I just wish there was a Pacific northwest team(USA) I
could join.

Someone should make one

Why don't you chaps just form a 'G.R.O.S.S. USA Empire' and have done with it. Next it will be the Allegheny Plateau Empire or The Adirondack Mountains Empire.

(My relationship to the real Copernicus? Apart from deriving at least 50% of my genetic heritage from That-Country-That-Keeps-Getting-Conquered, I have no clue. I think he was a pretty cool guy, though -- he had both the mental ability to see past the Ptolemaic ordering of the heavens and come up with a much more mathematically feasable theory, and the cojones to publish that theory in the face of the Church and all its dogma. In my book, you can't do much better than that.)



Hate to disappoint you Copernicus, but he did indeed recant. So though he had a wizz bang theory, his cajones weren't all that sizable.

PontiusBruinPilot: I think you're thinking of Galileo, who espoused the ideas of Copernicus and who was tortured into recanting those beliefs by the Church. Copernicus himself published his ideas late in life, and didn't live to see very much of the uproar they started...

Actually it was Copernicus. He did recant. Much of his work was published posthumanously at his request. Guess he had the "last laugh" after all.

PontiusBruinPilot-

No....no lightrail up this way, and I dont see that happening for a while. This state has got a $35 billion deficit (over 1/3 of the general fund), and alot of projects are on hold. I-80 does lock up near Douglas pretty badly and yeah Douglas is built out. Hard to believe it was just farmland not long ago. Especially with the amount of stuff there now. Actually the frighteningly tight traffic is down in Folsom because of the Folsom Dam Rd being closed. Watt Ave and Sunrise are battlezones during rush hour because everyone is trying to cross the American River.

I myself am lucky because I live less than a mile from where I work, so I can walk to work. I don't know too many other software engineers with that luxury. So I dont ever have to worry about a commute. Now the big talk is that Lincoln, Rocklin and Roseville are all going to converge in one huge metro area with no greenbelt between them (or yellow belt, depending on the time of year)

Way too small of a world...

SeanB

Let me add that having lived in Denver for 7 years, they have a DRY heat. Sacramento's is only about 20 to 30%. Denver is about 8 percent !!!! Had problems shocking myself on my car because of that.

Now if you want that Tule fog, try driving toward Stockton or further south toward LA. Good god that was some crazy fog. All that being said, I'll take Sacramento's or Denver's dry heat over Ohio's muggy weather any day.

I get it now. All the areas you guys describe are 'not too bad'. A $35b deficit is about the entire budget of Australia.

PontiusBruinPilot: I take it back, it looks like Galileo never did recant (my memory is failing me). You can get some info on the lives of Copernicus and Galileo pretty easily on the net, such as this one from a quick Google search for "Copernicus":

http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Copernicus.html

FYI, a quick timeline:

o Feb 19, 1473 - Nicolaus Copernicus born in Torun, Poland
o 1514 - Copernicus distributes the "Little Commentary" to collegues, describing his ideas. Although he is working on a larger thesis, many years pass before it is completed.
o 1541 - Copernicus' "De revolutionibus orbium coelestium" finally finshed.
o 1543 - "De revolutionibus" published.
o May 24, 1543 - Copernicus dies
o Feb 15, 1564 - Galileo Galilei born in Pisa (Italy)
o 1613 - Galileo publicly states support for Copernicanism
o 1616 - Galileo pens a letter that supports Copernicanism, the Inquisition holds a hearing, and forbids Galileo from holding this view
o 1632 - Galileo publishes "Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief Systems of the World - Ptolemaic and Copernican", supporting Copernicus
o 1633 - The Church bans the book, finds Galileo guilty, brands him a heretic, and sentences him to imprisonment (which is not really carried out).
o Jan 8, 1642 - Galileo dies (he wasn't tortured, and he didn't recant, I don't know where I got those ideas -- but as you can probably tell, I'm not a big supporter of the Church...)

And now, back to our irregularly scheduled gaming.

Be nether, be a Sun God!

#57 by Veteran forceinfinity - 5/18/2003 4:02:53 PM

Let me add that having lived in Denver for 7 years, they have a DRY heat. Sacramento's is only about 20 to 30%. Denver is about 8 percent !!!! Had problems shocking myself on my car because of that.

Now if you want that Tule fog, try driving toward Stockton or further south toward LA. Good god that was some crazy fog. All that being said, I'll take Sacramento's or Denver's dry heat over Ohio's muggy weather any day.


For Tule Fog, Tulare, Mac Farland, Merced, Madera, and those lower San Joquin Valley towns can really get socked. HEHE.

I'm with ya on that muggyness. At least with a dry heat, your clothes stay dry. With the muggyness, 5 minutes after you pull your laundry out of the dryer, you may as well put it back in.

the amount of stuff there now. Actually the frighteningly tight traffic is down in Folsom because of the Folsom Dam Rd being closed. Watt Ave and Sunrise are battlezones during rush hour because everyone is trying to cross the American River.


Oh my!! Why'd they close the road over the dam.?

And I believe all that land out on douglas was all part of the Johnson Ranch but don't hold me to it. Douglas Sierra College blvd, Rocklin road, and i-80 that whole square area bordered by those roads except for that little part on douglas near sunrise all pasture. Atlantic street didn't connect to taylor road. All those car dealers weren't there (they were all on Riverside Ave) And hwy 65 connected through downtown roseville. That bypass they have now and the mall and all that all built after I left.

Wish I were back. I loved it out there. Although I probably would like it less now that it's an urban instead of a rural suburb.



Sunrise, Watt, Howe, and Hazel are the only one's to cross it going n-s. J/Fairoaks and Greenback cross it but one's downtown and the other's in folsom. Which was just a teeny tiny thing of a town when I was there. Bet it's exploded.

As to Ca's budget, there isn't much they can do. Can't raise property taxes due to prop's 13/4. Can't cut k-12 education due to another proposition. Can't cut medi-care/Cal due to Federal mandtates. The Feds have cut grants in aid to the state all the while increasing mandatory spending programs. Isn't it so nice to bankrupt the states by requiring them to spend without giving them the means to pay for it? Yeah baby.

The result ends up being that a miniscule chunk of the entire state budget is actually discretionary. And that is higher ed which will likely take a big cut...
You could go Juco for 2 years at $50 per sem then go to CSU for $400 when I went or UC for 1100 when I was out there. Hate to see tuition costs now. HEHEHE.


But that's it. I'm gonna take a trip out there and do the wine country and coast again. Maybe Yosemite if there is time.



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I get it now. All the areas you guys describe are 'not too bad'. A $35b deficit is about the entire budget of Australia.

So that's where all the money is going!!!

o Jan 8, 1642 - Galileo dies (he wasn't tortured, and he didn't recant, I don't know where I got those ideas -- but as you can probably tell, I'm not a big supporter of the Church...)


Well we would grant you an indulgence for say uhhhhh. And well we'll just hit your offspring up for a donation to get you out of purgatory after you pass on.

Packer, I lived a year in Oz. In the moment, I don't intend to join you but as a friend I wish your empire all the luck! Stay fair dinkum!

Aussie, Aussie, Aussie...

~SDC~

Sigh, another victim to Midwest brainwashing

Vridian #64: Thanks! You can call me Chris by-the-way. On this board I'm stuck with my stupid real name (rather than a really cool nickname) because I am too afraid (and computer illiterate) to try to change it. You know that your former residence gives you automatic joining rights to the ANZACs. (I can't quite understand why you left Oz, once having visited here, as noone-else seems to). Just imagine the conversation starter it will be to tell your Euro mates that you are an ANZAC! But well done on your Rheinland Empire, and lots of luck!

Rob#65: Know what you mean. Though, I keep getting the various US regions mixed up. Is there a mid-East, or a mid-North, or a South East etc ? Probably the Adirondack Mountains Empire will take in the Upper Mid North East quite handily.

Chris #65: Actually, it's quite easy to distinguish the various US regions, if you think about it in a Euro-centric point of view. Back when the land rush started here in the Western Hemisphere, the first colonies were established (on the, ahem, East coast) and immediately began expanding westward. They took the western passes over the mountains into the Western Territories, through the Western plains and deserts and finally reached the West Coast.

So in the U.S., a thin strip of land touching the Atlantic Ocean is considered East, and everything else is West! We're Midwest because we really are in the Middle of the West.