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DG Players: Tier 1, Tier 2, and Those to be Avoided

DG Players: Tier 1, Tier 2, and Those to be Avoided

This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 
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Reply #601 Top

I thought so too...

Reply #602 Top

Well 3vs3 worked, but we got a moronic rook teammate and I was tired( past 1 am) so I decided to leave before the 3 min mark. Anyway we did talk so heh.

 

Are we going to play a tournament and then what time?

Reply #603 Top

How are we gunna pick teams?

Reply #604 Top

Just make your own. Premade fight. That's what we wanted. Anyone who can't find teams gets filled in with another team.

Reply #605 Top

I figured we would wanna pick teamz.

Reply #606 Top

Hope to get a game in with Archon_Saar soon

Regarding a tournament - we've generated sufficient interest and have almost enough people (IMO) on lagwars vent server at this point to get a small tournament going.  I don't think we should be making this a premade tournament, as I still don't think that's going to tell us that much about individual skill.  That's an arguable point, to be sure.  I tend to think the most interesting thing to do would be to a system where we rotate team members and develop a point system to track.  For instance, let's say we have 12 players that will be in our little tournament.  We decide that all matches will be 3v3.  We mix and match teams based on the possible combinations and play.  Granted, this idea results in us a playing a fairly rediculous amount of games (read: I'm guessing you guys will think this idea is idioitic), but it would generate the most exposure to people you don't generally play with and would most likely strengthen our small community.

Reply #607 Top

Quoting The_Regicide, reply 601
I thought so too...
End of The_Regicide's quote

It's wireless. Pings start at 200 ;)

Edit: also most coffee shops throttle P2P connections so you don't torrent off of their internet.

Reply #608 Top

Had a game with an idiot just now. Decided to save the replay and show you guys why exactly you should never go full retard.
Also, he lagged the game. The only guy who had 400+ ping to me.

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=107770

Never play with Kevinabcd1988.

Also, this is my first time playing Beast in this epoch, so I'd appreciate some comments, criticism and the like.

Reply #609 Top

well...you know from the other two threads that I second Kevin to the shame/players to avoid list :D

Reply #610 Top

I've had a lot of good games with Kevin.

Reply #611 Top

Heh, even I remember Kevin. We always joked that he must have been playing from the Moon hehe. Another thing that always amused us about Kevin was that he never got any better despite all the games he played.

Reply #612 Top

Hes not amazing, but when I play with him I always counted on him not to be a retard. 

Saved my ass with a shield multiple times.

Reply #613 Top

Yeah that's funny, but he's asian I think so he has trouble getting the right items.

Reply #614 Top

Oh sorry, allow me to reiterate. I never said he was BAD, he just never got to be passed a certain point in skill despite the 100's(at that time, I quit awhile ago) of games he had played.

Reply #615 Top

well...you know from the other two threads that I second Kevin to the shame/players to avoid list
End of quote

I don' t know about putting him on the avoid list, though tbh, I already do avoid him.  Not because he cheated or was terrible or anything like that, but in the few games I've played with him, the lag was so over the top that I decided to not try to play with him again.

Reply #616 Top

ok, fellas.  I started adding my tier 1 picks to the list.  Need to see replay or play with Archon_Saar.  Missed my chance to play with lifekatana a few days back.  Hope to get a chance again, too.

I basically reviewed the list of tier 2's and bumped up players based on my personal experience and replay's I've watched.

Reply #617 Top

Yes, I'll be on at US times in the weekend, on regular days I need to sleep. :D  

Reply #618 Top

Pacov,

These are the players who I've had extensive experience playing with and believe should be bumped to Tier 1.

  • ErksaConti (sedna)
  • Hemp_Boy/rnz0
  • IamKira
  • Janook (I am shameless)
  • magnus333
  • morpheas768 (erebus)
  • NinkiCZ (rook + everybody)
  • Obscenitor/horsestrangler (rook + beast)
  • pacov (beast + reg)
  • Sakke

Haven't decided on Maccillia or GL_Mithrandir.  There are also other players I know are good but haven't seen in a while.

On Archon: He's okay.  Tier 2 at best.

Also, Dunno about Cowbutzex as tier1.  Tier 2 definietly, but not quite tier 1.

Reply #619 Top

Quoting Archon_Saar, reply 609
well...you know from the other two threads that I second Kevin to the shame/players to avoid list
End of Archon_Saar's quote

Archon, I´m really disappointed by your behaviour. Your just a stats looking guy, giving people no chance. If I hadn´t played that damn pantheon gen vs ass I would have a bout 65% stats like before the patch. Would that have fit you better?

I´m ashamed by the "good" players of this community and will see that a new game will be found with a kinder community. Sorry, but all are just watching stats. It´s frustrating!

Reply #620 Top

Quoting Janook, reply 618
Pacov,

These are the players who I've had extensive experience playing with and believe should be bumped to Tier 1.


ErksaConti (sedna)
Hemp_Boy/rnz0
IamKira
Janook (I am shameless)

magnus333
morpheas768 (erebus)
NinkiCZ (rook + everybody)
Obscenitor/horsestrangler (rook + beast)
pacov (beast + reg)
Sakke

Haven't decided on Maccillia or GL_Mithrandir.  There are also other players I know are good but haven't seen in a while.

On Archon: He's okay.  Tier 2 at best.

Also, Dunno about Cowbutzex as tier1.  Tier 2 definietly, but not quite tier 1.
End of Janook's quote

The biggeset issue is that Tier 1, as it stands now, is NOT a "numerically the best 10-30  players". It has several other qualifications that Erska and Sakke just plain don't meet

Reply #621 Top

Quoting Janook, reply 618


On Archon: He's okay.  Tier 2 at best.

End of Janook's quote

 

You are kiding me right? We played only one (1) short game, where we were 2v3 anyway because of raging...is a game enough to make an impression on someone's skill? If so, then you also belong to tier 2 at best, because you didnt impress me either....but then again, that game wasn't even a game...

 

Plus, half of your list has nothing to do with Tier 1 (including you).

 

Btw, Trouserssnake's rook wasnt that good, but then again maybe it's not his fault, Levi is not a rook friendly map.

Reply #622 Top

Quoting GeneralGonzo, reply 619


Archon, I´m really disappointed by your behaviour. Your just a stats looking guy, giving people no chance. If I hadn´t played that damn pantheon gen vs ass I would have a bout 65% stats like before the patch. Would that have fit you better?
End of GeneralGonzo's quote

 

Not at all, I'm basing my decisions on personal experiences. I knew how you play and I also knew renz0 and Mooks (the other team). You are an ok player, but trust me, those 2 are way over your league....no offence. I wouldn't have played you in that setup even if you had 90%.

Reply #623 Top

As said before: that list above means nothing. Just played a 3on3 against shred_demon who is listed above and was really disappointed by his game. Maybe it was because he played UB, but he was killed several times and he even said "gg", though not ending the game, which we finally still lost because comrades thought citadel upgrades aren´t that important :-(

Have a look at the replay and judge afterwards. Comments here are welcome! 

ok, maybe this works:

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=107823

Reply #624 Top

lol. First Archon denies being uberly awesomely leet then gets angry when people call him only tier 2

Reply #625 Top

Quoting Janook, reply 618
Pacov,

These are the players who I've had extensive experience playing with and believe should be bumped to Tier 1.


ErksaConti (sedna)
Hemp_Boy/rnz0
IamKira
Janook (I am shameless)

magnus333
morpheas768 (erebus)
NinkiCZ (rook + everybody)
Obscenitor/horsestrangler (rook + beast)
pacov (beast + reg)
Sakke
Haven't decided on Maccillia or GL_Mithrandir.  There are also other players I know are good but haven't seen in a while.

On Archon: He's okay.  Tier 2 at best.

Also, Dunno about Cowbutzex as tier1.  Tier 2 definietly, but not quite tier 1.
End of Janook's quote

Funny, when is the last time you have played with me? 3 months ago?

I can't comment on you because its been way to long. As for Magnus333 I always beat him when hes against me so I would have to say tier 2 for him. The rest of your list I agree with.