Developer acting like 5 year old... » Forum Post by Rebell44

Quoting Saije,

Morality is an outdated sentiment born in the minds of those who possess no real power.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

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@TheDarkKnight2008

Your Naivete is refreshing... Tell me have you ever lied? Have you ever cheated? Have you ever felt hatred? Anger?

Of course you have... The fact that you lashed out at me so quickly perfectly illustrates my point. You probably got hot, angry, irritated. I never feel any of those things. You may try to cloak your feelings behind some righteous ideal but the truth is it's just evil boiling up inside you. You just disguise that evil by giving it a pretty name and force others to perceive that manufactured Ideal in the same light. If they don't they are the enemy and must be scorned am I right? Your self-righteousness is laughable. The United States, which claims to be the number one supporter of "Justice" in the world was born from death, oppression, and the desires of wicked men who simply took what they wanted and offered no apology for doing so. Why don't you go ask the Native Americans how they felt when they were basically wiped out for some supposed "Ideal"

By the way, the people who died by 21 weren't like me at all... They were stupid.

The Men who rule the world... They are like me, and they are insidious and intelligent, able to bend your feeble perceptions to fit whatever goal they have in mind... Sad part is, you don't even realize it. Hell you'll be so eager to believe in their infallible nature and righteousness that you'll blatantly ignore evidence to the contrary. It's okay though, most cowards are like that.

Personally I hate them... But that's it.

The only real difference between them and I is that I hate people... Also I don't give a damn about controlling people, so I have no problem telling them truths they don't want to hear rather then pouring sweet honey in their ears.

Do I think people should just go on a killing spree or do whatever they want... Of course not, people need to balance their needs with what others will tolerate. If a person were to kill someone the people who love that person will seek vengeance for them, that is Justice. Would they simply say meh so Mary was killed by some Psycho big deal. Nah, they will be filled with a passionate hatred for that person that defies explanation... And that's okay it would be perfectly natural and acceptable... I would also hold no grudge against them if they killed the individual, but I don't think we need to hide such dark business behind pretty words like Morality... After all would you call their vengeance, justice or murder? Arguments could be made for either... And that's the point Morality is subjective and by default made up in a single beings mind.

Morality IS an illusion... Make no mistake about that my friend, whether you believe in illusions or not is a matter of choice, I won't interfere with your perception if its what lets you rest comfortably at night, believing in a pure world. That being said, don't show the foolishness and arrogance it takes to argue on the side of such ridiculous ideals. Your self-righteousness might make my stomach sick.

If my writing seems subversive of anarchistic I'm truly sorry, I have no intention of causing trouble I just like to analyze these types of philosophical quandaries to better understand the world around me and the actions of the people within it.

Also I'm really not as wicked as this makes me seem, I'm just willing to accept basic truths that others spend their entire lives attempting to remain blinded to.

Also... I don't believe in Morality DarkKnight, but I do believe in Honor... Yes I know they seem very similar but they are actually worlds apart from one another. If you were confused and arguing on the side of honor (Confusing Morality for it) then I agree.

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You, Saige, are either a troll, or pathetic at attempting to teach the world. However, you will likely succeed in both endeavors when a single member responds twice to you.

Quoting Saije,

reply 27

The United States, which claims to be the number one supporter of "Justice" in the world was born from death, oppression, and the desires of wicked men who simply took what they wanted and offered no apology for doing so.

No, it was the brainchild of ex-limey capitalists that wanted to found a society on representative taxes, and to build on such principle.

Hearts of Iron 3 is mislabeled. It's really a sandbox WWII era strategy game. I've conquered Italy with Ethiopia before, if you want to argue how rediculous it can be at times. But whatever, banned is banned. Ask any Trotskyite.

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Whatever I won't argue the point any further...

That's fine by me, and it doesn't dilute my argument in the slightest.

You are all free after all to believe in what you wish.

Its just hilarious to me that If I bash morality... It suddenly makes me the "Bad-guy" and your all free to attack me...

Musta learned that one from Hollywood.

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@ IrationalFear.

Hmmm So killing all the Native Americans and Displacing them was all just my imagination... Those people didn't "Steal" the country... What was I thinking.

Foolish.

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Aw, what the hell, I need some entertainment.

Quoting Saije,

reply 29

Its just hilarious to me that If I bash morality... It suddenly makes me the "Bad-guy" and your all free to attack me...
Musta learned that one from Hollywood.

No, George W. Bush taught us to do that.

Quoting Saije,

reply 30

Hmmm So killing all the Native Americans and Displacing them was all just my imagination... Those people didn't "Steal" the country... What was I thinking.

Are you expecting me to show sign of morality/ethic by pitying them, or have you just revealed yours.

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You got me... I'm actually pretty kind. Sometimes I cry about the state of the world to myself. I hate that there is so much injustice in a world where something like morality supposedly exists. However, morality in the form of a set of rules that define what is good or evil is what I'm confronting. One person may support a certain thing calling it moral while another believes just the opposite. This is why morality is in illusion, just like time. Its something that doesn't exist on its own, rather it is a production of the human mind and subject to its randomness. You may all agree that morality exists but I doubt any of you could agree on a set of rules that represent said morality. It is because each one of you possess your own set of rules. Hence morality is not concrete it is subjective and therefore an illusion... False.

Is Abortion okay?

Is Homo-Sexuality okay?

Is Killing okay?

etc...

These questions plague the human mind, we each think we have the answer but when we compare it to others we realize it's just a personal conviction. Some that even seem cut and dry like murder can be turned on their heads depending on what society or culture you view it through. Head hunters used to think of killing and taking heads as honorable and therefore moral... Likewise Native Americans killed colonists and vice-verse. But it was okay at the time... Because they were "Savages" these inconsistencies will always exist... They cannot be refuted because they unlike morality itself are indeed factual. Morality however, is Illusory. Amazing when an American soldier is rewarded for slaughtering helpless innocents like they did back in the Native American "cleansing"

You can't defend these things, nor could I... Yet at the time they were perfectly acceptable because the people said they were, if "that" is your morality, simply the will of the mob, then your a greater fool then I thought.

Go ahead... Respond... I'd love to see you refute this.

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You cal me a fool, repeatedly, and without proof.

lol, jk.

Anarchist logic usually works for me. Oh my, 10 million Native Americans died at the hands of colonists and disease? Gosh, did you hear that, Canaanites?

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The Supreme Ruler 2020 guys can get real touchy about their game too... when making a geo-political simulation it's incredibly difficult to make things resolve in a realistic fashion, and sometimes players can get a little unrealistic about what they can really expect from such a game.

I've played HOI 3... way too involved for me. I keep hearing about HOI 2... is that something to try? What about Arsenal of Democracy?

You got me... I'm actually pretty kind. Sometimes I cry about the state of the world to myself. I hate that there is so much injustice in a world where something like morality supposedly exists. However, morality in the form of a set of rules that define what is good or evil is what I'm confronting. One person may support a certain thing calling it moral while another believes just the opposite. This is why morality is in illusion, just like time. Its something that doesn't exist on its own, rather it is a production of the human mind and subject to its randomness. You may all agree that morality exists but I doubt any of you could agree on a set of rules that represent said morality. It is because each one of you possess your own set of rules. Hence morality is not concrete it is subjective and therefore an illusion... False.

Dear god, Saije! Unless you're trying to pick a fight and/or trying to prove you're smarter than all those "moralists", you're getting way too passionate. Ultimately, morality vs. amorality, it's all semantics, and just the same thing depending on which way you look at it. Let people live with their so-called "delusions", it's bad enough that we spill blood over lesser matters.

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Hmmm nice... Now we can agree on one thing... I'm an Asshole and a psychopath.

Nice pic by the way.

Also my point stands and remains as irrefutable as it shall always stand, because it's truth, nothing more nothing less.

Although you do prove the point that the word morality only persists so long as its useful. When it isn't useful mannerisms are altered and changed to suit ones particular situation and then that is called morality.

Hence it is an illusion used for control and to hide ones swords and spears under a benevolent banner, which is what I've proposed from the beginning.

Anyway I think we should close this thread now since its erroneous and not really going anywhere.

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Saije you seem. . .a tad riled there?

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@MagicwillNZ

Sorry I am overly passionate about this particular subject... I should learn to control my emotions better, It's just that I have a very unconventional (Read:Brutal/Villainous/Mean/Angry/Anti-Social) way of behaving and I've often been attacked as immoral when I've perceived far greater "immoralities" around me that go unnoticed. Still I'll never claimed to be anything but a villain, its just the way I've chosen to live my life... If I'll be damned by people for it, then so be it. Though they could at least have the decency to attack me and my ideals based on their own principles and not under a banner of supposed morality. Which it seems people are willing to cling to so they can gang up on others.

BTW Sorry to everyone I've offended with this... Over passionate, my bad.

Still the truth though.

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I think its funny that they list a request for a feature as a means for banning. That in itself should make a consumer be wary of buying their product. That being said it upsets me since I've like a lot of games that paradox has made especially the europa universalis series. Hope they don't go the way of Activision and EA.

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TheDarkKnight2008

Join Date 04/2007

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Quoting Saije,

reply 27

@TheDarkKnight2008You probably got hot, angry, irritated.

Annoyed at idiotic comments, but I never got angry.

Quoting Saije,

reply 27

I never feel any of those things.

Bullshit. You say that you say things how they are, but you lie about yourself.

Quoting Saije,

reply 27

The Men who rule the world... They are like me, and they are insidious and intelligent

So the men who rule the world are full of shit and THINK they are intelligent huh?

Quoting Saije,

reply 27

Personally I hate them... But that's it.

I thought you didn't have emotions.

Quoting Saije,

reply 27

The only real difference between them and I is that I hate people... Also I don't give a damn about controlling people, so I have no problem telling them truths they don't want to hear rather then pouring sweet honey in their ears.

You haven't told anybody any 'truth'. You've only showed us that you live with hate and lie to yourself every day about your own emotions.

Quoting Saije,

reply 27

Do I think people should just go on a killing spree or do whatever they want... Of course not, people need to balance their needs with what others will tolerate. If a person were to kill someone the people who love that person will seek vengeance for them, that is Justice. Would they simply say meh so Mary was killed by some Psycho big deal. Nah, they will be filled with a passionate hatred for that person that defies explanation... And that's okay it would be perfectly natural and acceptable... I would also hold no grudge against them if they killed the individual, but I don't think we need to hide such dark business behind pretty words like Morality... After all would you call their vengeance, justice or murder? Arguments could be made for either... And that's the point Morality is subjective and by default made up in a single beings mind.

... You first said that you don't agree with people going on killing sprees, then you basically agree with them going on killing sprees. I can see why you think morality is subjective, you haven't chosen anything you call morality yet. We have laws that would put you behind bars if you commited murder, rather or not it was justice. You say that you don't want to come across as anarchist, you say you control emotions and are intelligent, yet you believe that society can go on with people getting justice for yourself? What kind of fantasy land are YOU living in?

Quoting Saije,

reply 27

Morality IS an illusion... Make no mistake about that my friend, whether you believe in illusions or not is a matter of choice, I won't interfere with your perception if its what lets you rest comfortably at night, believing in a pure world. That being said, don't show the foolishness and arrogance it takes to argue on the side of such ridiculous ideals. Your self-righteousness might make my stomach sick.

Right. Well I'm not gonna hold back just because I hurt someone's feelings.

Quoting Saije,

reply 27

Also... I don't believe in Morality DarkKnight, but I do believe in Honor... Yes I know they seem very similar but they are actually worlds apart from one another. If you were confused and arguing on the side of honor (Confusing Morality for it) then I agree.

I suppose you think honor is related to an eye for an eye? You are anarchist.

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Again, you guys are way off topic. Take your insults and fanatical ideals to another thread.

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@TheDarkKnight2008

Look friend... What I've said here isn't an argument... Because it's inarguable, either you believe it and accept truth, or you don't and embrace delusion.

I think in your case the choice is obvious.

As for the eye for an eye thing... Yeah, If someone killed your mother, or your lover, or your sister or whatever... Wouldn't you want revenge? Of course you would, keep telling yourself you'd be content with the police's justice, your just lying to yourself.

As for the rest... Did you read what I wrote? Are you even arguing the point? Or at this point are you just relying on attacks on my character?

You didn't provide a single counterpoint to my argument, you just called me a liar and went on about how I've lied about myself and I'm this that... All just personal attacks, Your not even debating the subject of the debate anymore your just being an angry bitter loser. So who has morality issues? Your being awfully hypocritical what with your clear and directed scorn.

So why don't you come back when you can actually refute my claims on morality... Not that you'll ever be able to.

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Sorry myfist0 I'm not going to not defend myself against his zealous and self-righteous contempt for me nor my Ideals and quite frankly I shouldn't have to defend them, they are my beliefs which he insulted, if he doesn't like them he can shut his mouth.

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I'm just sitting here wondering who thawed out the Warrior Monk Samurai Ninja Conspiracy Theorist.

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Conspiracy Theories exist for a reason, because we live under the heel of those who seek to control.

In a perfect world where everyone lived according to a code of honor that included personal accountability and a sense of justice. The Government would no longer have a ruse of purpose to hide behind... They pretend they are there to protect you from the "Bad Men" what a load...

I find it amusing that so many atheists bash religious systems for being systems of control and how they are SOOO terrible. The only difference between a Religion and a Government is that a Government never lies about its purpose being to control your life. So uuuhh why arn't they terrible? Oh because they have guns... And authority and they'll jail your ass.

There is really little to no difference between a legitimate government and the Mob. The Only difference is that one is too powerful for the people to just ignore.

They both ask for protection money (Read: Taxes)

They both break your legs if you don't pay (Read: Prison)

They both reinforce their will with violence (Read: Police)

They both have no qualms about taking out those who get in their way or annoy them

Honestly, I'm left wondering how "Governments" started in the first place... Oooh that's right the people who started them were clever bastards who played upon the insecurities of the people to achieve a role of dominance. Go back further and they just straight killed anyone who wouldn't accept their reign. The first "Leaders" were just the biggest guys with the biggest clubs...

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double post due to lag- sorry

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Quoting Orvidos,

reply 44

I'm just sitting here wondering who thawed out the Warrior Monk Samurai Ninja Conspiracy Theorist.

That just made this thread worth reading again

Ultimately i was reading this thread to see what really happened with Rebel44. Nothing besides the talking llama told me much . Honestly its fine if they ban you from the forum for forum stuff, but not from game for forum stuff. Thats got EA cross game ban written on it followed by a boycott.

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I'm ashamed of my behavior here... I was baited into a childish squabble and aired more of my grief then intended.

If a Moderator sees this I would appreciate it if you'd Ban this Account. That will have to due as an apology to DarkKnight and the others.

As for you DarkKnight I am sorry if my view disturbs you... Hell it disturbs me, sadly I've never witnessed anything to contradict it. I actually respect you for fighting for morality which is akin to sticking up for the righteous path. Personally though I've seen people do such and then immediately contradict their righteous viewpoints with dishonorable actions.

I don't think we were on the same page what with how we were perceiving our versions of morality.

Still you have my respect all the same.

Anyway this is my official apology to you and the rest of the forums for getting heated and showering you all with my unpleasant psychosis.

Sorry.

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Quoting Saije,

reply 48

...If a Moderator sees this I would appreciate it if you'd Ban this Account. That will have to due as an apology to DarkKnight and the others.

No need to lose this account IMO, that would be a shame. Stick around and we all might learn something. Mistakes are a learning opportunity, and no one is so wise they can't improve themselves.

“The unexamined life is not worth living.”

-Socrates

Speaking of learning opportunities...

...I was baited...

The only person responsible for our behavior is us. No one is baited, as that denies responsibility for one's actions, and cedes to others power over us.

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Words of wisdom Nick, words of wisdom!

And no offense to you Saije (I am not saying this is what you intended), but nothing grinds my gears more than people who disguise an apology in subtle misdirection of blame so they don't have to take responsibility for their actions.

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