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Suggestion: Color Blind Help

Suggestion: Color Blind Help

Yesterday, my fiance was playing GalCiv, and noticed that in the diplomacy screen, the text color of your offer changes from green to yellow, depending on whether the alien race is likely or unlikely to accept your offer. I think this is a great idea, but there's just one problem: I can't tell the difference between the two colors. I didn't notice this feature until it was pointed out to me, and now that I know about it, I still have to ask my fiance to tell me whether the text is yellow or green. I'm color blind, so I'm fairly used to dealing with this sort of thing, but it's kind of frustrating that so few game developers build color blind help into their games. All I'm asking for is for the option to make the two text colors more strikingly different, or to add some other visual cue that isn't color-dependant. Or, if someone could tell me how to mod the colors myself, that would work, too. Anyway, other than that the game is great.
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Reply #26 Top
I would not change any of the colors used right now; you'll help some people but make it worse for others. I'd hold off on any changes until you can simply add a palette option so users can pick whatever text color combinations they want.
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SirBruce,

It would be easy for Stardock (o.k. Cari actually ;)) to provide a modified verdanacolors.fnt file in the library section, so that players could download and use on thier own if they needed to.

No need to modify everyone's game :)

(Personally though I for one would use it! :HOT: )
Reply #27 Top
I guess I should check the treads I post in more frequently ;) Ralegh, Thank you for that excellent Stanford University link, I've found it extremely useful :)
Wow. I honestly didn't expect this many replies. It's definitely good to know that I'm not alone here, though.
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Zelqadas, you're definitely not alone ;) In fact if this post stayed on the front page long enough I think you might be suprised how large it would grow lol.
What's scary is I'm a production manager for a media company and work with graphics and art (layout, design, proofing, etc. etc.) all day long. To make troubles even worse I have to work on dual computers (PC & Mac) and 4 moniters jumping from RGB to CMYK constantly - aye yi yi
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Star Devil Thrull,
I sympathize with you. My colorblindness was discovered during the development of a game. I constantly complained to the team that the values used to determine your chance of success for spellcasting and lockpicking needed adjustment. Eventually one of the team noticed I kept selecting the highest power level for casting, thus my spells would backfire, killing or heavily damaging my party. Since I couldn't distinguish between color shades for high and low power I was selecting in the reverse order heh. Thinking back on it, it's humerous now but wasn't at the time ;) Needless to say the game was altered to be colorblind friendly ;)
I would not change any of the colors used right now; you'll help some people but make it worse for others. I'd hold off on any changes until you can simply add a palette option so users can pick whatever text color combinations they want.
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SirBruce, I would tend to agree with you. It may be best to hold off till a palette option is available. While there are some color choices which are likely to address the majority of people suffering they would not address everyone. By the way, excellent analysis and data presentation of MMOG growth. I see it hasn't been updated in a few months, I hope you will add to it in the future. I referred a few developers to it :) Still, having agreed with SirBruce, Star Devil Thrulls suggestion, below, has merit:
In the interim Cari could I suggest this scheme: Swap yellow and use the red in it's place Swap green and use the yellow in it's place This would be have the net result of using Red for no, Yellow for yes and does not put red and green together (for those who have true color blindness) Red and yellow should be pretty obvious to most everyone
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CariElf, your offer to provide an edited version of the file to address the issue for those of us who wish to download it would be much appreciated but only if it wouldn't detract from your other more important tasks ;) Star Devil Thrulls suggestion of Red and Yellow should work fine as the two colors are quite diametrically opposed. For those interested in the most common troublesome combinations here's a quote (I lost the link): "For some color deficient individuals, the names red, orange, yellow, and green are simply different names for the same color. The same is true for violet, lavender, purple, and blue. Among the colors most often confused are pink/gray, orange/red, white/green, green/brown, blue green/gray, green/yellow, brown/maroon, and beige/green. Pastels and muted tones are difficult to distinguish." Most people who suffer from some degree of color vision deficiency will tend to have trouble with some or all of those combinations either side by side or one on top of the other.
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Reply #28 Top
Sigh,

My apologies for the messy post above..

I wrote the post in html and then cut and pasted it into this forum. I see now that's a no no :notsure:

I attempted to edit it but obviously missed a few things. The option to edit a second time doesn,t seem to exist.

I know Frogboy just gave us all these new posting options but I wonder if we might prevail on him to provide a preview post option ;) Then again I think he's done enough for a while :)