We need to remember , not to let the horror ever happen again.

Thank you, Adam, for this post..

Let us remember not only the millions that died during World War II, but the slaughtered innocents of Rwanda, the victims of rape in the modern-day Sudan, those who lie in mass graves in Iraq, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia....all the victims of senseless violence and genocide.

A moment of silence for them all.

A moment of silence for them all.

I'd rather hear humanity SCREAM OUT in unison.... NEVER AGAIN!

Too late.  Most of the people of today have forgotten already.  A very sad shame.

Too late. Most of the people of today have forgotten already.

Looks like only the Queens grandchildren forgot.... but just in case...some of us will keep the memories alive.

The memories are written in stone. In the digital age those are multiplied thousands and millions of times. I do not feer those will be lost, what I fear though is that with the last breath of the last witness the twisting will become more frequent and more aparent and there will be no one who were there to stand infront of a weasel like the unfamous Mark Weber and confront and ashame him.

Looks like only the Queens grandchildren forgot

The following was not written by any of the Queen's offspring.

Do you think Israel's behaviour is acceptable? Keeping the Palestinians in the giant concentration camps of Gaza and the West Bank, killing them, torturing them, treating them like dogs?

They [sic Palestinians] live with the constant threat of being killed, interned or being tortured. This was how the Holocaust started. I don't want to see another Holocaust.

thank you adam..... I for one jew keep my weapons hot and ready

Never again!!!!!!!!!!!!

btw as a side note: out of 22 muslim nations in the U.N. only jordan came to this event, the other 21 boycotted it.

btw as a side note: out of 22 muslim nations in the U.N. only jordan came to this event, the other 21 boycotted it.

Even Egypt?  They seemed to be moderating since Camp David (altho not the whackos of course).  What about Turkey?  It is a shame.  It can happen again, but next time it may be Muslims, not Jews.

I don't have enough "insightfuls" to give you as many as you deserve for bringing this reminder to our attention. Well stated, Adam.

Dr. Guy, you are entilted to your opinion, of course. But frankly, I am at a loss about what point you were making (or trying to make) with the last two posts. But let me suggest some things:

The conditions in the Palestine areas are not good. Unemployment is rampant, as is poverty. Violence is a part of everyday life there. But there are no gas chambers, no crematoria. You will find no mass graves.

Eleven million people died in the camps during World War II. Six million were Jews. The gypsy population of Europe was decimated, with an estimated two million deaths. The other three million that died were Poles, Slavs, Catholics, homosexuals and political dissidents. They were gassed, shot, starved or worked to death. I regret to say that this was not the worst that the world has seen.

An estimate of deaths in Russia under Josef Stalin totals 43,000,000. Recently, a previously undiscovered mass grave was found near St. Petersburg, containing 30,000 bodies. Pravda: http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/23/37060.html The mind cannot conceive the atrocity. Before his death, Stalin had ordered the construction of four new camps, to exterminate the remaining Jewish population of Russia, estimated at 2.5 million.

People that compare the current situatiion in the Middle East to the Holocaust (and again, I am not sure that this was your intention) simply do not understand what happened in the past.

Larry Kuperman

I'm pretty sure Docs intentions were to show that the anti semitic sentiments are still out there.

Ah, you are probably right. I was uncertain as to what the quotes, taken out of context, might mean. If so, then my reply is to the ones being quoted, not the one doing the quote.

Today is the day for rememberence. Peace.

Eleven million people died in the camps during World War II. Six million were Jews. The gypsy population of Europe was decimated, with an estimated two million deaths. The other three million that died were Poles, Slavs, Catholics,

Larry, thank you.  First, on the above quote, Catholics as a group were not singled out for the death camps as Hitler was one.  They had to belong to another group (slavs or Poles) before they were sent there.

Second, I was not comparing the Holocaust to the Middle east.  I was showing Manopeace that some seem to forget the holocaust when they compare it to the Middle East.  Sorry my Point was so poorly written.

I'm pretty sure Docs intentions were to show that the anti semitic sentiments are still out there.

Thank you Mano. But it was actually to show that some have forgotten the horrors of the holocaust when they use the term and other charged ones to describe what is happening in some parts of the world today. The power of the Holocaust whould never be forgotten or trivialized lest we forget.

Doc...I knoe you well enough to know there was no harm meant in your quotes... i agree with you 100% about some forgeting the holocaust...you can see in my last thread that Israelis as well seem to have forgotten.

I don't think that Larry Kuperman is right when he said there is a fundamental difference between what happened in nazi Germany and what happens today in Palestine. Between the two there exists a quantitative difference and not a difference of principle. In both cases it is the same principle at work: the idea of nationalism, i.e. the idea that you can hold someone (some individual) "responsable" for something his ethnic group (or any other kind of group) supposedly did. In both, cases nazi germans and today's nationalistic israelis were and are judging and condamning some individuals (individual jews in one case, individual palestinians in the other) for something blamed on the entire group.
The reason why nazi Germany gased the jews while the nationalistic Israel isn't gasing the palestinians is that nazi Germany had the power to do it, while today's Israel does not have such power. If Israel would start gasing palestinians US would stop supporting and selling arms to Israel - this is the main reason why Israel isn't more harsh on the palestinians, it is as harsh as it manages to get away with.
So, in my opinion, what truly conts are not the numbers, but the guiding principle (there were less gypsys murdered by the nazis then jews - this doesn't make the death of a gypsy less important that the death of a jew - it is the same principle at work). And the lesson of the Holocaust is a lesson about the consequences of the nationalistic principle. And, unfortunatly for the palestinians and for the entire Middle East, nor Israel nor the arabs seem to have learned this lesson.
[In case anyone gets offended by my reply, I want to be clear that my point isn't at all an anti-semitic point, it is a liberal and genarally anti-nationalistic point. I don't have anything against any particular jew, I am against Israel's policy exactly because it is a nationalistic (fascist) policy (although on many points I am more in favor of Israel than in favor of the palestinian authorities - e.g. I don't think that the dismantling of settlements is a right thing to do - this policy is also determined by nationalistic reasons - palestinian nationalism this time).]

Genocide is defined as: : the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group. The point is often debated in scholarly and legalistic circles as to what defines or constitutes "deliberate" and "systematic." However, I think most people can agree that what is going on in Israel - Palestine (or Palestine - Israel) is sad and in many ways fits the description or category of a crime against humanity.
That said, no one can force Israel to sign the world court agreement (they haven't, nor has the U.S.), but Americans could go a long way towards stopping the violence if we decided to stop giving Israel 4 Billion dollars a year in military aid via the Pentagon.
Israel, Turkey and Columbia are the largest recipients of U.S. military aid. All three have participated in the systematic killing of various groups (Palestenians, Kurds and leftists). I can't think of a more fitting way to honor the memory of the victims of genocide than stopping our own state sponsored killings. Regardless of who pulls the trigger, if we (i.e. the U.S. ) fund it, we're equally responsible for those deaths.

Genocide is defined as: : the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group. The point is often debated in scholarly and legalistic circles as to what defines or constitutes "deliberate" and "systematic." However, I think most people can agree that what is going on in Israel - Palestine (or Palestine - Israel) is sad and in many ways fits the description or category of a crime against humanity. That said, no one can force Israel to sign the world court agreement (they haven't, nor has the U.S.), but Americans could go a long way towards stopping the violence if we decided to stop giving Israel 4 Billion dollars a year in military aid via the Pentagon. Israel, Turkey and Columbia are the largest recipients of U.S. military aid. All three have participated in the systematic killing of various groups (Palestenians, Kurds and leftists). I can't think of a more fitting way to honor the memory of the victims of genocide than stopping our own state sponsored killings. Regardless of who pulls the trigger, if we (i.e. the U.S. ) fund it, we're equally responsible for those deaths.

BS.  Get off the kick, and dont try this one again.