Are police officer actions with citizens 'private conversations'?

Interesting article in recent news, somewhat local to the Washington, DC area but really worth discussing on a national stage since it seems that the laws on the issue vary from state to state.

Traffic stop video on YouTube sparks debate on police use of Md. wiretap laws

The quick summary of the story, a guy on a motorcycle is stopped by the police for speeding and reckless riding.  He had a habit of wearing a helmet camera and recording his adventures so the camera caught the interaction with the police officer.  He cooperated with the officer at the time of the stop and then later posted the video of the event on YouTube.  Maryland, where the stop occured, has a law the precludes recording audio conversations - NOT VIDEO, only audio - unless both parties have agreed to the recording with the caveat being that the law only applies where there would be a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Apparently the police officers and/or prosecutors that are going after people that have made such recordings in the past, for example taking cell phone video of police making traffic stops and such, are arguing that their interactions with citizens that they are dealing with are all private conversations so they would, in effect, never be able to be recorded, at least not with any audio being captured.

Personally I think that's a load of bunk.  When an officer is on duty and/or acting in an official capacity they are serving the public and their actions should be public record -- unless they are operating in an undercover capacity.  If they are pulling over someone for a traffic stop, or if they're dealing with the public in a crowd control capacity (for example, the incident at University of Maryland a few months back) then they should have no expectation of privacy and there shouldn't be any problem with any individual capturing their image and voice.

As noted in the article that is linked at the headline, the officers themselves typically are being recorded by cameras and equipment that is on-board in their cruisers.  The public doesn't typically have ready or easy access to those recordings, but they are being made and the officers know that to be the case.  Also noted in the article is that officers have been repeatedly instructed to behave as if their actions are being recorded (so they act with restraint and don't do something that might result in bringing shame and dishonor on themselves or the departments they work for, or worse yet doing something that violates someone's civil rights and results in a very expensive judgement against themselves and the department they work for).  To me that is a sure sign that police officers shouldn't expect that their interactions with the public are private.

What say you?

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Oh, tough one!  From the officer side, I can see where it would be classified public.  However, if you are mistakenly stopped (you look like John Wayne Gacy), and there are some tense moments, do you really want that to be classified as public?  Such that in all rights, the officer could post it on his Web site.

Maryland seems to be alone in its schizophrenic approach to this stuff.  In most states (California, Virginia are 2 I am familiar with), if you are out in public, you have no expectation of privacy (which means a traffic stop can be recorded by anyone and everyone - audio and video).  And the law being Audio only is also schizophrenic since a good video would allow a lip reader to determine the audio in any case.

I hate to think that my picture is going to be plastered on the 6 o'clock news because of a mistake, but then who knows who saw me on the side of the road when I was stopped anyway (my first speeding ticket was on the way to work and after I got there, I had several people ask me did I get a ticket).  So I think Maryland's law is outdated and needs to be better written.  And so let the guy have his YouTube video.  I think any conviction will fail on appeal in any event.

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The justification of law enforcement using onboard cameras include the concept that there is no assuption of privacy in a public place.  I don't see why it should't go both ways.