about it or without my permission
End of quote

As you could have read he did. Using a different one, as the one you mentioned, is trivial as no scanner is 100% malware proof, not even your favorite.

D: Ran daily or weekly backup images of My Docs or Docs & Settings or whatever folder ,you could've also have used any number of free hdd scanners like recuva,undelete plus etc to retrieve any misplaced data  you needed back & most probably still can,or partitionfindandmount (free but limited to 512kb recovery speed unless bought), to scan sectors for a bit more intensive data recovery or getdataback which is only free to try but man it works great
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As you can read he also made backups. He only lost a few day's worth. And in my experience its faster to just replay those games up till where you were than to use a recovery program to recover the save games :P

E:Using linux
End of quote

Probably, but he would also not have been able to play the games in the first place :P (depending on the game in question)

Stopped surf'n pron site...nough said..lmao
End of quote

Stop making insane demands! *cry* Don't blame the pron :pout:

Reply #31 Top

Quoting twifightDG, reply 27
Why not use a NAS for that much data?
End of twifightDG's quote

NAS is mainly a network server who store data... my own computer is with a server board... why duplicate the work ? I have enough toom for add more HD if i wish... the cheap NAS are good for computer was have very few place for add a hardrive in intern... or for little network who share data...

Maybe the method used on my work is somehow the best... network ( using windows OS ) connected to a server ( using windows server version )... server itself connected on a low end computer running linux and only used for connect on the internet... in some way, the low end computer is a first stage control... if something append, the server simply cut the connection until all is again ok on the linux box... by the way, the Linux box have a strong firewall, and is running several antivirus in the same time...

Malware was, is and will remain a problem for computer... it is like spam, it will never end... since no one OS or software is 100% bullet proof, it will always someone who will find a security hole...

In some case, it is material related... i remember having read about a virus who lock down your harddrive with a random password... at the hardware level... no more read/write access unless you have some special material for crack your own drive... for usual people, the only solution is buy a new drive...

Reply #32 Top

Oh yes. At my college some assholes were trying to be funny and put BIOS passwords on the public workstations. I guess they cost the college a lot of money..

Reply #33 Top

Yes, my A/V detected the virus, but I couldn't be bothered to let it do its stuff. It's so much easier to restore from backup, that's why I have them! Safer too.

If I wasn't so lazy I would have set up extra profiles in SyncBack to copy my games folders. Losing a few saved games is no biggie though. There was only one Sins game I hadn't finished, a tough one against 7 unfair AIs - won't miss that one... ;p

Reply #34 Top

...Your logic is clear...4 they say "a man who fails 2 plan, plans to fail"...

and if a pic is worth a 1000 words, what is a byte worth......?.....Priceless

Reply #36 Top

I plan to have to reinstall someday.  No big loss.  Backups would be a hassle that would be for minimal gain.

 

Perhaps someday I'll feel differently, but I've never had equipment fail on me.  (Well, except for a video card or two...)

Reply #37 Top

Perhaps someday I'll feel differently, but I've never had equipment fail on me.
End of quote

Either you have'nt been using a computer for long or you're really lucky.

Keep in mind that there are two types of hard drives, ones that have failed and ones that will fail.

Reply #38 Top

That's one of the reasons I don't use Maxtor drives. I've had four fail on me and that's too many. Now I use Hitachi and have not had a single problem (yet... they all go eventually ;) )

Reply #39 Top

yngmon this is not THe Beginning, it is not the end. It could be the beginning of the end, or the end of the beginning. Whichever, it is a passage between realities... an open door through which to step - or not.

A passage between Windows as it is, and Windows as it can be - are you ready for the next level?

An alternate reality...

Reply #40 Top

Either you have'nt been using a computer for long or you're really lucky.

Keep in mind that there are two types of hard drives, ones that have failed and ones that will fail.
End of quote

Been using a computer for 24 years now.  I have had some data loss situations, but they're so infrequent they haven't bothered me.  Investing in the hardware to backup, what, the savegames I'll lose?

Doesn't seem that important.  If I actually had any important data, I'd look into it.

Reply #41 Top

Been using a computer for 24 years now. I have had some data loss situations, but they're so infrequent they haven't bothered me. Investing in the hardware to backup, what, the savegames I'll lose?

Doesn't seem that important. If I actually had any important data, I'd look into it.
End of quote

OK....maybe after 24 years you'll grow out of just gaming...and open up an Office app....you know, for commercial/employment/business/livelihood....and actually have a reason to lament data loss....;)

Reply #42 Top

Even if you have no full disk backups, a re-install is still quite a bit faster than scouring the hard disks with various different scanners.  Programs can be re-installed, and data can be restored.  But time is something that you can't get back without violating the laws of physics.

Reply #43 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 41
OK....maybe after 24 years you'll grow out of just gaming...and open up an Office app....you know, for commercial/employment/business/livelihood....and actually have a reason to lament data loss....
End of Jafo's quote
After 24 years?  Cripes I hope I'm dead by then.

Then again, I thought I'd be dead by 30 and that didn't happen, so *shrug*

My comment was more directed at the implication that those who don't backup are all fools.  Some have valid reasons for not needing to.

Once I get to the point where I need to backup, I'll buy a WHS machine and call it a day.

Reply #44 Top

Been using a computer for 24 years now
End of quote

That was the '24 years'....one would 'hope' by NOW you had actually made business-use of a computer and thus valued backups.

It's an irrefutable, undeniable fact that IF you do not back up.....you WILL live to regret it.

Eventually.

Reply #45 Top

I know.  I was joking.  I recognize it didn't show.  :p  Sarcasm on the internet and all that fun stuff.

I'll take my chances, until I actually have something worth backing up.  Which may never happen.

And actually, I did make business use of a computer, all of which was transacted over the internet.  I can't really backup someone elses system, so there you go.

Reply #46 Top

Quoting Fuzzy, reply 38
That's one of the reasons I don't use Maxtor drives. I've had four fail on me and that's too many. Now I use Hitachi and have not had a single problem (yet... they all go eventually )
End of Fuzzy's quote

I've had excellent luck with Seagate drives

Reply #47 Top

Around the time I used them Maxtors had a real bad name because of failures, apparantly they were sent back by the dozen (even companies confirmed high failure rates) however I used atleast 6 and never had a bad cluster.

Reply #48 Top

I suspect the biggest part of that is that not all factory lines have the same quality control, so it depends where your stuff was made.

I also suspect some people having problems with dying HDs have poor or overtaxed power supplies, though that obviously isn't true of everyone.

Reply #49 Top

Hey guys, how's it going :) Do you recommend any free anti virus, anti spyware/malware software to download? And if so, care to point me in the right direction? I'm using Vista 64bit. 

Cheers :digichet:

Reply #50 Top

I would go over to the below link, it is for Major Geeks.  I have never had any problems with software downloaded from there.  Look on the left hand side and select 'Anti-Virus'.  You will see free and paid versions.

http://www.majorgeeks.com/