1.05 is released

I just submitted the tiny game with 1.05, the score is really much higher then for prevoius versions

yea it is....now i just need to wait until the weekend to test it out

9500 for a Crippling Tiny?

Really makes our old games irrelevant, doesn't it?
A newbie who plays one of those is going to be ranked 13 on the Metaverse.

I'm not able to use govenors due to a CTD problem on 1.05, so it may be a while before I can finish a 1.05 game.

Wow, this seems like a White Council thread with 1/2 our empire reporting in. Well, that certainly shows that we are really interested in the latest version.

With a 3-1 ratio for map sizes mentioned by Frogboy in the scoring thread, we could be seeing 20k to 30k scores soon. Watch your back, Sergey.

Doesnt make then irrelevent Ray, it makes them dead
weight, giving us a serious disadvantage compared to
people who dont have many games submitted.

Think of it as your handicap(golf), Staffa.
Other folks need some help to compete with a power gamer like yourself. Especially a power gamer who is going on to school holidays.:sniff!:

Of course, I would much prefer it if they gave our older games a bit of a boost, with a heavier weighting for more recent versions.

It still adjusts for the Metaverse score. It looks to be about 25% of the actual score.

~SDC~

What do you mean jus4golf? Are you saying that the final score on the submission screen in the game is still different from the one that appears on the Metaverse?

No. Your submitted score is what shows up with 1.05.

No the submitted score is whats shows up but it is not added to your total. Like I scored 4800 and my actual score went up like 1200 pts. So I showed like 2800 on the leader board and went up to like 4000. I am not complaing about this I like it just fine. Just pointing out that if someone plays one game and shows 10000 there score on the leaderboard will be like 2500 or something. So the scores show up in the profile correct but there is still an equation used to get the metaverse leader board score. I may have not understood any of what I just wrote myself.

~SDC~

Jus4golf, the overall score is not a pure accumulation

Its the sum of all games divided by the square root
of the number of games. Always been like this

jus4golf, it adds up your scores and divides by the numebr of games your have played. So that 1200 increase you got: Staffa might have gotten like 50. A newbie (no other submitted games) would get it all - all 4800.

Don't forget guys, older scores were always intended to get less and less valuable (decay? half-life?). Its just been accelerated a bit. (But I am on the record as one of the people who'd like to shoot my early scores/or count the best 20/or something)

~SDC~

On the new scoring, yeah!

On the new 100% repeatable CTD for using the governors, boo!

On making our old scores dead weight, boo!

On the new metaverse submission confirmation, yeah!

On Brad announcing that all scores will be recalculated according to the new algorithms and/or he's going to fix the decay algorithm (which is needlessly harsh - you peak at 10 months, then lose score for almost a year, then have to play for 2 more years just to get back to your 10 month peak), a hypothetical yeah!

I've no problem with giving newbies a chance to attain Metaverse glory. It is just that currently it may be just a bit too simple for a good newbie who doesn't submit his training games to shoot up to the Top25.

I'm now half expecting to see a 25,000pts 1 game newbie every time I click on the Metaverse.

Well, finished my game started in 1.044 in 1.05
was a pain doing it without governers though

Hope they can quick patch this one as it makes
the game nearly unplayable

17,380 pts for a Maso/Large....



Maso players galaxy wide - Rejoice!!!



Can't wait to see what I would get for my Maso/Medium/Abundant.
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It's one thing to say we want to give newbies a chance, it's another to hand them the torch by making the previous players run with a backpack full of lead. Without a recalc of *all* scores every time the scoring system is changed, the metaverse isn't even a funsies competition, it's pointless.

The square root method of calculating scores already means that all things being equal, you only need to play half the games as an older player to reach about 70% of their score, and the decay method is just boofed. Not that there's any guarantee that any of us will be playing this game regularly even a month from now, without a recalc and hopefully some modifications to the decay algorithm (just setting the basement at 30% versus 20% makes a huge difference in how it works), we'll all be out to pasture long before our time

Oh, now stop whining!
Even if the newbies may have a quite easy time at the moment, it won't last long.

I knew the scores were always different didn't know about the games played deal. Thanks.

~SDC~

Sure it will (I'm not just referring to newbie in the sense of not knowing what they're doing).

The average score to date for the top players is only about 2500. These players have submitted around 20 games each so far.

New games look like we're going to be seeing an average of at least 7K (it's probably higher but I'll go with a conservative estimate).

Old fart plays 10 more games with the new scoring: metaverse score is 21908.

New player plays 10 games with the new scoring: metaverse score is 22135.

1/3 the effort, now ahead..

Old fart plays another 10 games, wants to hold onto his glory: metaverse score is 30041. The newcomer matches his 10 games: metaverse score is 32303.

1/2 the effort, now even farther ahead.

Then, the decay kicks in. Basically, assuming that someone who starts today is as equally skilled and dedicated as the people who've been playing and submitting since the early days, the newcomer is *guaranteed* of surpassing the early adopters because of the apparent lack of total recalcs like I keep asking about.

My suggestion: Don't use the metaverse. Sheesh.

I'm done guys. If you don't like the metaverse, don't use it. Okay?

Brad, when something as simple as just recalculating old scores so everyone remains on the same ground *completley* alleviates the situation, why the cynicism?

For an over the top analogy, let's say I hire you and a team onto a project at foo salary. Six months down the road I hire a second team but I start them as twice your guys' initial salary. You complain and I say, don't worry, I'll give you and your guys the same raises as the new team...

"Hey, wait a minute!" you say, "that means me and my guys will still never make as much as these new scrubs."

Should my reply be, "just quit the job then" as opposed to, "OK, I'll pay you the same as these new guys"?

Well, I'm an old fart who could learn to live with the dead weights.

As for the power newbies, I guess we will just have to entice them to join our empire. Hehe...