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Demigod: v1.20 Partial Change Log

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Demigod: v1.20 Partial Change Log

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Demigod v1.2 has passed what we call our tech QA and is now in consumer QA (i.e. compatibility and such).

Here’s a partial list of what’s in this build:

Notable Bug Fixes:

· Fixes a serious desync that could potentially resolve a number of problem cases in MP.

Citadel Upgrades

  • Graveyard Citadel Upgrade: Increased bonus from 10/20/40% to 15/30/50%

Favor Item Changes:

  • Samm-El’s Cloak: Buffed cap from 25% to 15%
  • Dark Crimson Vial: Reduced cast time from 2 to 1 seconds
  • Staff of the Warmage: Increased mana from 700 to 800
  • Magical Coin Pouch: Buffed cost reduction from 10% to 15%
  • Horn of Battle: Increased health regen from 10 to 25

New favor items:

                Spirit of the Fallen: Assassin only

                5000 Favor Points

                1000 Health

                8 Health Per Second

                Haste Anklet: Assassin only

                5000 Favor Points

                17% Increased Movement Speed

                Pendant of Prescience: Generals only

                5000 Favor Points

                15% Dodge

                20% Minion Dodge

                Tome of Champions: Generals Only

                5000 Favor Points

                800 Health

                5 Health Per Second

                150 Minion Health

Items:

  • Hex Scroll: Reduced cost from 500 to 250
  • Capture Lock: Increased cast time from 1 to 2 seconds
  • Combat Health and Mana Potions unchanged – we were afraid to tweak this one
  • Duelist Cuirass: Reduced cost from 3000 to 2500
  • Theurgist’s Cap: Reduced cost from 3000 to 2000
  • Hungarling’s Crown: Reduced cost from 6500 to 5500
  • Ironwalkers: Reduced cost from 3750 to 2750
  • Desperate Treads: Reduced cost from 5000 to 4000
  • Gauntlet’s of Despair: Increased mana drain from 200 to 300
  • Doomspite Grips: Increased weapon damage from 30 to 40
  • Forest Band: Increased minion armor from 200 to 300
  • Warlord’s Punisher: Unchanged
  • Ring of the Ancients: Reduced cost from 3500 to 2500
  • Parasite Egg: Reduced cost from 4000 to 3000

Game Mechanics:

  • Dodge Cap increased from 30% to 40%

Queen of Thorns:

  • Summon Shambler: Summon Shambler now increases health and damage of Shamblers as you gain new ranks. The values are 5/10/15 damage and 125/250/375 health.
  • Entourage: Shamber buff decreased to compensate for Summon Shambler’s boost. Damage reduced from 10/20/30 to 6/12/18 damage and 250/500/750 health to 165/330/495.
UPDATE:

·         Fixed TB’s ability to attack while moving in Fire Mode.

I’ll have a more complete list shortly.

Commenting is enabled to allow people to complain about the balancing since you can blame me for it. I read through the comments and various threads and compiled a list of requested changes along with my own experiences from playing.  So you can see a lot of things have been made less expensive. The new favor items are largely just “upgrades” (requiring a lot more favor points) to the existing ones. I tried to request items that could be realistically added.  So in other words, don’t flame GPG. Flame Brad (me).

The modding is going to become a big deal I believe as I am hoping we will be able to have our own mods that players will be able to distribute here on the game site or that we’ll eventually bundle with the game if they’re popular enough.

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Reply #151 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting nomilarac, reply 150



Quoting HorseRadish,
reply 128
Cant see all of page 5



same here

About the update, pls pls remove new favor items, as it's been already said they're balance-game breaking. There just won't be any viable alternative to them, expect to see lotsa unkillable SotF ooze Undead Beasts and Sednas.

Sigh, HP stacking taken to the next level...
End of nomilarac's quote

Won't have to worry about Sedna it is a Assassin item only.  Then again My New Dodge Sedna might be fun

Reply #152 from Demigod Forums Top

I think everybody here agree to remove the new favor items.

I agree too.

With SotF there is NO alternative for UB and Rook players. they just have to stack hp.

Sigh....poor new players......

Sins of a Solar Empire II
Reply #153 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Polynomial, reply 125
At the very least the people against it seem to think its the end of everything and the game's balance is going out the window. The argument against these high end items is more of the same, which we do not want. Which is true, we'd all prefer new favor items with more unique abilities. But at the very core these favor items do not change the balance. Its just more of the same.

I would hate to see these taken out at the last minute and see time wasted, but then again I've always believed Stardock and GPG could do a better job of communication patch content way before their release.
End of Polynomial's quote

Do you really believe that?  As many people have already stated in this thread, demigods that previously relied on favor items other than BotF are receiving an indirect nerf.  It's basically the same thing as buffing UB's starting HP from 1550 to 1750 while leaving QoT's starting HP untouched at 1450.  QoT could use Tome of Champions, but it's not a better option for her than Cloak of Night.

Reply #154 from Demigod Forums Top

It doesn't really matter, either way tis bad. I can't believe this... do you guys have any balance team at all?

 

 

THIS IS  A MORMONIC IDEA PLEASE ALLOW ME TO TOTALLY REBALANCE THIS ENTIRE GAME THANK YOU.

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Reply #155 from Demigod Forums Top
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More testing I want this build!!!!

Reply #156 from Demigod Forums Top

Thunderdamus's prediction is the most popular mod for this game will be the one that deactivates the new favor items...

Reply #157 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting obscenitor, 
reply 80
One thing, and lemme qualify this by saying I think all the other item changes are fantastic, but I really, really think that Sigils need a significant nerf. A 10 second duration is what I would do, but a % health or gold change could work as well.


I agree that sigil needs to be looked into, but this topic probably deserves a new thread.
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I agree too. Make a thread about it and i'll give my idea. (no, i could just add it to 'Brainstorm' thread :)  )

Reply #158 from Demigod Forums Top

+1 for scrapping the new favors. UB was already the scariest demigod to have to deal with in a straight fight. With SotF, it'll be run-on-sight. No questions asked.

I applaud the TB fix, maybe he'll be viable now. We'll see. In truth, though, he was broken for way too long. This is another one of those "should have been in at launch" things.

QoT changes are dissappointing. Entourage buffs should be moved entirely to Summon Shambler, with Entourage doing something completely different. I like the idea of it buffing QoT and nearby demigods. Maybe minions too. ALL minions. As it stands, shamblers still aren't viable as anything other than potions. And even then...meh. I always play QoT as pure Bramble/Ground Spikes/Spike Wave.

Item changes are good.

Reply #159 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting morpheas768, reply 135
I knew that you guys would lock my post.

Are the Invalid error and the endless conn screen fixed or not?
End of morpheas768's quote
Why did you ever think those issues weren't addressed at all? Especially -Sorian- frequently talked about it on his blog and Stardock and -Sorian- already said that the endless connectivity screen should not occur anymore and that a serious desync issue was fixed that possibly occured in many situations.

Reply #160 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Spooky__, reply 159

Quoting morpheas768, reply 135I knew that you guys would lock my post.

Are the Invalid error and the endless conn screen fixed or not?Why did you ever think those issues weren't addressed at all? Especially -Sorian- frequently talked about it on his blog and Stardock and -Sorian- already said that the endless connectivity screen should not occur anymore and that a serious desync issue was fixed that possibly occured in many situations.
End of Spooky__'s quote

 

You didn't read his thread. So don't comment on it.

He never said it wasn't addressed, he said it wasn't fixed. Sorian's blog (I've read every entry) states that he has found something that MIGHT be responsible for the desync issues and THINKS that it has been fixed. He did not say "I have honed in on the desync error and fixed it, this problem will never occur again *fixed*"

Reply #161 from Demigod Forums Top

THINKS that it has been fixed
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It's impossible to speak in absolutes about something like that based on limited QA testing only, and if he did and there yet remain rarer cases that were not isolated in testing, people would just complain even more. Only time and a broad base can tell if the core issue was indeed dealt with.

The problem was investigated and appears to be solved based on the repro cases that were found, but to extend that into a claim that we can 100% guarantee that the problem is solved in every possible case is dishonest at best. But it was a priority and it was dealt with as best as could be done based on the information available. Claiming otherwise despite the regular updates Sorian gave in the thread here and on his blog is just insulting.

Reply #162 from Demigod Forums Top

Hi, this is my first post, but because of these developments I think I have to make some kind of response... :S

The new uber favor items fundamentally give the greatest advantage to the two demigods with the highest win ratio, Lord Erebus and Unclean Beast.  This is fail... :/

By introducing these items you have effectively made my rook build less viable when facing opponents playing Ere and UB using these new favor items.

I play a rook build using amulet of teleportation.  It's a really fun way to play rook and, in terms of empirical evidence, it works well.  I'm an average player and I have 66% win with rook.  http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/demigods/player/51161/

Spooky__ plays using this favor item too: http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/demigods/player/27826/

To make a long story short, if you are introducing these items that essentially make the two best rook nerfing characters more powerful, I want this item.

 

Spirit Amulet of Teleportation: All

5000 Favor Points

Teleport (same cooldown time as a teleport scroll)

400 Armour  (or something like this... ^^)

 

In terms of the items you have already proposed, this is really NOT UNBALANCED.  FFS, you have just given UB an extra +3 hp per second and hp stacked ere's army! :P  Let's be reasonable here!

 

Let me hear your thoughts on this one.  If you are introducing game changing favor items, you really have to think about the different demigods and demigod builds that will suffer as a result of them.

 

Thanks for reading

 

shred_demon

 

Edit: Surely you pay a little attention to what the community thinks, don't you?  For QoT most people want uproot redesigned and the characters autoattack slightly increased.

Reply #163 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting playgroundlegend, reply 160
You didn't read his thread. So don't comment on it.

He never said it wasn't addressed, he said it wasn't fixed. Sorian's blog (I've read every entry) states that he has found something that MIGHT be responsible for the desync issues and THINKS that it has been fixed. He did not say "I have honed in on the desync error and fixed it, this problem will never occur again *fixed*"
End of playgroundlegend's quote
I did read his thread. So I commented on it.

The changelog specifically says that one major issue that can cause desyncs is fixed and that this was probably responsible for most desyncs that occurred since the last patch. Keep in mind that desyncs could be caused by a number of things. He can't tell which situation that could cause a desync is fixed, unless he has desync logs from every player of that game where the desync occurred. 

Furthermore -Sorian- said that they were able to fix the endless connectivity screens.

 

Quoting playgroundlegend, reply 160
He never said it wasn't addressed, he said it wasn't fixed.
End of playgroundlegend's quote
No, maybe you didn't read his thread then. With his hateful comments he implied that Stardock and/or GPG simply does not care about this, which is not true. He simply had a short troll-outburst.

Reply #164 from Demigod Forums Top

I Also think the new favor items are a bad idea, i don't mind having stronger versions of existing favor items that cost more, as long as you make stronger version for ALL favor items. by making just these 4 new favor items you basicly downgraded all other favor item choices and made them less viable options.

Fixed TB’s ability to attack while moving in Fire Mode.
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Finally.

Reply #165 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting kryo, reply 161

THINKS that it has been fixed
It's impossible to speak in absolutes about something like that based on limited QA testing only, and if he did and there yet remain rarer cases that were not isolated in testing, people would just complain even more. Only time and a broad base can tell if the core issue was indeed dealt with.

The problem was investigated and appears to be solved based on the repro cases that were found, but to extend that into a claim that we can 100% guarantee that the problem is solved in every possible case is dishonest at best. But it was a priority and it was dealt with as best as could be done based on the information available. Claiming otherwise despite the regular updates Sorian gave in the thread here and on his blog is just insulting.
End of kryo's quote

 

No it's insulting to state that there is only limited QA testing and that the major issues are time and a broad base. You'd have a broad base if people didn't leave because of desyncs, invalid gamestates, never ending connectivity screens and you've had months to figure this out. Something that didn't happen as often until the latest patch was released, hence everyone got the hell out of dodge (aka quit the game).

Just after posting this I logged into demigod to see if I could find a fun game to play:

Great job!

Don't lose too much sleep over the issue, it's not serious..... really. no biggie

By the way, kudos on the sweet messaging system.

hey you there?

 

No but im here now

you on?

nah

you on now?

yeah im on are you on?

 

Reply #166 from Demigod Forums Top

Its thursday and the patch was meant to go out on wensday...  BTW the entourage buff shouldnt be so dracstically changed she still has weaker minions then erebus because he can have a whole lot more than 4...

Reply #167 from Demigod Forums Top

Updated change log anyone?

Reply #168 from Demigod Forums Top

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Reply #169 from Demigod Forums Top

qa is always limited. it has no sense to test further after a certain level. the costs then are much higher than the use you get out of testing. btw. you can never say that some program really works because you cant proof that it works. you can just test if it does not.

and i really think that they do what they can. they just do it too slow. thats all.

and since my lobby just crashed again: have you fixed the issues with the lobby crashing all the time?

playgroundlegend asked me to ask you why you removed his ability to post into the forum. he would appreciate a message with information.

Reply #170 from Demigod Forums Top

The Queen of Thorns should be taken a little more siriously! You plan to allow her to heal allied towers? Well, I guess that she has had a change of heart! Oh dear, is she getting every allied demigod some christmas presents too?

I don't mean to be harsh at all, but please think carfully. The Queen of Throns should take part in being an ally by providing a strong attack frontier for her team, she's no backstage nurse.
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I actually agree with this*, but not really sure with the rest of things. Still, the idea:

Like priests, they should also have a minor ability that allows them to root themselves with with the unit/demigod/tower that they are attacking and steal 3% of their current hear.
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is not so bad, but only if they(shamblers) would keep their range att.(so no melee please), and be able to do 'root themselves with the' demigods & general minions only (not other creeps or towers) and do that only (randomly) if being attacked by(or very near to) meele enemies (so grabbing them, rooting them in place= just slowing their speed actually & reducing their health per second(doing dot))

But this is not the good place or time for suggesting this 'revolutionary & never-will-happen' kind of ideas. (I could also say that even your Lusting Scent isnt that bad idea when you think of Qot character/story)

*i never really liked that uproot idea of healing your own towers(heck, even Obscenitor whose idea it was said about it:

Yeah, really the uproot idea is the least interesting and useful change. There's two reasons why I didn't suggest something more radically different:

First of all is that my idea would require no new animation. Making the ability into something else which targets units/DGs would almost definitely require some new visual effects.

Second is that QoT has enough attack spells and mana is a major issue as-is. Whatever other effect you want to see wrapped into a new version of Uproot could be tied to Spike Wave, Ground Spikes, Mulch, shamblers' auto-attack, or even as an open-form autoattack special effect.

Uproot is not a cool ability. As long as it's focused on buildings, whether it heals them, harms them, confuses them, stuns them, deals AoE damage around them, etc. it's never going to be useful in the vast majority of fights, but some players still like that kind of thing and no DG can really handle casting more than 3 spells anyway.
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it's really in contrary with the nature of 'uproot' word meaning itself. Uproot is to uproot/destroy, not to heal. I can add Playground's comment about Uproot too:

Or netural towers, there's already an item for that, an item that anyone can buy. Or you can just buy FS1 and some tp's and make sure you never lose a tower to begin with via teamwork and communication.
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anyway, move on to next: (about sigils)

or instead of losing all health but 1 health, your current health should drop down to 10% of ur max health.
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I can agree with that, but to go at the same time with nerfing them.


Quoting Polynomial, reply 125
At the very least the people against it seem to think its the end of everything and the game's balance is going out the window. The argument against these high end items is more of the same, which we do not want. Which is true, we'd all prefer new favor items with more unique abilities. But at the very core these favor items do not change the balance. Its just more of the same.
End of Polynomial's quote

Really, i'm starting to doubt in you human intelligence. Do you understand that new fave items wont make game more fun& enjoyable, but opposite (there will ofc always be 'exceptional ppl', but in minority thank God, and we cant change that, but it really doesn't matter).

EDIT: Ups, the quoting... messed up. ^_^' I hope you'll understand who said what. :grin:

Reply #171 from Demigod Forums Top

As has already been said, these new favor items are just more of the same, and a bad direction to head in as it even further limits what will eventually be used in the pool.  What is the point then?

I'd rather see all the remaining favor items buffed/altered to the point where we may see them in circulation a bit more, wasn't this the initial point of the favor items?  To add variety to gameplay and differentiate same-dg clashes perhaps a little?

Please reconsider these new items.  Go back and look at all the current ones that aren't being used first.

Reply #172 from Demigod Forums Top


Simple thoughts

1. New favor items, are the dumbest idea... What we need a reblance of favor items no one uses to make them worthwhile. - Here is a hint for free. Magical Coin Pouch 15% discount on items over 500 gold plus -100 gold. This makes it super competitive because early game this person could by purchase scrolls and locks super cheap and feed the team. Not to mention low level upgrades. Only note is that you have to put a cap on totem of revelation to 3 on the battle field per team, if not you would have 9 of them at all times. hire me if you want more ;)

2. Horn of battle DOES NOT need improvement. period

3. There is no need to debuff QOT, she is weak enough as it is.

4. the number 1 feature that should be addressed... Being abled to reconnect to a game if you crash. - I know we will never see this feature, but it's worth noting.

5. If someone does disconnect, there character should be replaced with a nightmare AI at the very least.

6. No new Demigods?

7. There should be an item and even an artifact that caps the effects of slow. I know there is a favor item, but besides that there are no other good ways of dealing with it.

8. Ice tb's cool down increase doesn't seem to always work. I've even seen my cool down times go up, but in 5 seconds return to normal.... Whats the point of that. If you guys fixed this it would make him more competitive.

9. Sedna's pounce should NOT break people out of grasp or freeze if Sedna is ON YOUR TEAM!!!.

10. QOT's mode switching should be reduced to 0 seconds even if it doesn't match the animation. This would make her much more useful.

11. Tb's mode switch should be reduced by 1 second to make high hybrid builds more useful. Example. being able to freeze someone and then do circle of fire while they are still froze should be possible.

Thats it for now.

Reply #173 from Demigod Forums Top

i really wonder why they posted only a partial changelog. i mean is the patch finished or not? qa shouldnT enforce any changes to that. at most some of the noted changes aren't working as intended so they need to fix it. but this still does not explain why the changelog has been posted only partially.

seems odd for a finsihed patch that passed first QA and is now in the last QA step, as they said.

Reply #174 from Demigod Forums Top

QoT changes are dissappointing. Entourage buffs should be moved entirely to Summon Shambler, with Entourage doing something completely different. I like the idea of it buffing QoT and nearby demigods. Maybe minions too. ALL minions. As it stands, shamblers still aren't viable as anything other than potions. And even then...meh. I always play QoT as pure Bramble/Ground Spikes/Spike Wave.
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indeed,  the idea of making entourage as buffing aura for Qot and her (all!) minions is not bad (and it has already been suggested before) (i already stated my idea (with tribute being incorporated in entourage already)) and there are really plenty ways of making that skill better (true, some of it would require more work than just changing the existing numbers, but she really deserved that work/care), and her other skills.

The thing/the main point/definition of balancing is to make every skill equally appealing to chose for your build, so that it makes the hard choice for you (unless ofc, you have some strict favorable play style to stick with always. so it should in no way be restricted by some skill being better than other)  That i call balance!   And ofc, i know it is impossible to make that kind of (perfect) balance, but please you must try to come as much as close to that. Strive for it! (We are here to help :thumbsup: )

 If all Qot's skills would be at least closely equally strong/desired, you may not be always using the same 'bramble/groundspike/spike wave' build,  but would be drawn to maybe try/switch to another one.

 

Spirit Amulet of Teleportation: All

5000 Favor Points

Teleport (same cooldown time as a teleport scroll)

400 Armour (or something like this... ^^)
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Yeah man, you said it right, they should/could have put items like that in too, if they really want to add those new ulti items!

But, again, i dont want that.  Just remove those new items, please, and rebalance better the old ones!

 

Edit:

You know this is more of a team game I think more favor items should be aura's or help the team. ex. magical coin pouch could be 10% cost reduction for team. We have some like blood soaked wand and wings of seraphim. Maybe we need more team favor.
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i agree. more favor aura items are welcome! (i'm not really sure for Magical Pouch as with aura for team, that could be too good, having just one teammate to sacrifice his favor slot, but will reduce items cost to all team is pretty strong imo. That might even request fore another team to take it as well to counter it)

Reply #175 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting kryo, reply 161

THINKS that it has been fixed
It's impossible to speak in absolutes about something like that based on limited QA testing only, and if he did and there yet remain rarer cases that were not isolated in testing, people would just complain even more. Only time and a broad base can tell if the core issue was indeed dealt with.

The problem was investigated and appears to be solved based on the repro cases that were found, but to extend that into a claim that we can 100% guarantee that the problem is solved in every possible case is dishonest at best. But it was a priority and it was dealt with as best as could be done based on the information available. Claiming otherwise despite the regular updates Sorian gave in the thread here and on his blog is just insulting.
End of kryo's quote

 

Hey checkout my name!

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