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Back in Windows 7, Familiar Territory

Back in Windows 7, Familiar Territory

 

Hey, it feels great to be back in Windows 7, after the disastrous adventure of messing around with Linux Mint Cinnamon 16. Ever hear of a system crash called FALLBACK MODE, and it's a loop, and you cannot seem to fix it or stop it or get out of it? Maybe I shouldn't have tried to install a cursor into the users/share/icons folder with elevated privileges.............. is it possible that Linux is overrated? Or am I in the wrong, and I did something I shouldn't?

oh well. It is what it is. Don't know if I will ever go back to Linux. Or if I do, just for Web Browsing.............

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Reply #26 Top

Quoting Phoon, reply 25
No it is NOT "free". It is bundled in to the cost of the system. You just don't see the broken out cost. You can't just go out and buy OS X and expect to install it on any PC either. As much as I love my Mac I'm not going to glorify Apple by misinforming others and telling them that the OS is absolutely FREE.
End of Phoon's quote

You completely misunderstood my post. Go back and read it again. I said when you buy a Mac, you get OSX. If you want to upgrade to the next version of OSX Apple gives that away for free. And I would think everyone knows you can't install OSX on a PC right out the box. It can be done, but it takes time and setting up the PC in a certain way with certain software. Google Hackintosh, you can see it done there.

https://www.apple.com/osx/

Notice on that page it says you can upgrade for free... :annoyed:

Reply #27 Top

yes, I know Maverick's is a free upgrade.

Quoting kona0197, reply 26
You completely misunderstood my post. Go back and read it again.
End of kona0197's quote

I did read your post, and I read it again... here is exactly what you said...

Apple gives away OSX for free. You get OSX when you purchase an Apple computer, but new versions of OSX are free when upgrading.
End of quote
So let's stop the back peddling right now shall we!


You said it is FREE (when you purchase a computer) and new versions are free when upgrading. Yes, even Apple's info leads one to believe it is free. But one cannot walk in to a mac store and say hey...!!! Lemme have some of that Free OS X !!

My point is, let's not mislead the masses any more by telling them that OS X is Free. You are smart enough ( I would hope ) to realize that however it is disguised, it is not free and is bundled in to the cost of the hardware that you must buy if you wish to run it. It is nice that they upgrade you for free, but I doubt that when OS X v11 comes to being that it will be a free upgrade.

Reply #28 Top

You are just splitting hairs as usual. You know I meant that upgrades are free AFTER you purchase a Mac. Perhaps I worded it wrong. Oh and for your info...

https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/10/23OS-X-Mavericks-Available-Today-Free-from-the-Mac-App-Store.html

Here's the part I like:

“We want every Mac user to experience the latest features, the most advanced technologies, and the strongest security. We believe the best way to do this is to begin a new era of personal computing software where OS upgrades are free.”

Reply #30 Top

Kona...it's not 'splitting hairs'....Phoon is entirely correct....the purchase price of OSX is included in the System purchase price.  Possibly [most likely] the reason Apple computers are a PREMIUM when compared with PCs is the fact the price is LOADED to cover those 'free' upgrades.

NOTHING is ever truly 'free'....;p

Reply #31 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 28
You are just splitting hairs as usual.
End of kona0197's quote

No Kona, I am not. I'm pointing out your typical double talk (again).

Quoting kona0197, reply 28
Oh and for your info...

End of kona0197's quote
">https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/10/23OS-X-Mavericks-Available-Today-Free-from-the-Mac-App-Store.html[/quote]

No need for that either. I do this shit for a living Sir, and have been around the block for a long time with it.

Reply #32 Top

Well it wasn't meant to be double talk. I meant after yo buy a Mac, you get upgrades for free. I just typed it out wrong. Sorry.

Reply #33 Top

Kona, I will be happy to talk Mac with you, but please.. lets either start a new thread or drop it here in this one okay? :)

I have no doubt that you can enlighten me to several aspects of the Mac world that I do not know yet.

Life is way too short for pissing contests...

Reply #35 Top

If there is one Apple Mac machine that does have me intrigued, it's this one.... the Apple Mac Pro

However, at 4 grand for the quad core, and $5299 for the 6 core/dual GPU, they're well out of my price range... unless I save like buggery for the next 5 or 6 years while I live on baked beans on toast and live in the dark. But yeah, me thinks it'd be nice to have one. It's sleek, polished and aesthetically pleasing to the eye, besides being quite an impressive machine under the hood.

Yes, it might seem like a backflip on my previous comments regarding Apple, but the thing here is, these machines are wholly built in the US, and that sits better with me than being manufactured in China, where Apple exploits Chinese workers so badly it had was required to put up nets to prevent worker suicides, not that's it's particularly relevant to me at this time. While one would look nice on my desk, it's more a pipe dream at this time than anything else.

Anyway, I'll return you to the regular Linux channel while I dream a little longer.  :moon:

Reply #36 Top

All of which is why I said W9 should be free...because it'll be the update that fixed 8/8.1.

Also because of Apple's Update policy.

 

In the meantime though, MS seems to have gotten it wrong (yet again):

http://www.ghacks.net/2014/03/05/free-windows-8-upgrades-microsoft-gets-wrong/?_m=3n.0038.1175.hj0ao01hy5.17vc

 

 

Reply #37 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 36
All of which is why I said W9 should be free...because it'll be the update that fixed 8/8.1.

Also because of Apple's Update policy.
End of DrJBHL's quote

While I would not complain if MS delivered Win 9 for free, I don't know that it will Follow Apple's lead and offer 'free' OSes.  For one, Microsoft does not have it's own hardware platform on which to deliver it, unlike Apple, and therefore has nowhere to hide the added cost.  It could perhaps be done with Surface, given that's MS' own platform, but there would have to be some kind of a deal with the OEMs to help absorb the cost in the desktop environment, if 'given away for free'.

Now Apple might have thought it was being sneaky by announcing "free" OS updates, but I saw the price of a Mac Mini here jump by $200 not long thereafter.  Of course it is included in the price of the hardware, and people buying Macs think they're getting a bargain, a free OS, but the truth is, that new hardware all of a sudden became more expensive to buy.  So, OS-X Mavericks is no more free than Win 8 or any other MS OS... though the gullible, plain stupid and Apple fanbois will still rush in and buy themselves a Mac machine... with its not-so-bullshit-free OS.

As for MS getting it wrong, I do agree that making it so for W7 is a massive mistake if MS fails to include XP and Vista in the deal.... but then it would have to be an upgrade to 8.1 at the outset, because to do a piecemeal upgrade to Win 8 would be wrong, given the improvements of 8.1.  However, I'm not so sure MS did too much else wrong... other than being late out of the starting blocks.

When Google and Apple came bursting out of the starting blocks with new and innovative technologies, they set trends and MS was already in catch up mode but didn't yet know it, and with the buying public being such a fickle bunch, that catch up was going to be a lot harder than it first imagined.  The trends for smart phones and portable devices [read iPad, Google powered Tablets] had grown rapidly and were not easily going to be knock off the top of the pecking order.  Hence, when Microsoft released the Surface tablet, which in itself was a good and innovative device, market trends had been set, buyer expectations and needs were pretty much decided, and Microsoft found itself having to pedal twice as fast to make up the ground it had lost.

The thing is, tech history and devices as we know them could be so much different, had MS released Surface and the W8 Phone first.  Instead we'd all be using those devices as a matter of course, and Apple would be playing catch up.... because market trends would have been established and iThis and iThat wouldn't be selling half as well.  More to the point, the OS that bridges 3 platforms and connects instinctively them would have been more warmly received.  It's not that there is anything wrong with it so much, but rather that the buying public had already been conditioned by Apple hype and Google's... well Googl'es being into every feching thing except refuse and sewage disposal... though give 'em time, and your crap will be its business.

Reply #38 Top

Starkers you are a funny person. You think Windows 8.1 is an improvement. ^_^

Reply #39 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 38

Starkers you are a funny person. You think Windows 8.1 is an improvement.
End of kona0197's quote

Yup, having used Win 8 first, I do see an improvement in 8.1, though not for the start button they added or anything like that.  However, IF I go into Metro to check the store for updates to apps I do happen to like, which isn't that often, it is fresher, snappier and more pleasant to use, with a more customisable interface and tiles, etc.

Thing is, as I've told you before, I use Win 8.1 exactly the same way as I did Win 7, only I have the added benefits of greater speed and stability which only Win 8 provides.  Yes, I know your 10 y/o machine runs slower with Win 8, but that's because Win 8 was designed to best utilise hardware less than 5 years old... multi-threading, multi-core CPUs whose architecture was designed in conjunction with MS to extract the maximum speeds without overclocking, tweaking, etc  Simply put, your PC was not designed to run Win 8 at the optimum level, and thus you are not going to be happy with it until your hardware matches that which was designed for it.

I get why you don't like Win 8 so much, it's understandable given your experience on that hardware, but really, it's a whole lot better than you think... on the right equipment.  Just cos other people say it's no good, don't make it so

|-)

 

Reply #40 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 39


Quoting kona0197, reply 38
  Just cos other people say it's no good, don't make it so



 
End of starkers's quote

Agreed!

 

Reply #41 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 38

Starkers you are a funny person. You think Windows 8.1 is an improvement.
End of kona0197's quote

How long have you used Windows 8 and 8.1 again?

 

Reply #42 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 35
It's sleek, polished and aesthetically pleasing to the eye
End of starkers's quote

It looks like a trash can or giant ashtray }:)

Reply #43 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 39
Thing is, as I've told you before, I use Win 8.1 exactly the same way as I did Win 7, only I have the added benefits of greater speed and stability which only Win 8 provides. Yes, I know your 10 y/o machine runs slower with Win 8, but that's because Win 8 was designed to best utilise hardware less than 5 years old... multi-threading, multi-core CPUs whose architecture was designed in conjunction with MS to extract the maximum speeds without overclocking, tweaking, etc Simply put, your PC was not designed to run Win 8 at the optimum level, and thus you are not going to be happy with it until your hardware matches that which was designed for it.
End of starkers's quote

So Windows 8 wasn't designed to work on a dual core CPU with mutlti-threads? Interesting. And why is it professionals with the best hardware say Windows 8 is crap? Why are people avoiding Windows 8?

Quoting Island, reply 41
How long have you used Windows 8 and 8.1 again?
End of Island's quote

I used Windows 8 for about a week before realizing it ran slower, even with updates, on my machine so I went back to 7 naturally, as many here have done as well. However, I have used Windows 8 many times, and at length, on other computers I repair. Make fun of me if you wish, I care not.

Reply #44 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 39
and stability which only Win 8 provides
End of starkers's quote

Haven't seen any fewer crashes with 8 or 8.1 than with 7.

Reply #45 Top

I have yet to have Windows 7 crash on me for the first time.

Reply #46 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 43
So Windows 8 wasn't designed to work on a dual core CPU with mutlti-threads?
End of kona0197's quote

Windows 7 system requirements

If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes:

 

1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
 

Windows 8.1

If you want to run Windows 8.1 on your PC, here's what it takes:

  • Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with support for PAE, NX, and SSE2
     

Reply #47 Top

Well that explains a few things. Thanks Phoon. :)

Reply #48 Top

Ironically Kona, it should have failed to install at all if those requirements aren't there.

Reply #49 Top

Windows 8 installed just fine, ait just ran slow. I haven't tried 8.1 yet.

Reply #50 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 43
Make fun of me if you wish, I care not.
End of kona0197's quote

Nobody is making fun of you.  I just don't believe you have any vast experience with Windows 8 to properly judge it.